A little perspective is needed

#26
#26
volgr said:
While I appreciate the effort from the coaching staff and team during their current run, I think a little perspective is needed. After a regular season filled with underachievement and bad losses, it is refreshing to see this team playing up to their potential in time for postseason play. Some fans, who just a few weeks ago where ready to can Coach Martin are now ready to erect a statue in his honor. Quite unbelievable. Let's review the teams and their Kenpom ranking that Coach Martin has beaten during this run.

#84 Mercer
#55 UMass
#31 Iowa
#114 South Carolina
#77 Missouri
#129 Auburn
#113 Vandy
#208 Miss State

So why are people rushing to build a statue of this guy for beating a bunch of mediocre teams? These are teams we should be beating. These are things that were expected of this team. Did Coach Martin set the bar so low during the regular season that now any semblance of a pulse from this team is surprising?

The next 2 games (if we win the 1st) are where Coach Martin will prove himself. (#10 Michigan and #3Louisville/#13KY). If we win and or compete in those games then it is time to start considering a raise and extension. Until that happens, all Coach Martin has done is what is to be expected.
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Simply put, "You can't please all the people all of the time". :rolleyes:
 
#27
#27
volgr said:
While I appreciate the effort from the coaching staff and team during their current run, I think a little perspective is needed. After a regular season filled with underachievement and bad losses, it is refreshing to see this team playing up to their potential in time for postseason play. Some fans, who just a few weeks ago where ready to can Coach Martin are now ready to erect a statue in his honor. Quite unbelievable. Let's review the teams and their Kenpom ranking that Coach Martin has beaten during this run.

#84 Mercer
#55 UMass
#31 Iowa
#114 South Carolina
#77
#129 Auburn
#113 Vandy
#208 Miss State

So why are people rushing to build a statue of this guy for beating a bunch of mediocre teams? These are teams we should be beating. These are things that were expected of this team. Did Coach Martin set the bar so low during the regular season that now any semblance of a pulse from this team is surprising?

The next 2 games (if we win the 1st) are where Coach Martin will prove himself. (#10 Michigan and #3Louisville/#13KY). If we win and or compete in those games then it is time to start considering a raise and extension. Until that happens, all Coach Martin has done is what is to be expected.
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I see you you have no ideas what college basketball is about or how it works. No one cares about a few regular season losses. Those are irrelevant.

Even if we lose we overachieved this year. We were not ranked. We are in the Sweet 16.
 
#28
#28
Spartacavolus said:
The fans that don't seem to appreciate it are the ones that can't stop whining about fans that were pissed. I'm very happy right now. This was expected too, which is why I'm happy. The I told you so crowd has multiplied 10x and won't stfu. As long as we keep having to explain its about what's on the court instead of some daycare soap opera, maybe the I told you so crowd will enjoy it as the critical ones now are.
Afterall, we have gone from one loss from Martin gone to 3 yr extension talk in 3 weeks. A little perspective is needed.

Only part of the ride that sucks now is I can't get a ticket for Indy. Though we lost when I went to St Louis.
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I was one of those who was unhappy/pissed/disappointed w/ how we played earlier in the year, I think all VOL fans were. I'm loving the run we're on now, and am not going to dwell on the negative. I agree a 3 yr extension might be unwarranted at this time, but some extension is in order. Difficult to recruit when your HC is twisting in the wind.
 
#31
#31
UT's#1Fan said:
If you're going to take into consideration the margin of victory... please also don't forget we almost lost in the first four to Iowa...

Also to those saying... "enjoy the ride..." I am. But there are many that instead of just "enjoying the ride" they're calling the "naysayers” out asking them to eat crow and carrying on with their "I told you so" type attitudes.

Threads like this one are created to put the "I told you so" people in their place and calm down the people that have succumb to the pressure of the “I told you so” crowd by offering up some kind of pathetic apology.

Like the OP said… perspective, let’s keep things in it.
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I haven't noticed many people "apologizing". I started a thread (in which you commented) simply to say I was wrong. I was not apologizing to anyone on this board or anyone in Knoxville. I simply wanted to say I was wrong in the short term.

I agree the "I told you so" people are as annoying as the "it's all fool's gold" people right now. Which one are you right now?
 
#33
#33
40Cap said:
And if we'd played this well earlier in the season guess where we'd be right now? Exactly where we are... water under the bridge.
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That would be a shortsighted and simplistic way to look at it.
 
#34
#34
volgr said:
While I appreciate the effort from the coaching staff and team during their current run, I think a little perspective is needed. After a regular season filled with underachievement and bad losses, it is refreshing to see this team playing up to their potential in time for postseason play. Some fans, who just a few weeks ago where ready to can Coach Martin are now ready to erect a statue in his honor. Quite unbelievable. Let's review the teams and their Kenpom ranking that Coach Martin has beaten during this run.

#84 Mercer
#55 UMass
#31 Iowa
#114 South Carolina
#77 Missouri
#129 Auburn
#113 Vandy
#208 Miss State

So why are people rushing to build a statue of this guy for beating a bunch of mediocre teams? These are teams we should be beating. These are things that were expected of this team. Did Coach Martin set the bar so low during the regular season that now any semblance of a pulse from this team is surprising?

The next 2 games (if we win the 1st) are where Coach Martin will prove himself. (#10 Michigan and #3Louisville/#13KY). If we win and or compete in those games then it is time to start considering a raise and extension. Until that happens, all Coach Martin has done is what is to be expected.
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Hey, derp. You want to use kenpom ratings to evaluate the significance (or lack-thereof) of our wins to date, then why don't you throw in what those wins have done to our OWN kenpom rating. It's not that we're just winning these games, it's that we are, in the words of Charles Barkley, MAULING teams.
 
#35
#35
Kenpom nearly nailed the Sweet 16... 11 of their top 16 are in it with 4 others in the top 30.
 
#36
#36
The schedule has been favorable, but Iowa was a dangerous team that was playing inspired basketball. Yeah, a lot of teams would like to have played UMASS and Mercer, but we didn't make the schedule. It doesn't matter how we got here. So who cares...enjoy the moment. Ride the momentum. If Barton gets hot, Richardson stay hot, then we will add a year to the Elite 8 banner in TBA.

What this is hopefully going to do is help recruiting. How many big men in the country are looking at TN right now and want to be the next Stokes?
 
#37
#37
C-town Vol said:
I agree the "I told you so" people are as annoying as the "it's all fool's gold" people right now. Which one are you right now?
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There is no reason to be in either camp right now. Lets see how the rest of the season plays out. That is the boiled down version of my original post.
 
#38
#38
UT's#1Fan said:
If you're going to take into consideration the margin of victory... please also don't forget we almost lost in the first four to Iowa...

Also to those saying... "enjoy the ride..." I am. But there are many that instead of just "enjoying the ride" they're calling the "naysayers” out asking them to eat crow and carrying on with their "I told you so" type attitudes.

Threads like this one are created to put the "I told you so" people in their place and calm down the people that have succumb to the pressure of the “I told you so” crowd by offering up some kind of pathetic apology.

Like the OP said… perspective, let’s keep things in it.
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The funniest thing is that you're on here complaining about those ecstatic about the run (arguably a knee jerk reaction) while a month ago you were demanding Martin be fired midseason (another knee jerk reaction). Gotta love the extremes acting like they're not in the wrong. However, those doing the calling out now are mostly the ones that were saying "let the season play out" while you weren't doing that. Bit of a difference there.
 
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#42
#42
C-town Vol said:
I haven't noticed many people "apologizing". I started a thread (in which you commented) simply to say I was wrong. I was not apologizing to anyone on this board or anyone in Knoxville. I simply wanted to say I was wrong in the short term.

I agree the "I told you so" people are as annoying as the "it's all fool's gold" people right now. Which one are you right now?
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Right smack in the middle. Regardless of the competition, this team should be commended for showing up and winning 3 NCAA games. At the same time I'm not ready to dismiss Martin's errors made over the last few years. Can he grow as a coach, sure. I hope that's what we're seeing here. But there's no way to tell that until we see how the next couple years go.
 
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#43
#43
volgr said:
While I appreciate the effort from the coaching staff and team during their current run, I think a little perspective is needed. After a regular season filled with underachievement and bad losses, it is refreshing to see this team playing up to their potential in time for postseason play. Some fans, who just a few weeks ago where ready to can Coach Martin are now ready to erect a statue in his honor. Quite unbelievable. Let's review the teams and their Kenpom ranking that Coach Martin has beaten during this run.

#84 Mercer
#55 UMass
#31 Iowa
#114 South Carolina
#77 Missouri
#129 Auburn
#113 Vandy
#208 Miss State

So why are people rushing to build a statue of this guy for beating a bunch of mediocre teams? These are teams we should be beating. These are things that were expected of this team. Did Coach Martin set the bar so low during the regular season that now any semblance of a pulse from this team is surprising?

The next 2 games (if we win the 1st) are where Coach Martin will prove himself. (#10 Michigan and #3Louisville/#13KY). If we win and or compete in those games then it is time to start considering a raise and extension. Until that happens, all Coach Martin has done is what is to be expected.
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Statue! lol..
We are amongst the 16 teams still alive in the tourney! I hope you realize that. would you have said this was possible back in january! I guess no!!
Give credit when credit is due!
 
#44
#44
UTBasketball2 said:
That isn't almost losing. I'm sure Iowa fans don't say they almost won.
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I bet they are saying that... they dominated that game until the last few mins. Then they tied it with seconds left. They had all the mo heading into OT.
 
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#45
#45
the fact you play 3 games in that time and just kill it in the 2nd and 3rd game is big, I don't care who you are playing in the NCAAs
 
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#46
#46
UT's#1Fan said:
If you're going to take into consideration the margin of victory... please also don't forget we almost lost in the first four to Iowa...

Also to those saying... "enjoy the ride..." I am. But there are many that instead of just "enjoying the ride" they're calling the "naysayers” out asking them to eat crow and carrying on with their "I told you so" type attitudes.

Threads like this one are created to put the "I told you so" people in their place and calm down the people that have succumb to the pressure of the “I told you so” crowd by offering up some kind of pathetic apology.

Like the OP said… perspective, let’s keep things in it.
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Thanks for the info..just checkin out your Auburn badge you have there,enjoy Pearls ride to doom with The Tigers also..they seem to be just the school to tolerate his lying BS
 
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#47
#47
volgr said:
There is no reason to be in either camp right now. Lets see how the rest of the season plays out. That is the boiled down version of my original post.
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I agree...I think those of us wanting Bruce Back were wrong in the short term...we jumped the gun...we weren't rational. However, I am by no means saying Martin is the guy who will be awesome for the next decade. I'm simply saying at this point he has earned another couple years to prove himself.
 
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#49
#49
UT's#1Fan said:
Right smack in the middle. Regardless of the competition, this team should be commended for showing up and winning 3 NCAA games. At the same time I'm not ready to dismiss Martin's errors made over the last few years. Can he grow as a coach, sure. I hope that's what we're seeing here. But there's no way to tell that until we see how the next couple years go.
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If that's where you are then that is completely fair.
 
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#50
#50
CMvol said:
Statue! lol..
We are amongst the 16 teams still alive in the tourney! I hope you realize that. would you have said this was possible back in january! I guess no!!
Give credit when credit is due!
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Would I have said it was possible in January? If you would have told me we would draw UMass and Mercer then yeah I would have thought it would be possible. Maybe not probable, but possible.
 
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