A quick question....

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GAVol said:
So all the games should effectively be a scrimmage...
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Maybe I should have worried it different. I guess I should have said that we should give the players something to play for in practice. Maybe if everyone has the same goal then it would be different. Obviously, we want to believe that they all have the same goal but it just seems like some people are just too comfortable in their roles. I like Poole and Creer really well, but they haven't got enough touches.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not saying they aren't out there, but when the only way to prove yourself is practice and not on the field on gameday, then what do these players play for?? Practice time?? That has really panned out for Crompton.
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I think it's fairly obvious that the real motive behind this thread is you questioning Crompton's security in the QB position. While he probably should have been pulled earlier, the idea hat the QB position of a college football team should be in a constantly liquid state is completely insane.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I actually have never been in that debate, but I might be imagining it.

I feel like at the RB, WR and LB spots he just will not start them.
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I agree at Linebacker, but aside from D-line and O-line, that's probably the position that the fewest Freshman are physically ready for IMO.

I'd say we have played a pretty good number of Freshmen RBs and WRs.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Maybe I should have worried it different. I guess I should have said that we should give the players something to play for in practice. Maybe if everyone has the same goal then it would be different. Obviously, we want to believe that they all have the same goal but it just seems like some people are just too comfortable in their roles. I like Poole and Creer really well, but they haven't got enough touches.
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Aren't you basically saying that you think you are a better talent evaluator than the coaches that see them in practice everyday?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Maybe I should have worried it different. I guess I should have said that we should give the players something to play for in practice. Maybe if everyone has the same goal then it would be different. Obviously, we want to believe that they all have the same goal but it just seems like some people are just too comfortable in their roles. I like Poole and Creer really well, but they haven't got enough touches.
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Poole apparently hasn't mastered the offense. Creer supposedly has security issues. Foster and Hardesty have fared pretty well.
 
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allvol123 said:
So a freshman is getting 40% of the carries between these 2. I'd say Saban does not get too worked up over the experience thing in relation to talent.
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In 2004 we had a redshirt senior QB. Instead, we let freshmen get 100% of the snaps. Fulmer has some examples, too. Comparing him to one of the most progressive coaches in the nation at a school with very limited upperclassmen talent isn't really fair.
 
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kptvol said:
I think it's fairly obvious that the real motive behind this thread is you questioning Crompton's security in the QB position. While he probably should have been pulled earlier, the idea hat the QB position of a college football team should be in a constantly liquid state is completely insane.
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Doesn't have anything to with Cromp since his situation is already discussed, it just made me think about the rest of the team. Why should they be comfortable and think that someone can't challenge them for the starting job. Look at all the hoopla about Gerald Williams and Brandon Warren. All the speculation was that they were going to impact this team, but yet neither have done so.
 
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GAVol said:
I agree at Linebacker, but aside from D-line and O-line, that's probably the position that the fewest Freshman are physically ready for IMO.

I'd say we have played a pretty good number of Freshmen RBs and WRs.
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I'll do some homework, because I don't know.

At line positions I understand, but the others I don't. Seems we limit freshmen RBs based upon the blocking excuse. WRs because they don't know what to do. Those two I don't get.
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kptvol said:
In 2004 we had a redshirt senior QB. Instead, we let freshman get 100% of the snaps. Fulmer has some examples, too. Comparing him to one of the most progressive coaches in the nation at a school with very limited upperclassmen talent isn't really fair.
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You're right, comparing Fulmer to Saban is not fair.
 
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GAVol said:
I agree at Linebacker, but aside from D-line and O-line, that's probably the position that the fewest Freshman are physically ready for IMO.

I'd say we have played a pretty good number of Freshmen RBs and WRs.
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I think Jerod Mayo got a lot of PT at outside linebacker as either a true freshman or RS freshman in 2005.
 
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GAVol said:
Aren't you basically saying that you think you are a better talent evaluator than the coaches that see them in practice everyday?
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No, what I'm saying is that I think Fulmer looks at the time a player has spent in the program rather than looking to get a player in that can offer something maybe short term in a game.
 
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allvol123 said:
You're right, comparing Fulmer to Saban is not fair.
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My point was that the majority of coaches are going to come up short there and also Saban's hand is somewhat forced. GA Vol said most coaches tend to prefer upperclassmen. I have to agree.
 
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Fulmer has a reputation (whether it's deserved or not) about hesitating to play freshmen etc who have better talent. He didn't play Lewis until after the Florida loss in '97 because he didn't know all of his blocking assignments. While he wasn't a frosh, in '94 he moved Ben Talley to DE, but only after suffering a couple of losses. There are a few other examples, but I'm too tired to jog my memory.

The point is, if those are wins it's not even discussed. When you lose, that's when the questions such as "why isn't ______ playing" begin.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'll do some homework, because I don't know.

At line positions I understand, but the others I don't. Seems we limit freshmen RBs based upon the blocking excuse. WRs because they don't know what to do. Those two I don't get.
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Arian started as a freshman after we lost Riggs in '05 and was the lone bright spot of the second half of the season...
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Doesn't have anything to with Cromp since his situation is already discussed, it just made me think about the rest of the team. Why should they be comfortable and think that someone can't challenge them for the starting job. Look at all the hoopla about Gerald Williams and Brandon Warren. All the speculation was that they were going to impact this team, but yet neither have done so.
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If Ellix Wilson were underperforming I'd be screaming for Gerald. He's excelled. Gerald was moved to defensive end in an effort to get him on the field. Looking at last week, lots of new faces making plays at that position. Brandon Warren has played quite a bit, he just doesn't have a whole lot of receptions- neither do Briscoe or Rogers, experienced and proven seniors.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'll do some homework, because I don't know.

At line positions I understand, but the others I don't. Seems we limit freshmen RBs based upon the blocking excuse. WRs because they don't know what to do. Those two I don't get.
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I think the pass protection "excuse" is a lot more valid than people realize for the RBs. I have wondered what happened to some Freshman WRs, but then you also have guys like James Banks, Jayson Swain, Robert Meachem, Lucas Taylor etc etc that don't seem to have a problem getting on the field.
 
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kptvol said:
My point was that the majority of coaches are going to come up short there and also Saban's hand is somewhat forced. GA Vol said most coaches tend to prefer upperclassmen. I have to agree.
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I know he is right, just antagonizing him.


Yea, Saban's hand is a little forced but I think he makes a better deal out of it than Fulmer would all things being equal. 8 of their 13 TDs are by freshmen. These guys get on the field and look prepared.
 
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allvol123 said:
I know he is right, just antagonizing him.


Yea, Saban's hand is a little forced but I think he makes a better deal out of than Fulmer would all things being equal. 8 of their 13 TDs are by freshmen. These guys get on the field and look prepared.
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Julio Jones looks pretty good. I believe he's a freshman right??
 
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allvol123 said:
I know he is right, just antagonizing him.


Yea, Saban's hand is a little forced but I think he makes a better deal out of than Fulmer would all things being equal. 8 of their 13 TDs are by freshmen. These guys get on the field and look prepared.
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Not the biggest praise you've ever lavished.
 
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Then that leads to another question that has plagued Fulmer for some time : are they not getting the young talent prepared in time?
 
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GAVol said:
I think the pass protection "excuse" is a lot more valid than people realize for the RBs. I have wondered what happened to some Freshman WRs, but then you also have guys like James Banks, Jayson Swain, Robert Meachem, Lucas Taylor etc etc that don't seem to have a problem getting on the field.
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I think the pass prtection excuse is code for has no idea which way to go in general. Pass protction isn't that hard.
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