A little STAR-gazing.....

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Of our 20 commits, 14 of them are ranked 4* or higher by at least one of the 4 services. (Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 247)

So only 6 are ranked 3 star or lower by all 4 services. Of those 6, 1 is a grayshirt candidate and 1 is a kicker (which are capped at 3* on rivals, not sure of other services). Orlando Brown, Coleman Thomas, Neiko Creamer and Kameel Jackson are the other 4.

Consensus 4* or higher: Hurd, Bates, Kelly, McDowell, Payne, Lauderdale & Weatherd (although ESPN doesn't rate Jucos).

SIAP. I know "stars don't matter" and all that jazz but I just thought it was worth noting.

Average Star Ranking:
4.25 : Jalen Hurd
4: Bates, Kelly, McDowell, Payne, Lauderdale, Weatherd
3.75: Helm, Bryant
3.5: Wharton
3.25: Paulk, Powell, Henderson, Wolf
3: Brown, Thomas, Creamer, Jackson
2.75: Medley
2.25: Dews

Go Vols.

Edit: Weatherd is a consensus 4* as well. Missed him in orginal post. Also added avg star ranking.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Of our 20 commits, 14 of them are ranked 4* or higher by at least one of the 4 services. (Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 247)

So only 6 are ranked 3 star or lower by all 4 services. Of those 6, 1 is a grayshirt candidate and 1 is a kicker (which are capped at 3* on rivals, not sure of other services). Orlando Brown, Coleman Thomas, Neiko Creamer and Kameel Jackson are the other 4.

Consensus 4* or higher: Hurd, Bates, Kelly, McDowell, Payne, Lauderdale (although ESPN doesn't rate Jucos).

SIAP. I know "stars don't matter" and all that jazz but I just thought it was worth noting.

Go Vols.
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And two of those 3 stars are O-linemen are we all know linemen are harder to evaluate. Creamer is probably too big for his position and will end up playing D-end so all the 3 stars are high rated or possibly under rated.
 
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Should also mention that 3 star kicker is considered the best kicker by many services.
 
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Interesting Thread OP. Thanks for compiling the info. CBJ and this staff have exceeded all expectations regarding recruiting to this point.
 
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Will the ratings change after this season is over? Possibly some boys jumping from 4-5 star and some boys from a 3-4 star?


:huh:
 
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Another nugget of interest...

This time last year, we had exactly 6 total commits for the 2013 class.

Thank you, CBJ.
 
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With it still being early some of the recruits will have a chance to get a bump in their ratings with a solid senior season.

It also seemed like during the last couple seasons... when a recruit committed to us, they lost a star or their rating dropped.

This year with CBJ and staff are doing a great job early recruiting the '14 class, this allows them to get a good jump on '15 & '16 prospects!

Hope we get some more great news this weekend with some of the prospects in positions of need. DL, OL & LB... CBJ and Staff doing a fantastic job!! Looking forward to future success on the field.. Go Vols!
 
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RockyTopRockin said:
Will the ratings change after this season is over? Possibly some boys jumping from 4-5 star and some boys from a 3-4 star?


:huh:
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there will be multiple ratings updates before this cycle concludes.

and yes, we may have a couple "bumps". Jalen Hurd is a good bet to get a 5th Star from Rivals :good!:
 
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Also note that 7 of our 3*s have 5.7 ratings on Rivals. They're a small bump to 5.8 4*s.
 
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Personally I'd rather Hurd takes it easy on the carries this year and same some tread for college ball
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Another nugget of interest...

This time last year, we had exactly 6 total commits for the 2013 class.

Thank you, CBJ.
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Commits by 7/31 and avg "stars" according to Rivals:

2012- 6 3.82
2011- 7 3.41
2010- 7 (Kiffin) 3.26
2009- 4 (Fulmer) 3.59
2008- 4 3.06
2007- 9 3.63
2006- 2 3.09
2005- 3 4.31
2004- 2 3.25


My enthusiasm is a little tempered because so far Jones' avg "star" rating which I think DOES matter a good bit is around the "average" of 3.4 to 3.5 stars. My hope is bolstered because these early commits COULD mean that Jones is getting who he wants rather than picking over the leftovers. That could really be huge.

I did not realize that Dooley's 2012 class was that good according Rivals. It has already had some attrition though.
 
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VolFromNashville said:
And we said, "it's only July! Stop freaking out people. UT never recruits well in July. We start slow and finish strong." How wrong we (myself included) were.
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That's been the mantra for a long time going well back into the Fulmer days as many of us tried to excuse him and deny that he had lost his mojo with the best players.
 
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mreed90 said:
And two of those 3 stars are O-linemen are we all know linemen are harder to evaluate. Creamer is probably too big for his position and will end up playing D-end so all the 3 stars are high rated or possibly under rated.
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So are we going to move the croomster to d-end bc they are basically the same size and speed. Some of you jokers crack me up
 
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I just made a quick pass through of the Rivals 250. There are more than 100 left to commit, but almost 75 of those who have are committed to SEC programs. No doubt there will be more than 40% by then end. It looks like our fans will be chanting S-E-C for a few years to come.
 
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volfannga said:
I just made a quick pass through of the Rivals 250. There are more than 100 left to commit, but almost 75 of those who have are committed to SEC programs. No doubt there will be more than 40% by then end. It looks like our fans will be chanting S-E-C for a few years to come.
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I just care about chanting GBO!!!!!!!
 
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sjt18 said:
Commits by 7/31 and avg "stars" according to Rivals:

2012- 6 3.82
2011- 7 3.41
2010- 7 (Kiffin) 3.26
2009- 4 (Fulmer) 3.59
2008- 4 3.06
2007- 9 3.63
2006- 2 3.09
2005- 3 4.31
2004- 2 3.25


My enthusiasm is a little tempered because so far Jones' avg "star" rating which I think DOES matter a good bit is around the "average" of 3.4 to 3.5 stars. My hope is bolstered because these early commits COULD mean that Jones is getting who he wants rather than picking over the leftovers. That could really be huge.

I did not realize that Dooley's 2012 class was that good according Rivals. It has already had some attrition though.
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But realize we have as many commits as we had on this date the LAST 3 YEARS COMBINED.

Our Average star rating is very competitive right now. Sure we could have not taken some 3 stars early and be around a 4, but who cares. Everyone takes 3 stars and if your star rankings ends up North of 3.5 will likely land you around the top 10.

Having 20 commits in July and having a 3.4 average is solid. Especially when several of our 3 stars may get bumped.

We are not more then .24 behind top average in the top 25. We are in GREAT shape.
 
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sjt18 said:
Commits by 7/31 and avg "stars" according to Rivals:

2012- 6 3.82
2011- 7 3.41
2010- 7 (Kiffin) 3.26
2009- 4 (Fulmer) 3.59
2008- 4 3.06
2007- 9 3.63
2006- 2 3.09
2005- 3 4.31
2004- 2 3.25


My enthusiasm is a little tempered because so far Jones' avg "star" rating which I think DOES matter a good bit is around the "average" of 3.4 to 3.5 stars. My hope is bolstered because these early commits COULD mean that Jones is getting who he wants rather than picking over the leftovers. That could really be huge.

I did not realize that Dooley's 2012 class was that good according Rivals. It has already had some attrition though.
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2004 - 24 3.25 (20th)
2005 - 27 3.63 (4th)
2006 - 22 3.09 (23rd)
2007 - 32 3.63 (3rd)
2008 - 18 3.06 (35th)
2009 - 21 3.62 (10th)
2010 - 25 3.44 (9th)
2011 - 27 3.41 (13th)
2012 - 21 3.38 (17th)
2013 - 21 3.19 (21st)

I decided to look to see how these classes finished. All info from Rivals.

I took some guesses on how this class may finish, realistically, I think we finish around 3.53 avg star with 30 commits. This is with Dews greyshirting and no bumps to anyone.

If 4 of our 3* get bumps and Hurd goes to a 5* on Rivals, that would put us at 3.7 with 30 commits. All of which I think is likely since we have that many ranked higher on other sites. With that many commits, 3.7 is pretty high.

I will be even more excited than I already am if this happens. I hope my math is correct :)
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Another nugget of interest...

This time last year, we had exactly 6 total commits for the 2013 class.

Thank you, CBJ.
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I knew it was really bad by comparison. Honestly thought it was less than 6 but that sounds about right. Thanks for the info Banks.
 
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sjt18 said:
Commits by 7/31 and avg "stars" according to Rivals:

2012- 6 3.82
2011- 7 3.41
2010- 7 (Kiffin) 3.26
2009- 4 (Fulmer) 3.59
2008- 4 3.06
2007- 9 3.63
2006- 2 3.09
2005- 3 4.31
2004- 2 3.25


My enthusiasm is a little tempered because so far Jones' avg "star" rating which I think DOES matter a good bit is around the "average" of 3.4 to 3.5 stars. My hope is bolstered because these early commits COULD mean that Jones is getting who he wants rather than picking over the leftovers. That could really be huge.

I did not realize that Dooley's 2012 class was that good according Rivals. It has already had some attrition though.
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The better metric would be to average their Rivals ranking and see what it comes up with.

Here are some quick figures I did only counting scholarship players so not counting Dews this year, Swofford last yr, ect.

2014- 5.77 avg
2013 - 5.66 avg
2012 - 5.70 avg
2011 - 5.71 avg
2010 - 5.69 avg
2009 - 5.8 avg
2008 - 5.64 avg

So as you can see this class is barely only the second best in the scale in the last 7 years...BUT that is not even close to really evaluating it becaue the FINAL RIVALS rankings have many more 4 stars and high rated players than at this point in their ranking cycle.

This class is on pace to be our best on paper since 2007 AT LEAST.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Of our 20 commits, 14 of them are ranked 4* or higher by at least one of the 4 services. (Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 247)

So only 6 are ranked 3 star or lower by all 4 services. Of those 6, 1 is a grayshirt candidate and 1 is a kicker (which are capped at 3* on rivals, not sure of other services). Orlando Brown, Coleman Thomas, Neiko Creamer and Kameel Jackson are the other 4.

Consensus 4* or higher: Hurd, Bates, Kelly, McDowell, Payne, Lauderdale (although ESPN doesn't rate Jucos).

SIAP. I know "stars don't matter" and all that jazz but I just thought it was worth noting.

Go Vols.
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Isn't Weatherd a consensus 4* same as Lauderdale?
 
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I think you guys are missing the most important thing I said. To me, it seems likely that Jones is getting who he wants and the kind of player he wants instead of picking over the scraps.

IMHO, Dooley tended to go for "character" players then sprinkled in some more risky guys. But there is no question in my mind that he was trying to figure out who the best players were of those left after others got their picks.

Toward the end, Fulmer wasn't getting his choice any more. Spurrier and Clemson had pushed him out of SC. UNC was better at keeping him out of NC. Richt had cut him off in GA. All of the FL schools were recruiting well with UCF and USF stepping up too. LSU had pretty much cut him off in LA. He was left picking over the leftovers way too often. Talented for sure but higher risks than the instate schools wanted to assume.

Honestly Kiffin did a pretty good job of getting first cut players before leaving in '10. His EE's have been pretty good players.



Jones is taking kids from other states that the instate schools want... a lot. He's getting his pick in TN at a time when TN HSFB seems to be on the rise.

Not only could Jones be "the guy".... the stars may be aligning for him too.
 
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