A hater/negavol/kiffinite's revised thoughts on Dooley

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First of all, let me say I hate all of those above terms, and I believe a person over the age of 13 who legitimately uses the word 'hater' to describe people should be extremely embarrassed.

Now, I'm not going to pretend I've completely changed my predictions about Dooley, but I do feel at least a little better than I did before, for a few reasons.

1. The reputation of the guy among certain fans, particularly LSU, has been great to hear. No one has a high opinion of the LaTech Job or Ruston. People really think he was nicely things turned around, and they seem to have an overall high opinion of him. Other in-conference fan bases have said Dooley is a major upgrade for us, but most of those are due to the fact that Dooley didn't give them any crap upon his arrival here. I don't care what Will Muschamp says, and I don't expect Saban would be perfectly honest in describing the guy, but I do believe LSU fans have at least some clue about the guy.

2. The staff, while not as good as the previous staff, in my opinion, looks to be capable. Looking at the points BSU gave up before and after the hire, Wilcox didn't look quite as good at first, but upon researching the guy more, it looks to be a solid hire. I also like the Smith hire, and am glad we kept Chaney and Thompson. If anything, it keeps me from worrying about what may happen if some guys leave.

3.
Dooley seems to have a certain fire that makes me think he'll shoot for excellence. Nothing would be worse than a guy like Fulmer who just stares at mediocrity and claps in a way resembling the Gator chomp. If Dooley works hard, demands the staff do so as well, and holds players accountable for screw ups on and off the field, things could turn out well.

My current feelings: I still am not overly confident. I really, really want Dooley to succeed. Believe me, I haven't made close to 20,000 posts on this site because I want to increase my 'e-cred.' I love Tennessee and want them to succeed. Period. That being said, I still think he's over his head. He's just in a situation which I find to be incredibly difficult. You may be optimistic, but I'm not thrilled about hiring an unproven coach to beat rival coaches who, in the future, may be considered two of the greatest of all time.

My prediction for his tenure: Something along the lines of 6-7, 7-6, 8-5, and 8-5, resulting in his firing after 4 years or so. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not expecting it. I do not, however, believe that he'll be like Bill Battle was, and I think the next coach, hopefully a great one, will be able to come into a decent situation and compete for championships relatively quickly.

Bottom line:
I'm certainly not wishing anything bad on Tennessee, so I can feel smart. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, although I admittedly won't be so quick to give everyone else here credit, because I don't feel like everyone else is making rational, unbiased predictions. I do believe some people are optimistic based on what they really know about the guy, and they may turn out to be right, but I believe a lot of the optimistic people here simply aren't looking at the situation without bias.

To summarize: If Dooley wins, those of us who criticize him need to admit we were wrong. However, those who call us 'haters' also must be able to see it like it is if this isn't going so well. In my opinion, the problem with UT right now can be attributed to the failure to make the necessary changes when they were needed years ago, due to loyalty and optimism. We, as a fan base, need to support the head coach and team. However, we also need to demand excellence for the program we love. If we want to win, we have to stop accepting anything less.

Just like not everyone who likes Dooley is a 'blind sheep,' I'm most definitely not a bandwagon/fair-weather fan. If I was, I'd be rooting for Ohio State, which in all honesty, is a school I have much, much more connection to. However, I love and will continue to root for the Vols. Believe it or not, G8trH8tr Eric and Hatvol ultimately want the same thing for the Tennessee. I'm not saying we should cease to debate the hire, the present and the future, but we shouldn't absolutely loathe each other when doing it. It's getting hard to watch, and I imagine the only ones really enjoying it are Lawgator and some Yellowhammers. I'm not thrilled, we really do have to 'wait and see.' I just hope we realize that reaching the top will require excellence, and as fans of UT, we should do whatever we can to make sure we have that excellence. Sucking for a few years is one thing, and it happens to everyone. Sucking for a few years and refusing to address the problem is unacceptable.

It's time to get back to writing my report (unfortunately, engineering isn't quite as exciting as football), so I'll simply leave it at this. We all want the same thing. We'll get it, too. I just hope it's sooner, rather than later. Let's just try to avoid killing each other in the mean time.
 
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#2
#2
I agree with the post. Many good points, except having to admit you were wrong about Dooley and vice versa if you were right about him. It is just a predicition, nothing more...nothing less. It is not a statement of fact nor is there any correlation as to how "true" a Vol fan you are. It is what it is, no need for apologizing or admitting you were wrong....IMHO.
 
#3
#3
Excellent post. I agree name calling is pointless and I for one do not understand it. As for how sucessful Coach Dooley is, I am going to wait and make my first real judgement after the season is over and the 2011 recruiting class is signed. I do not expect a top 10 class because it should be heavy on linemen and have less skill position players. Hopefully Coach Dooley understands that it takes superior line play to win in the SEC.
 
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#5
Excellent points...and as someone who's is on the Dooley bandwagon I have no problem with your predictions because you've explained them very clearly and you're also open to the fact (and actually hoping) that you could be wrong...

What I can't stand are people on polar ends of the spectrum...and that goes for people who are certain he will succeed as much as for those who are certain he will fail...

I personally believe that the worst case scenario for Dooley is that he leaves the shelves stocked for the next coach...the best case obviously being that he gets us back to and wins a SECCG...

If he can land a top 10-15 class this year that is loaded with OL's and DL's then at the very least we'll have enough talent to start legitimately competing again by 2012...

And if we're not cometing at a high level by 2013 then at the least our football team will have enough talent for whoever replaces Dooley to reach a high level fast
 
#6
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Good post. One interesting observation on your predictions is if CDD goes 6-7, 7-6, 8-5, 8-5 at what point do we as Vol fans throw up the red flag. Given the talent level 6-7 wouldn't be too bad a job this year although I think another 1 or 2 wins is definitely doable. 7-6 in year 2 could at least be sold as an improvement, especially if he's recruiting well. I guess I wouldn't get too worked up until he went 8-5 in year 3 because by the third year you would hope to see substantial improvement from a new coach.
 
#7
#7
Good post. One interesting observation on your predictions is if CDD goes 6-7, 7-6, 8-5, 8-5 at what point do we as Vol fans throw up the red flag. Given the talent level 6-7 wouldn't be too bad a job this year although I think another 1 or 2 wins is definitely doable. 7-6 in year 2 could at least be sold as an improvement, especially if he's recruiting well. I guess I wouldn't get too worked up until he went 8-5 in year 3 because by the third year you would hope to see substantial improvement from a new coach.
It's about the whole body. I'd want him out after an 8-5 third season if he hadn't shown ability to compete with better teams, even if he couldn't necessarily beat them. As bad as things are, if he's here for 4 years and loses 5 each year, minimum, he better be on his way out.
 
#8
#8
First of all, let me say I hate all of those above terms, and I believe a person over the age of 13 who legitimately uses the word 'hater' to describe people should be extremely embarrassed.

Now, I'm not going to pretend I've completely changed my predictions about Dooley, but I do feel at least a little better than I did before, for a few reasons.

1. The reputation of the guy among certain fans, particularly LSU, has been great to hear. No one has a high opinion of the LaTech Job or Ruston. People really think he was nicely things turned around, and they seem to have an overall high opinion of him. Other in-conference fan bases have said Dooley is a major upgrade for us, but most of those are due to the fact that Dooley didn't give them any crap upon his arrival here. I don't care what Will Muschamp says, and I don't expect Saban would be perfectly honest in describing the guy, but I do believe LSU fans have at least some clue about the guy.

2. The staff, while not as good as the previous staff, in my opinion, looks to be capable. Looking at the points BSU gave up before and after the hire, Wilcox didn't look quite as good at first, but upon researching the guy more, it looks to be decent. I also like the Smith hire, and am glad we kept Chaney and Thompson. If anything, it keeps me from worrying about what may happen if some guys leave.

3.
Dooley seems to have a certain fire that makes me think he'll shoot for excellence. Nothing would be worse than a guy like Fulmer who just stares at mediocrity and claps in a way resembling the Gator chomp. If Dooley works hard, demands the staff do so as well, and holds players accountable for screw ups on and off the field, things could turn out well.

My current feelings: I still am not overly confident. I really, really want Dooley to succeed. Believe me, I haven't made close to 20,000 posts on this site because I want to increase my 'e-cred.' I love Tennessee and want them to succeed. Period. That being said, I still think he's over his head. He's just in a situation which I find to be incredibly difficult. You may be optimistic, but I'm not thrilled about hiring an unproven coach to beat rival coaches who, in the future, may be considered two of the greatest of all time.

My prediction for his tenure: Something along the lines of 6-7, 7-6, 8-5, and 8-5, resulting in his firing after 4 years or so. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not expecting it. I do not, however, believe that he'll be like Bill Battle was, and I think the next coach, hopefully a great one, will be able to come into a decent situation and compete for championships relatively quickly.

Bottom line:
I'm certainly not wishing anything bad on Tennessee, so I can feel smart. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, although I admittedly won't be so quick to give everyone else here credit, because I don't feel like everyone else is making rational, unbiased predictions. I do believe some people are optimistic based on what they really know about the guy, and they may turn out to be right, but I believe a lot of the optimistic people here simply aren't looking at the situation without bias.

To summarize: If Dooley wins, those of us who criticize him need to admit we were wrong. However, those who call us 'haters' also must be able to see it like it is if this isn't going so well. In my opinion, the problem with UT right now can be attributed to the failure to make the necessary changes when they were needed years ago, due to loyalty and optimism. We, as a fan base, need to support the head coach and team. However, we also need to demand excellence for the program we love. If we want to win, we have to stop accepting anything less.

Just like not everyone who likes Dooley is a 'blind sheep,' I'm most definitely not a bandwagon/fair-weather fan. If I was, I'd be rooting for Ohio State, which in all honesty, is a school I have much, much more connection to. However, I love and will continue to root for the Vols. Believe it or not, G8trH8tr Eric and Hatvol ultimately want the same thing for the Tennessee. I'm not saying we should cease to debate the hire, the present and the future, but we shouldn't absolutely loathe each other when doing it. It's getting hard to watch, and I imagine the only ones really enjoying it are Lawgator and some Yellowhammers. I'm not thrilled, we really do have to 'wait and see.' I just hope we realize that reaching the top will require excellence, and as fans of UT, we should do whatever we can to make sure we have that excellence. Sucking for a few years is one thing, and it happens to everyone. Sucking for a few years and refusing to address the problem is unacceptable.

It's time to get back to writing my report (unfortunately, engineering isn't quite as exciting as football), so I'll simply leave it at this. We all want the same thing. We'll get it, too. I just hope it's sooner, rather than later. Let's just try to avoid killing each other in the mean time.

Drastic understatement, IMO
 
#9
#9
Good post. I would be surprised to see a 4th year if his first three go like that though and especially if recruiting is perceived to be suffering.

The only thing I really take exception to is him being in over his head- not necessarily saying he isn't... just wondering who on earth wouldn't be right now.

I still believe the situation is exactly why so many guys higher on the wish list said no thanks.
 
#11
#11
Excellent post... again! It's reasoned opinions like these that are helpful.

#2 is the one that gives me the greatest source of optimism. I even wonder if there isn't a future UT HFC in those ranks.
 
#12
#12
Nice post.. If we loose every game, To me "We are still the best team in the country".. GO VOLS!!!:rock:
 
#13
#13
IMHO, if UT does not show serious signs of life in '11 then the search needs to start so they're ready after '12. We should have a very, very good idea of whether DD can get it done after next year. He inherited two top 10 recruiting classes and has a good opportunity for another this year. If he recruits, coaches, develops, and retains those players then he should have enough talent to compete and win in '11.

If I were in MH's shoes, there's no way he gets a 4th year unless he challenges for the East at a minimum in the first three.
 
#14
#14
Good post. I would be surprised to see a 4th year if his first three go like that though and especially if recruiting is perceived to be suffering.

The only thing I really take exception to is him being in over his head- not necessarily saying he isn't... just wondering who on earth wouldn't be right now.

I still believe the situation is exactly why so many guys higher on the wish list said no thanks.

A coach that has proven he can build programs.

I would have loved to have seen Jim Leavitt here.
 
#17
#17
Not sure if serious. :crazy:

Why wouldn't I be?

He's actually got a resume. He built the USF program from the ground up. He turned down Miami and Alabama.

He got fired over a whiny ass walk-on.

I'll take a coach that went to a bowl game for 5 straight seasons over a 17-20 WAC coach.
 
#19
#19
That's a pretty solid assessment that is close to how I feel minus I'm not ready to make any predictions on record yet.

The two things positives that make me thing he can turn out very well is that -

1. Fans from other fan bases that I am friends with genuinely think he'll do well here.

2. I like his staff and I have been told by many his philosophy is to serve as a CEO and surround himself with great assistants.
 
#20
#20
A coach that has proven he can build programs.

I would have loved to have seen Jim Leavitt here.

Leavitt would be about as good as any but he wouldn't get the time either. He was also in FL and not getting the talent that would have seriously competed with Bama or UF.

The highest his teams ever finished in 2 seasons CUSA and 5 seasons Big East is 3rd.

I know he overcame alot of problems but he never really produced the results that would get him more than 3 years at UT unless he had real success.
 
#21
#21
That's a pretty solid assessment that is close to how I feel minus I'm not ready to make any predictions on record yet.

The two things positives that make me thing he can turn out very well is that -

1. Fans from other fan bases that I am friends with genuinely think he'll do well here.

2. I like his staff and I have been told by many his philosophy is to serve as a CEO and surround himself with great assistants.

That's one good thing about DD.
 
#22
#22
First of all, let me say I hate all of those above terms, and I believe a person over the age of 13 who legitimately uses the word 'hater' to describe people should be extremely embarrassed.

Now, I'm not going to pretend I've completely changed my predictions about Dooley, but I do feel at least a little better than I did before, for a few reasons.

1. The reputation of the guy among certain fans, particularly LSU, has been great to hear. No one has a high opinion of the LaTech Job or Ruston. People really think he was nicely things turned around, and they seem to have an overall high opinion of him. Other in-conference fan bases have said Dooley is a major upgrade for us, but most of those are due to the fact that Dooley didn't give them any crap upon his arrival here. I don't care what Will Muschamp says, and I don't expect Saban would be perfectly honest in describing the guy, but I do believe LSU fans have at least some clue about the guy.

2. The staff, while not as good as the previous staff, in my opinion, looks to be capable. Looking at the points BSU gave up before and after the hire, Wilcox didn't look quite as good at first, but upon researching the guy more, it looks to be a solid hire. I also like the Smith hire, and am glad we kept Chaney and Thompson. If anything, it keeps me from worrying about what may happen if some guys leave.

3.
Dooley seems to have a certain fire that makes me think he'll shoot for excellence. Nothing would be worse than a guy like Fulmer who just stares at mediocrity and claps in a way resembling the Gator chomp. If Dooley works hard, demands the staff do so as well, and holds players accountable for screw ups on and off the field, things could turn out well.

My current feelings: I still am not overly confident. I really, really want Dooley to succeed. Believe me, I haven't made close to 20,000 posts on this site because I want to increase my 'e-cred.' I love Tennessee and want them to succeed. Period. That being said, I still think he's over his head. He's just in a situation which I find to be incredibly difficult. You may be optimistic, but I'm not thrilled about hiring an unproven coach to beat rival coaches who, in the future, may be considered two of the greatest of all time.

My prediction for his tenure: Something along the lines of 6-7, 7-6, 8-5, and 8-5, resulting in his firing after 4 years or so. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not expecting it. I do not, however, believe that he'll be like Bill Battle was, and I think the next coach, hopefully a great one, will be able to come into a decent situation and compete for championships relatively quickly.

Bottom line:
I'm certainly not wishing anything bad on Tennessee, so I can feel smart. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, although I admittedly won't be so quick to give everyone else here credit, because I don't feel like everyone else is making rational, unbiased predictions. I do believe some people are optimistic based on what they really know about the guy, and they may turn out to be right, but I believe a lot of the optimistic people here simply aren't looking at the situation without bias.

To summarize: If Dooley wins, those of us who criticize him need to admit we were wrong. However, those who call us 'haters' also must be able to see it like it is if this isn't going so well. In my opinion, the problem with UT right now can be attributed to the failure to make the necessary changes when they were needed years ago, due to loyalty and optimism. We, as a fan base, need to support the head coach and team. However, we also need to demand excellence for the program we love. If we want to win, we have to stop accepting anything less.

Just like not everyone who likes Dooley is a 'blind sheep,' I'm most definitely not a bandwagon/fair-weather fan. If I was, I'd be rooting for Ohio State, which in all honesty, is a school I have much, much more connection to. However, I love and will continue to root for the Vols. Believe it or not, G8trH8tr Eric and Hatvol ultimately want the same thing for the Tennessee. I'm not saying we should cease to debate the hire, the present and the future, but we shouldn't absolutely loathe each other when doing it. It's getting hard to watch, and I imagine the only ones really enjoying it are Lawgator and some Yellowhammers. I'm not thrilled, we really do have to 'wait and see.' I just hope we realize that reaching the top will require excellence, and as fans of UT, we should do whatever we can to make sure we have that excellence. Sucking for a few years is one thing, and it happens to everyone. Sucking for a few years and refusing to address the problem is unacceptable.

It's time to get back to writing my report (unfortunately, engineering isn't quite as exciting as football), so I'll simply leave it at this. We all want the same thing. We'll get it, too. I just hope it's sooner, rather than later. Let's just try to avoid killing each other in the mean time.

I will hold my criticism until after he's been given a fair chance to succeed and we are simply not seeing results on the field. JMO....fwiw

Things such as hard work, determination, and effort will be things that can be judged very quickly

Developing talent, recruiting players to play his style and seeing results from that will take longer most likely
 
#23
#23
Leavitt would be about as good as any but he wouldn't get the time either. He was also in FL and not getting the talent that would have seriously competed with Bama or UF.

The highest his teams ever finished in 2 seasons CUSA and 5 seasons Big East is 3rd.

I know he overcame alot of problems but he never really produced the results that would get him more than 3 years at UT unless he had real success.

I have faith in Leavitt finding "real" success at a big time school in the near future.

Don't forget that he built USF from absolutely nothing.
 
#25
#25
That's a pretty solid assessment that is close to how I feel minus I'm not ready to make any predictions on record yet.

The two things positives that make me thing he can turn out very well is that -

1. Fans from other fan bases that I am friends with genuinely think he'll do well here.

2. I like his staff and I have been told by many his philosophy is to serve as a CEO and surround himself with great assistants.
I'm not overly confident in the records. It's just a quick guess. A lot can happen between now and 2013.
 

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