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#76
#76
keckjm said:
Did you watch the game? Just curious. We tried draw plays. We tried delayed running plays. We tried throwing to the RB on screens. We tried throwing to the RB in the flat. We tried bubble screens. We tried getting the ball to the TE, but 90% of the time they couldn't get open. Also, they didn't blitz their CBs at all the first half, not once. They played man up. They got pressure on us with 3 and 4 man rush schemes. Fowler killed us all game. When your o-line can't block it throws a wrench in the play book. You have to leave TEs and RBs back to pick up missed blocks. That puts you at a horrible disadvantage because those TEs and RBs aren't being covered by the defense anymore, thus allowing them to put focus elsewhere. Worley isn't the greatest roll out QB. He tried to extend plays and make things happen. He stood in the pocket and tried to buy time for our WRs to get open. FL secondary is good. It's possibly the best secondary we will play all year. Our WRs couldn't win their match ups and no one was open.

p.s. I'm not trying to give you a hard time man. I understand the fustration. I even question some of the offensive play calls, but you just have to understand how bad of shape our o-line is in. CBJ will do whatever it takes to win here. We are in good hands. If coaching changes need to be made he'll make them in due time.
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I understand you aren't trying to give me a hard time, and I'm not trying to do that to you either. I see what you are saying, but I'm not talking bubble screens 7 yards outside of the tackle near the slot and throwing the ball out in the flat. I'm talking about taking advantage of what Florida was giving us. When your O line is this bad you have to take advantage of the rush they are producing. The way we do that is exactly what we did to Georgia late in the first half last week. We ran two straight draws to Hurd that went for about 50 yards on two plays. How did it go for that much? We took what they gave us and ran it when their DB's and LB's were playing 10 yard off the ball. Same thing with a shovel pass if we had one. Same thing with a middle screen if we had one. Same thing with a tight end slant if we had one. Again, when you have an offensive line that is struggling like we have, you have to create ways to make their pursuit work against them. So far, we haven't done that this year. It's right there for the taking and all we have to do is call the plays.
 
#77
#77
Several years I've been a daily reader, occasional contributor to the forums here on Volnation. One thing I've noticed is some fans can't be pleased and probably are pretty miserable people to live with, some try to keep things in perspective and stay positive, most of us vent our disappointment here then move on and stay hopeful. There are those that are just unreasonable. They know just enough about football to fool themselves into believing they know a lot. They sell used cars, or manage a store or whatever, but somehow believe they have more football knowledge than a man that has done this his whole life, has been successful enough to get himself a position at an SEC school, spends hours each day watching the players, watching film, coaching, teaching...yet somehow they sit here on a Saturday night, with hindsight, and call that coach names and say he should be fired immediately. I'm no coach, but even lil ole me can see when your online struggles to block, your playbook becomes very thin. Our QB panics, and after the beatings he has taken I probably would too. If some of you were held to your own standards at your current job, you probably wouldn't have a job very long. I don't like losing, I hate it. I live 10 miles from Georgia, and 5 from Alabama, and it sucks having to shop with and work with these people. I was disappointed today, we should have won, again a play here or there and we are all singing a different tune now. You with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude wanted Coach Fulmer fired, done. Now, barely into his second season you are already calling for coaching changes...I say this is ignorance. No, I don't want Vol fans settling for mediocrity, but is a little patience too much to ask? Don't run these coaches off before they even get started.
 
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#80
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armchair said:
How about throwing more than 4/5 passes to our best receiver North--a beast--in the game? How about that? How about running your QB a few times, even if he's not a great runner? How about recruiting a QB who can run, if he can't. We can blow smoke up our butts after every game, finding excuses--we still lost. And florida isn't going to underachieve for very long. You HAVE to take advantage of your opportunities and our coaches didn't do that today. It is tough to climb back in this conference, against these foes. Florida is ALWAYS going to have lots of talent. That is why you HAVE to win when games that are there to be won. We choked today. Period.
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You guys are throwing all these ideas out there but fail to realize that we tried nearly all these things. FL secondary is good. They did a great job on our WRs all day. When you can get pressure on the QB by only sending 3-4 guys at him, it gives your defense a huge advantage. We tried RB screen passes, etc. As I stated on the first page of this thread, we lack a small, elusive back that can make huge plays for us when teams blitz. I think we need a mobil as well, I also mentioned this on the first page, and we have two freshman coming that can both run and pass. Jennings is going to play some next year based on his play making ability alone, not to mention he's getting better and better as a QB. Dormady is a very good athlete, and is our QB for the future.

Also, I'm not understanding the CBJ bashing for what he says during interviews? Did you see his interview after the game? He sounded/looked like a very disappointed individual, more so than I have ever seen him look before. He said very nicely that our offense lost us the game, and that FGs aren't acceptable in the redzone. He also praised our defense and Medley. You can't expect him to come out and bash our team. We are young. We need a motivator not a destroyer. We need as much positive energy we can get in this program right now, and CBJ understands the sports psychology of the situation at hand.
 
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#82
#82
SGMVols said:
Yep. This is why we will never get back. We're the new Ole Miss.
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The roster is getting much better. Two top five or top ten classes will make a difference. If Butch isn't the guy the roster is in much better shape. I think we will be alright and Jones ends up being successful here though this game today is a setback.
 
#83
#83
1allvol said:
Several years I've been a daily reader, occasional contributor to the forums here on Volnation. One thing I've noticed is some fans can't be pleased and probably are pretty miserable people to live with, some try to keep things in perspective and stay positive, most of us vent our disappointment here then move on and stay hopeful. There are those that are just unreasonable. They know just enough about football to fool themselves into believing they know a lot. They sell used cars, or manage a store or whatever, but somehow believe they have more football knowledge than a man that has done this his whole life, has been successful enough to get himself a position at an SEC school, spends hours each day watching the players, watching film, coaching, teaching...yet somehow they sit here on a Saturday night, with hindsight, and call that coach names and say he should be fired immediately. I'm no coach, but even lil ole me can see when your online struggles to block, your playbook becomes very thin. Our QB panics, and after the beatings he has taken I probably would too. If some of you were held to your own standards at your current job, you probably wouldn't have a job very long. I don't like losing, I hate it. I live 10 miles from Georgia, and 5 from Alabama, and it sucks having to shop with and work with these people. I was disappointed today, we should have won, again a play here or there and we are all singing a different tune now. You with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude wanted Coach Fulmer fired, done. Now, barely into his second season you are already calling for coaching changes...I say this is ignorance. No, I don't want Vol fans settling for mediocrity, but is a little patience too much to ask? Don't run these coaches off before they even get started.
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And some on here played the game from when they were five on up through college. After college some have went on to coaching and watch film and help scheme for upcoming games on Friday nights in their hometowns. Some can see the obvious problems that need to be addressed and notice the small things that can be improved but yet haven't been in 4 weeks.
 
#84
#84
armchair said:
We don't have a scatback? What is Devrin Young?

This was a Dooley-like loss. A game that was there to be won--and yet we find a way to lose it. That was the hallmark of Dooley. Now Butch is moving into Dooley territory--snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. You think we're the only team that plays freshmen? Always more excuses....
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Well said!! Bring back the fulmer!! And the prostyle!!
 
#86
#86
volzfanupnorth said:
I understand you aren't trying to give me a hard time, and I'm not trying to do that to you either. I see what you are saying, but I'm not talking bubble screens 7 yards outside of the tackle near the slot and throwing the ball out in the flat. I'm talking about taking advantage of what Florida was giving us. When your O line is this bad you have to take advantage of the rush they are producing. The way we do that is exactly what we did to Georgia late in the first half last week. We ran two straight draws to Hurd that went for about 50 yards on two plays. How did it go for that much? We took what they gave us and ran it when their DB's and LB's were playing 10 yard off the ball. Same thing with a shovel pass if we had one. Same thing with a middle screen if we had one. Same thing with a tight end slant if we had one. Again, when you have an offensive line that is struggling like we have, you have to create ways to make their pursuit work against them. So far, we haven't done that this year. It's right there for the taking and all we have to do is call the plays.
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Hurd looked like a freshman today. UGA's defense also couldn't hold the jock strap of FL's today. We were able to do all these things you mentioned against UGA because we were able to throw over the top on UGA. When you have a deep threat you have to respect that as a defense. We didn't have a deep threat today. We tried to get 1 on 1 with North, but FL's CBs did a great job on him. The one thing I will argue for your case is this, I believe Croom/North should get at least 1 attempt at a "go up and get it pass" in endzone when we are 15 yards or closer to the end zone. It should just be a given that we are going to do that, whether it be a fade, corner, or post route. The problem is FL knew we couldn't run on them, so they were taking advantage of the short field in the redone by placing more guys in coverage. The best way to score in the redone on passing plays is through play action to get the safety to bite on the play. You can't set up the play action when you don't have a run threat. I thought PIG did a great job getting open over the center of the field, but Worley needs more time to allow his WRs to get open so he can get them the ball. Worley also didn't help us today. He played very bad. He didn't read the defense well at all, and he missed on some throws he should have made. Rolling Worley out worked well near the end of the game, but his accuracy is not good on the run. PIG made two huge catches for us in the fourth quarter, even when Worley threw a below average ball.
 
#87
#87
6 points...we are 6 points away from being 4-1 and 2-0 in Sec East with a high school football roster. Firing him sounds reasonable...smh.
 
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#88
#88
I will definitely agree with you that Worley didn't play well today. But, I in no way could do any better so I can't say that much. My point is, I believe their are ways to help this struggling O line but I haven't seen it happen. Until they start calling plays that will take advantage of what these Defenses are giving us we will continue to struggle. That's the whole job of the OC. Take what they give you and Florida was in a very giving mood today.
 
#90
#90
OrangeSquid said:
It has quite a bit to do with coaching (which includes play calling), see 2nd highlight of your own words. Our D is just as young with freshmen and using some of the same players that gave up quite a few points last year. We have just as many talented players on offense and more depth in the skills positions on offense. What's the difference? I think you answered it, DC is doing his job, and IMHO; the OC is NOT.
Defense was stellar IMO. Actually, I think we threatened at least 3-4 times, but; only came away with 9 points. That will not get it.
Yep, our defense is young and it doesn't seem to be an issue.
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My point I was trying to get at on the comment about coaching was that just because FL has been underachieving, it doesn't mean they don't have talent. So many people look at FL's recent struggles and instantly think they suck, but in reality they have had terrible injuries and to much change within their offensive game plan due to coaching changes. Look at how big a difference it's made on our defense by having the same coaches for two years. I'm not stupid, and I wasn't trying to come across as saying coaching never matters, but today's loss had little to do with FL's coaches or our own coaches. They owned us at the line of scrimmage. When you have superior talent on the lines then you have a huge advantage. We do have talent on offense, but it's been overhyped by many on here. Josh has dropped some balls this year that have hurt us. Hurd is good, but he can't do it alone. Young and Lane are below average RBs. North is great. Pearson looks to be the real deal, but he's been hurt. We have the worst o-line in the SEC, and our two best TEs are freshman who struggle blocking at times. The problem lies with the talent disparity between our offensive line and their D-line, and that cost us this game.
 
#92
#92
oregonvol said:
Is it possible to be "a real coach" and still not be good enough to compete at this level? Because that is what I see. I agree, he isn't the joke that Dooley was or the daddy's boy Kiffin was. There are good coaches out there who just aren't up to coaching in the SEC. Jones looks like one of them.
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Go somewhere else with your tiny little one trac mind that can't comprehend what it means to rebuild. "I'm so tired of these excuses, sniff sniff". My god! How irrational can some people be. I'm sorry, dude but you are a Whiney little b•tch that let your whiney little ***** panties get to far into your whiney little b•tch crack. You're gonna get Butch slapped.
 
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#93
#93
1allvol said:
Several years I've been a daily reader, occasional contributor to the forums here on Volnation. One thing I've noticed is some fans can't be pleased and probably are pretty miserable people to live with, some try to keep things in perspective and stay positive, most of us vent our disappointment here then move on and stay hopeful. There are those that are just unreasonable. They know just enough about football to fool themselves into believing they know a lot. They sell used cars, or manage a store or whatever, but somehow believe they have more football knowledge than a man that has done this his whole life, has been successful enough to get himself a position at an SEC school, spends hours each day watching the players, watching film, coaching, teaching...yet somehow they sit here on a Saturday night, with hindsight, and call that coach names and say he should be fired immediately. I'm no coach, but even lil ole me can see when your online struggles to block, your playbook becomes very thin. Our QB panics, and after the beatings he has taken I probably would too. If some of you were held to your own standards at your current job, you probably wouldn't have a job very long. I don't like losing, I hate it. I live 10 miles from Georgia, and 5 from Alabama, and it sucks having to shop with and work with these people. I was disappointed today, we should have won, again a play here or there and we are all singing a different tune now. You with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude wanted Coach Fulmer fired, done. Now, barely into his second season you are already calling for coaching changes...I say this is ignorance. No, I don't want Vol fans settling for mediocrity, but is a little patience too much to ask? Don't run these coaches off before they even get started.
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Nice to hear a little common sense.
 
#94
#94
Smoked Cheddar said:
Let's fire our assist. coaches. They surely do not have anything to do with the recruits we are getting.
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Seriously.

Reminds me of majors when we alternated good/bad seasons due to assistant coaches that got fired.

Killed recruiting every other year.
 
#96
#96
1allvol said:
Several years I've been a daily reader, occasional contributor to the forums here on Volnation. One thing I've noticed is some fans can't be pleased and probably are pretty miserable people to live with, some try to keep things in perspective and stay positive, most of us vent our disappointment here then move on and stay hopeful. There are those that are just unreasonable. They know just enough about football to fool themselves into believing they know a lot. They sell used cars, or manage a store or whatever, but somehow believe they have more football knowledge than a man that has done this his whole life, has been successful enough to get himself a position at an SEC school, spends hours each day watching the players, watching film, coaching, teaching...yet somehow they sit here on a Saturday night, with hindsight, and call that coach names and say he should be fired immediately. I'm no coach, but even lil ole me can see when your online struggles to block, your playbook becomes very thin. Our QB panics, and after the beatings he has taken I probably would too. If some of you were held to your own standards at your current job, you probably wouldn't have a job very long. I don't like losing, I hate it. I live 10 miles from Georgia, and 5 from Alabama, and it sucks having to shop with and work with these people. I was disappointed today, we should have won, again a play here or there and we are all singing a different tune now. You with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude wanted Coach Fulmer fired, done. Now, barely into his second season you are already calling for coaching changes...I say this is ignorance. No, I don't want Vol fans settling for mediocrity, but is a little patience too much to ask? Don't run these coaches off before they even get started.
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Good post :good!:
 
#98
#98
SOUTHGAVOL said:
My 12 year old kid, who play middle school football himself said it best.

"Daddy, makes no sense in you blaming the OC and the O-line. You need to open your eyes. Its like if we took our 8th grade O-line and stuck them on the high school team and asked them to block high school seniors! Its gonna be alright! Just think how good these guys are gonna be when they are juniors and seniors and have had the same coaches for the duration of their college careers! We haven't been able to say that in a while!".

No one can put it into a better perspective than that and that my fellow VolNation is from a 12 year old kid who loves football and his VOLS as much as his daddy! Thanks son! Go VOLS!!!!!!
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My 12 year old needs to twitter and snap chat yours,,, tears falling"dad are we gonna suck my whole life?What are they thinking handing the ball off on the 1 yard line with that crappy line..(as he is roundin up his UT gear to throw in the garbage.)It makes me feel bad to see him cry because after all I raised him to be A Vol.....Monday he is already scared of his lil a$$ friends bustin his ba11$...But on the other hand even he can see how mych better we are under thiss staff..To actually being in the games til the end and only losing cause we beat ourselves...Better than comin out after half and layin down like we were...
 
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#99
#99
keckjm said:
CBJ is the first real coach we have had since Fulmer. You bunch of losers/cry babies need to STFU with the CBJ can't coach/he's about to be on the hot seat/the honey moon is over. What did you guys expect to happen when we start two freshman on the o-line? Yea, I'm concerned about Mahoney's ability to recruit top o-lineman and then coach them up, but I'm also fully aware he didn't get us into the mess we are in roster wise. Yea, Mike Baj. makes some questionable calls, but I'm also not in the press box seeing what he sees. Two years from now all you guys can b**** all you want if our o-line isn't fixed, and big plays aren't being made on offense, especially in the redzone.





Try to be a little more pragmatic here. So many of you guys can't take the orange glasses off. I've been going to games since I was a kid. I was blessed to have a best friend whose parents were donors at UT and had season tickets year in and year out. I bleed orange just like everyone else here. I get piss## off too when we lose like we did today, but I also understand the talent isn't there yet. FL sucks because they are poorly coached. They have stack loads of talent. Their defensive line is unreal, and they have 2 five star CBs starting. Their LT was the number 1 LT prospect coming out of high school. Wake up guys. We don't have the talent to match that. Hurd isn't a miracle worker. Malone isn't a miracle worker. Barnett isn't a miracle worker. We have loads of great young talent, but we don't have any depth. We don't have a scat back that can make huge plays for us in the flat when teams blitz. We don't have an o-line worth a crap. Our two best TEs on our team are freshman and are still learning blocking schemes, etc. Everyone needs to take off their panties, put your big boy boxers back on, and get back on the orange train. We MUST pack Neyland every game. Every game matters! We need to win six games, and our team can't do that without all of us supporting them.
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Kind a funny how other programs turn it around so fast (Kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn, MISS schools).....:eek:hmy:

And which 4 more games do you think we can win? I don't see it......:eek:hmy:
 
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