A lot of coaches do not want to coach for Dooley

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Too much anal retentiveness, too much perfectionism. Too much attention to the trees, not enough to the forest. In the end it may pay off, but it is a slow, methodical, no-shortcut build.
The problem is Dooley doesn't have the credibility to pull this off with known coaches. If he had the cred, like a Saban, it might work. When you don't get the Sunseris, but settle for the Greens, it hurts with recruiting and slows the process even more.

In reality, Green may turn out to be a much better DC than Sunseri would have, but it is just not a good perception to our recruits. It looks like a fail to our fans.

I just hope Dooley gets the time to turn it around. After the Kentucky debacle, the margin for error is very thin.
 
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If Richt, Spurrier, etc feel a little down over say losing a recruit to Bama or Fla, all they do is watch any given Doolander press conference and they instantly feel better.
 
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From all reports he is highly organized but one never knows until seeing the actual inner workings.

To the OP, if one needs the credentials of a Saban to be anal retentive, etc as you claim, then how did Saban ever get to where he was today? I mean everyone starts from the same point as everyone else.
 
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Actually, coaches don't want to come into a situation where fans are vitriol toward the existing coaches, have no real football sense, and unrealistic expectations.

Despite the fact that Dooley took over a team with 65 scholarship players, almost none of whom were SEC quality, with no real recruiting base, and no senior leadership, so called fans refer to his time here as a failure and practically have run off every coach.

People who know nearly nothing about football have created such a toxic atmosphere around the program, what big-name coach would possibly consider coming here? There is no upside at all. Well respected coaches like HH are being run off, yet other high-profile schools are trying to bring him in.

If you want to know why no quality coaches want to be here, look in the mirror.
 
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PermaVol said:
From all reports he is highly organized but one never knows until seeing the actually inner workings.

To the OP, if one needs the credentials of a Saban to be anal retentive, etc as you claim, then how did Saban ever get to where he was today? I mean everyone starts from the same point as everyone else.
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There is a similarity between Saban and Dooley. Both of them had a "name" built by family members. It took Saban about 4 years to build up Sparty. I just hope Dooley is fully supported in the same way. It isn't any good to give someone 4 years, but have so much pressure that they appear to be a lame duck to prospective coaches and recruits.
 
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i have a feeling that when DD is shown the door.
in typical UT fashion there will be some crazy arse articles coming out about him that some of those poor sob staffers had to endure why he was there.
 
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orangeblood said:
Too much anal retentiveness, too much perfectionism. Too much attention to the trees, not enough to the forest. In the end it may pay off, but it is a slow, methodical, no-shortcut build. The problem is Dooley doesn't have the credibility to pull this off with known coaches. If he had the cred, like a Saban, it might work. When you don't get the Sunseris, but settle for the Greens, it hurts with recruiting and slows the process even more.

In reality, Green may turn out to be a much better DC than Sunseri would have, but it is just not a good perception to our recruits. It looks like a fail to our fans.

I just hope Dooley gets the time to turn it around. After the Kentucky debacle, the margin for error is very thin.
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Great insight.... thanks for the post, Dooley has not built his own name yet, maybe he will, but I doubt UT will give him the time to do it, but if they do it could be worth it in the long run....What is built slow and methodically usually falls the same way ( and easier to to keep long term)

When Doug Dickey left everything to Bill Battle, the team coasted fro several years at a high winning percentile, even tho Battle (a good man) was not a great coach
 
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orangeblood said:
Too much anal retentiveness, too much perfectionism. Too much attention to the trees, not enough to the forest. In the end it may pay off, but it is a slow, methodical, no-shortcut build.
The problem is Dooley doesn't have the credibility to pull this off with known coaches. If he had the cred, like a Saban, it might work. When you don't get the Sunseris, but settle for the Greens, it hurts with recruiting and slows the process even more.

In reality, Green may turn out to be a much better DC than Sunseri would have, but it is just not a good perception to our recruits. It looks like a fail to our fans.

I just hope Dooley gets the time to turn it around. After the Kentucky debacle, the margin for error is very thin.
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What you forget is that the fans will not be the people who have a say in whether Dooley is retained or let go. Dave Hart will hold that key and apparently Dooley has Hart's full support in this decision or otherwise he would have been fired. It will all be decided on the field of play and not on a message board.
 
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orangeblood said:
Too much anal retentiveness, too much perfectionism. Too much attention to the trees, not enough to the forest. In the end it may pay off, but it is a slow, methodical, no-shortcut build.
The problem is Dooley doesn't have the credibility to pull this off with known coaches. If he had the cred, like a Saban, it might work. When you don't get the Sunseris, but settle for the Greens, it hurts with recruiting and slows the process even more.

In reality, Green may turn out to be a much better DC than Sunseri would have, but it is just not a good perception to our recruits. It looks like a fail to our fans.

I just hope Dooley gets the time to turn it around. After the Kentucky debacle, the margin for error is very thin.
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How do you know?
 
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People , Lets just face facts. Until we prove something on the field , rather than the internet, we are going to have to settle for what's left !!! It is just that simple. As bad as I hate to say it......We are a no name in the football powerhouses today !!! A simple fact that we are going to have to work ourselves out of and I believe we will start in 2012. I really think it would have started in 2011 if all the injuries had not occurred. We were on our way with the big blow out of Cincy ,. If Hunter had not gotten hurt we were well on our way. Lets get behind whomever we hire and try to rebuild what was once a proud and respectable program. Then, and only then, will we be able to get our choice of coaches. We have much better days ahead but we cannot afford to continue to tear down the simple things that have been accomplished over the past two years(better players with more talent). You have to admit, even though we all have our thoughts about Dooley, we do have more talent that what we had when he arrived.
 
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1world1love said:
Actually, coaches don't want to come into a situation where fans are vitriol toward the existing coaches, have no real football sense, and unrealistic expectations.

Despite the fact that Dooley took over a team with 65 scholarship players, almost none of whom were SEC quality, with no real recruiting base, and no senior leadership, so called fans refer to his time here as a failure and practically have run off every coach.

People who know nearly nothing about football have created such a toxic atmosphere around the program, what big-name coach would possibly consider coming here? There is no upside at all. Well respected coaches like HH are being run off, yet other high-profile schools are trying to bring him in.

If you want to know why no quality coaches want to be here, look in the mirror.
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And the University has done nothing to stop it. They let the rumors fly with their silence. They could squash the rumors, but they chose not to. Dont blame the fans. Its the universitys job to excite the fanbase
 
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What I find humorous, is the fact that a lot of posters on this board think Dooley is doing a good job by getting rid of all the "crappy" coaches on the staff. But who hired all those coaches in the first place? It just doesn't make sense.
 
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1world1love said:
Actually, coaches don't want to come into a situation where fans are vitriol toward the existing coaches, have no real football sense, and unrealistic expectations.

Despite the fact that Dooley took over a team with 65 scholarship players, almost none of whom were SEC quality, with no real recruiting base, and no senior leadership, so called fans refer to his time here as a failure and practically have run off every coach.

People who know nearly nothing about football have created such a toxic atmosphere around the program, what big-name coach would possibly consider coming here? There is no upside at all. Well respected coaches like HH are being run off, yet other high-profile schools are trying to bring him in.

If you want to know why no quality coaches want to be here, look in the mirror.
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Well said.
 
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1world1love said:
Actually, coaches don't want to come into a situation where fans are vitriol toward the existing coaches, have no real football sense, and unrealistic expectations.

Despite the fact that Dooley took over a team with 65 scholarship players, almost none of whom were SEC quality, with no real recruiting base, and no senior leadership, so called fans refer to his time here as a failure and practically have run off every coach.

People who know nearly nothing about football have created such a toxic atmosphere around the program, what big-name coach would possibly consider coming here? There is no upside at all. Well respected coaches like HH are being run off, yet other high-profile schools are trying to bring him in.

If you want to know why no quality coaches want to be here, look in the mirror.
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WOW! Prepare to get bombed but you NAILED IT.:good!:
 
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1world1love said:
Actually, coaches don't want to come into a situation where fans are vitriol toward the existing coaches, have no real football sense, and unrealistic expectations.

Despite the fact that Dooley took over a team with 65 scholarship players, almost none of whom were SEC quality, with no real recruiting base, and no senior leadership, so called fans refer to his time here as a failure and practically have run off every coach.

People who know nearly nothing about football have created such a toxic atmosphere around the program, what big-name coach would possibly consider coming here? There is no upside at all. Well respected coaches like HH are being run off, yet other high-profile schools are trying to bring him in.

If you want to know why no quality coaches want to be here, look in the mirror.
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Fans dont run off coaches. Every rabid fanbase has its share of negative nancies. Have you ever read the posts of Irish fans? If Hiestand was run off by fans, he is in the wrong business. He may very well be a good coach, but something was wrong with the rushing attack this year. It was one of the worst in the country. So Dooley brings in a running back coach and a new offensive line coach. Almost any sane coach would have done the same.
 
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velovol said:
i have a feeling that when DD is shown the door.
in typical UT fashion there will be some crazy arse articles coming out about him that some of those poor sob staffers had to endure why he was there.
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yep
 
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