A lot of you need to read this, it's a good read.

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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Guess you didn't listen to Butch's press conference where he said to blame him because he's the head coach? Butch gets it. Obviously you don't. Cheers.
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Are you ever happy? EVERY post I've ever read by you is negative. As much as I respect your right to voice your opinion, wow is it ever doom and gloom with you. We are the youngest team in the country, I don't care what anyone says. That matters A LOT.
 
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dillyo51 said:
Well done and informative. Thanks.
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I take no credit. As mentioned it was a repost. Those of you who've responded negatively, I guess I understand the level of disappointment, but this is getting ridiculous. We're getting the players, we just need time.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
To be serious, I think it was nothing more than his memory slipping at an inopportune moment. Ronald Reagan had that happen a lot.

I've sometimes forgotten the name of someone, that I easily remember any other time. It happens...once you hit 35-40+

Could be early stages of something more serious or just normal memory levels slipping with age.
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or a handful of pills most likely.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
I'm trying to instill a sense of reality in some of the posters here, not make excuses. If this continues, it won't be the coaches/schemes/players that damn us to an eternity of mediocrity, it will be an utter lack of patience and perspective of the long term/grand scheme from the fans.
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Really? So the fans decided to can Fulmer. The fans selected Lane Kiffin? The fans selected Dooley? The fans selected CBJ? No, no, no and no.
 
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92volalum said:
U should have copied my response also..There are many teams n coaches that had winning records in yr 2.. In fact its proven that championship coaches usually have the biggest impact in yr 2... Will Jones record at the end of the yr suggest champion or chimp? Only time will tell...
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And I guarantee that those coaches didn't have to replace every single starter from the offensive and defensive lines after year 1. Aside from QB, those are the most vital parts of a football team, and 9 out of 9 of those positions are filled with freshmen/new starters. Some of y'all are utterly embarrassing with your unrealistic expectations and lack of recognizing the unique situation Butch is in this year.
 
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OrangeIsLife said:
Really? So the fans decided to can Fulmer. The fans selected Lane Kiffin? The fans selected Dooley? The fans selected CBJ? No, no, no and no.
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You're missing the point. With modern media, it's a lot easier for thousands of ill mannered, heat of the moment fans to make their voices heard. People can be much more vocal thanks to technology.
 
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How come these coaches can turn around programs so quickly but at TN it is always the same story...it's a work in progress.

5FingerVolPunch said:
Very good post. I want to see wins as bad as the next guy, but some on here expect to see immediate results, which simply is not going to happen without experience, talent, and depth. This team has come a very long way since Butch took over, but it's going to take a few years. Butch has been saying this since he took the job. It seemed like everyone understood that at the start of the season and then just went full retard after this loss. Things are going to get better. I have faith in CBJ and these players. GBO!
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CoachClick said:
They decided on selecting Gruden :)

oh crap wait...
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A number of fans think they make all the decisions except those which turn out to be bad ones. Fact is, if they had been making the decisions, we would closed down our football program100 years ago. Even a teams which is owned by the fans, Green Bay Packers, rely on a football staff to make football decisions. Why do some of our fans think they they should be involved in making football decision.
 
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Actually the poster that mentioned Stoops has a good point. There was no program in shambles like Kentucky and now they already have a signature win and took Florida to OT IN Florida. Does he just have better coaches or what?
 
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All we need to WIN is a stud Q.B. Somebody along the lines of Tee Martin would be nice.
 
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bignewt said:
Actually the poster that mentioned Stoops has a good point. There was no program in shambles like Kentucky and now they already have a signature win and took Florida to OT IN Florida. Does he just have better coaches or what?
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This is Stoops' second year. In CBJ's first year, he got a signature win and took Georgia to OT. What's your point?
 
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Oh, this thread again (we love excuses so much here, we xerox them).

I might as well put this in here too...

oregonvol said:
Hmmm…let's see who has done it in the SEC this century.

James Franklin, Vanderbilt
Inherited 2-10 team. Historic losers playing in the toughest conference.

Year 1: 6-7
Year 2: 9-4
Year 3: 9-4

Hugh Freeze, Ole Miss
Inherited 2-10 team playing in the toughest division of the toughest conference.

Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 8-5
Year 3: 5-0 (so far)

Nick Saban, LSU
Inherited 3-8 team

Year 1: 8-4
Year 2: 10-3
Year 3: 8-5
Year 4: 13-1

Gene Chizik, Auburn
Inherited 5-7 team.

Year 1: 8-5
Year 2: 14-0
Year 3: 8-5

Gus Malzahn, Auburn
Inherited 3-9 team

Year 1: 12-2
Year 2: 5-0 (so far)

…this is what Butch is up against. Coaches who actually exceed expectations and make big leaps in win/loss records. But, even with the cherry-picked examples in the OP, you'll notice that most of those guys, even the ones who took over programs with poor facilities, little tradition, and subpar fan support, made actual noticeable improvements to their program's win/loss records right away. Most won several more games than the previous guy. Butch hasn't even done that.
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...Also worth pointing out that, with the exception of Dantonio, all the examples of long rebuilds in the OP are with guys taking over programs with 1 or 2 wins, and a history of such. On the other hand, Butch took over a program that was near .500 and had been for 3 seasons. He duplicated the record of the previous coach last year and looks to be on about the same path this year. The guys who rebuilt their programs actually showed improvements in wins as they went along.

Similar to Butch, Dantonio took over a program that was just sub .500, and, unlike Butch, he improved in wins immediately and never had a losing season.

I realize these facts get in the way of a good excuse, and you'll probably continue to ignore them, but I will keep noting them anyway.
 
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Butch is building a program to fear. Wait until team 120 takes the field. We will be top tier very soon. Good post OP
 
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OrangeIsLife said:
Really? So the fans decided to can Fulmer. The fans selected Lane Kiffin? The fans selected Dooley? The fans selected CBJ? No, no, no and no.
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The "stock up on gold" crowd that posts on VolNation loves to blame the fans.

#VFL #brickbybrick
 
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oregonvol said:
Oh, this thread again (we love excuses so much here, we xerox them).

I might as well put this in here too...



...Also worth pointing out that, with the exception of Dantonio, all the examples of long rebuilds in the OP are with guys taking over programs with 1 or 2 wins, and a history of such. On the other hand, Butch took over a program that was near .500 and had been for 3 seasons. He duplicated the record of the previous coach last year and looks to be on about the same path this year. The guys who rebuilt their programs actually showed improvements in wins as they went along.

Similar to Butch, Dantonio took over a program that was just sub .500, and, unlike Butch, he improved in wins immediately and never had a losing season.

I realize these facts get in the way of a good excuse, and you'll probably continue to ignore them, but I will keep noting them anyway.
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Well said.

And nobody here was expecting 9-4 or anything of the sort.

Just win the games we're supposed to win.

Lose, but don't get blown out, in the games we're supposed to lose.

Maybe win a game we're not supposed to win.

And that would have been fine.

Florida is awful. Kentucky took far less talented players than our Offense has available and dropped 433 yards on the Florida D. Florida's D just looked good by virtue that our Offense is run by a scared chicken.

This Florida loss will look worse and worse as the season trickles on, I guarantee it.

I also notice that a lot of the pom-pom thrashers that were on here last week talking about what the temp will be when we beat florida (vollygirl) are the ones that are adamantly in denial about the staff.

While things can get turned around. Tennessee can still beat USC/Mizzou, Kentucky, Vandy and UT-Chatt. We have the players to do it. By late in the season we simply can't use the "first road game", "first game in Sanford stadium" excuses anymore. We get it CBJ, they're young. Time to teach them instead of lamenting to everyone how bad they suck at playing.
 
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agent|orange said:
Well said.

And nobody here was expecting 9-4 or anything of the sort.

Just win the games we're supposed to win.

Lose, but don't get blown out, in the games we're supposed to lose.

Maybe win a game we're not supposed to win.

And that would have been fine.

Florida is awful. Kentucky took far less talented players than our Offense has available and dropped 433 yards on the Florida D. Florida's D just looked good by virtue that our Offense is run by a scared chicken.

This Florida loss will look worse and worse as the season trickles on, I guarantee it.

I also notice that a lot of the pom-pom thrashers that were on here last week talking about what the temp will be when we beat florida (vollygirl) are the ones that are adamantly in denial about the staff.

While things can get turned around. Tennessee can still beat USC/Mizzou, Kentucky, Vandy and UT-Chatt. We have the players to do it. By late in the season we simply can't use the "first road game", "first game in Sanford stadium" excuses anymore. We get it CBJ, they're young. Time to teach them instead of lamenting to everyone how bad they suck at playing.
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Good post. You should post here more often.

Remember when folks actually expected our coaches to be able to improve their players over the course of a season? Excuses used to be along the lines of "we're going to get better by (this or that game)". Now, we don't even use that pretense anymore. Now, it's just "Nope we're not good. Need to recruit more players. Two years from now we might get some results."
 
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ralncvol said:
This is Stoops' second year. In CBJ's first year, he got a signature win and took Georgia to OT. What's your point?
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The problem with signature wins is that they are considered as such because they signify that the program has turned the corner. Butch has gone 1-7 against Power 5 teams since his "signature" win. That makes it less of a signature win and more of an anomaly.
 
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