A different attitude toward our struggles.

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gasguy98

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Well it is not 90's anymore and our once national championship contending Vols have hit rock bottom. Gone are the assumed 9-10 win seasons. Now we are hoping for a conference win.
It sucks but there is nothing any of us can do about it but continue to support the team.

I for one have accepted the reality of the situation and have given myself an attitude ajustment and now look at the picture differently.

I am excited about watching the Tennessee Volunteers be "reborn". Many of you that are a little older saw rock bottom in the 1970's and saw the rebirth in the mid 80's.
When the rebirth occurred it was a feeling of great satisfaction.

We WILL get better, we have nowhere to go but up. In the next 3 years (god I hope it doesn't take 5-8 years like it did Majors) we will be winning games again, maybe like the Tennessee teams of the mid 80's. Hopefully in 4-5 years we will start to resemble the now deceased teams of the mid 90's.

I am going to do my best to enjoy the journey. Not that I won't get pissed when we get beaten by 20 points by a rival but I accept the situation for what it is.

I just hope Dooley is the guy...
 
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gasguy98 said:
Well it is not 90's anymore and our once national championship contending Vols have hit rock bottom. Gone are the assumed 9-10 win seasons. Now we are hoping for a conference win.
It sucks but there is nothing any of us can do about it but continue to support the team.

I for one have accepted the reality of the situation and have given myself an attitude ajustment and now look at the picture differently.

I am excited about watching the Tennessee Volunteers be "reborn". Many of you that are a little older saw rock bottom in the 1970's and saw the rebirth in the mid 80's.
When the rebirth occurred it was a feeling of great satisfaction.

We WILL get better, we have nowhere to go but up. In the next 3 years (god I hope it doesn't take 5-8 years like it did Majors) we will be winning games again, maybe like the Tennessee teams of the mid 80's. Hopefully in 4-5 years we will start to resemble the now deceased teams of the mid 90's.

I am going to do my best to enjoy the journey. Not that I won't get pissed when we get beaten by 20 points by a rival but I accept the situation for what it is.

I just hope Dooley is the guy...
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This thing started going down hill when Cutcliffe left the first time, which made me realize that more than likely he was the brains behind Phil's success. And when we started getting better again upon his return, just to lose that momentum again with his last departure, that was proof enough for me. I was hopeful Cutcliffe would get the job after Phil was fired. Hopes dashed. Again after Kiffin I was praying he would get the job. Dashed again. Some people say we had no longterm gain with him. In my opinion we didn't long term gain, we needed immediate proven leadership by soemone who has been here before and knows UT. Cutcliffe could have groomed an assistant to take over for him. Just my opinion. Hamilton's insistance on micromanaging him and forcing his assistant coaching hires is why he's not here. Ugh... I know alot of people on here are going to bash me for saying that, but oh well it won't be the first it's happened lol. "What if's and could have's" don't matter anyway.

I like Dooley a lot as a person and like you, hope he is "that guy". :rock:
 
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David Cutcliffe couldn't recruit well enough at Ole Miss to keep his job. Didn't recruit at all hardly in the short time he returned here 06, 07. One of if not the main reason they're starting all freshmen for the most part on the Oline. Phil should have looked elsewhere in 2006 for a OC. Cutcliffe was a temporary patch in a leaky hull. The SS Fultanic was going to sink one way or the other, Cutcliffe just helped delay it.
 
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Joe Vols said:
This thing started going down hill when Cutcliffe left the first time, which made me realize that more than likely he was the brains behind Phil's success. And when we started getting better again upon his return, just to lose that momentum again with his last departure, that was proof enough for me. I was hopeful Cutcliffe would get the job after Phil was fired. Hopes dashed. Again after Kiffin I was praying he would get the job. Dashed again. Some people say we had no longterm gain with him. In my opinion we didn't long term gain, we needed immediate proven leadership by soemone who has been here before and knows UT. Cutcliffe could have groomed an assistant to take over for him. Just my opinion. Hamilton's insistance on micromanaging him and forcing his assistant coaching hires is why he's not here. Ugh... I know alot of people on here are going to bash me for saying that, but oh well it won't be the first it's happened lol. "What if's and could have's" don't matter anyway.

I like Dooley a lot as a person and like you, hope he is "that guy". :rock:
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Cut has never been a real consideration for the UT job at least after he left the last time. There were rumors and he saved face by turning down a job he wasnt offered. He might have been contacted but he wasnt going to get the job. His winning record at Duke is as pitiful as DD's at La Tech. I think DD is the man and we will be back...
 
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I agree with Gasguy... Unfortunately I have had to take my hopes and dreams of a halfway decent season in the East and stash them away for another season. As I watch my Vols play; however, I can see a glimmer of what we were/can be/will be in the coming years. Dooley looks to be a solid coach who knows the game and has soaked up the Vols history and culture. I think with his "recruiting prowess" we can get back to the days when we were a contender in the East. Our line has nowhere to go but up in experience and that is a good thing. Sometimes learning under fire can teach you lessons you can't learn otherwise. I am stoked about what I see in our team and look forward to singing rockytop under the flag on my front porch once again. Here's to the big T.
 
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Cartervol said:
David Cutcliffe couldn't recruit well enough at Ole Miss to keep his job. Didn't recruit at all hardly in the short time he returned here 06, 07. One of if not the main reason they're starting all freshmen for the most part on the Oline. Phil should have looked elsewhere in 2006 for a OC. Cutcliffe was a temporary patch in a leaky hull. The SS Fultanic was going to sink one way or the other, Cutcliffe just helped delay it.
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Just like the wolrd may never know how many licks it takes to get to the center of tootsie pop, your opinion may be right and my opinion may be wrong. In reality they are both just opinions, supported only by our egos.
 
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Mason72 said:
Cut has never been a real consideration for the UT job at least after he left the last time. There were rumors and he saved face by turning down a job he wasnt offered. He might have been contacted but he wasnt going to get the job. His winning record at Duke is as pitiful as DD's at La Tech. I think DD is the man and we will be back...
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That's a mistake IMO, but just like the world may never know how many licks it takes to get to the center of tootsie pop, your opinion may be right and my opinion may be wrong. In reality they are both just opinions, supported only by our egos. Of course you stating definitely that Dooley is the right guy for this job, which means he will return us to at least 2 SECC every decade according to the standards of some of the posters on here or he will be as terrible as Fulmer was, will in the future become fossilized in the history books. I hope you're right because it's a lot funner to watch UT win than lose.
 
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Mason72 said:
Cut has never been a real consideration for the UT job at least after he left the last time. There were rumors and he saved face by turning down a job he wasnt offered. He might have been contacted but he wasnt going to get the job. His winning record at Duke is as pitiful as DD's at La Tech. I think DD is the man and we will be back...
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To be fair to both Dooley and Cut, you can't measure coaching ability by their records at Duke and La Tech. Now if Dooley can't win at UT, with our rich tradition, then you can judge his coaching ability. I hope he is "that guy" because I want UT to win, but I'm not gonna blow smoke or post hopes as facts. Some call it negavolism, I choose to call it reality. Love or hate Pearl, but he can obviously coach basketball, at least compared to our programs tradition anyway.
 
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I thought everyone wanted to hire "out of the family" wasn't Cutcliffe called CPF lite and everyone would boycott games and merchandise if he was hired? Well you got the out of family hire! I think CDD is an excellent coach he has the gene pool but only one thing is missing, TIME!
 
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Cartervol said:
David Cutcliffe couldn't recruit well enough at Ole Miss to keep his job. Didn't recruit at all hardly in the short time he returned here 06, 07. One of if not the main reason they're starting all freshmen for the most part on the Oline. Phil should have looked elsewhere in 2006 for a OC. Cutcliffe was a temporary patch in a leaky hull. The SS Fultanic was going to sink one way or the other, Cutcliffe just helped delay it.
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Has anybody really every recruited well at Ole Miss? They have a racist mascot which is one strike against them IMO. He's coached 2 superbowl winning QB's in his lifetime. Not too many other coaches can say that. I thought great recruiters were hired by head coaches? If that isn't the case then why did we hire 2 former recruiters who worked for head coaches, as head coaches? "That logic is illogical."
 
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Joe Vols said:
Has anybody really every recruited well at Ole Miss? They have a racist mascot which is one strike against them IMO. He's coached 2 superbowl winning QB's in his lifetime. Not too many other coaches can say that. I thought great recruiters were hired by head coaches? If that isn't the case then why did we hire 2 former recruiters who worked for head coaches, as head coaches? "That logic is illogical."
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Orgeron and Nutt have done pretty well.
 
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tvols75 said:
Orgeron and Nutt have done pretty well.
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Really? You're saying that Nutt is being successful at Ole Miss right now? And if Orgeron had been successful there, he would still be there. You're not building an open and shut case against Cut IMO.
 
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GoBigOrange98 said:
I thought everyone wanted to hire "out of the family" wasn't Cutcliffe called CPF lite and everyone would boycott games and merchandise if he was hired? Well you got the out of family hire! I think CDD is an excellent coach he has the gene pool but only one thing is missing, TIME!
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Hiring outside of the UT family is just a different way of thinking, but not necessarily the only correct solution. You left one thing out, time and proof. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, I want DD to succeed. I am just not willing to say he will be successful, only time will tell. But you are right, we all need to give him more time to prove himself, with that I will not disagree.
 
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Mason72 said:
Cut has never been a real consideration for the UT job at least after he left the last time. There were rumors and he saved face by turning down a job he wasnt offered. He might have been contacted but he wasnt going to get the job. His winning record at Duke is as pitiful as DD's at La Tech. I think DD is the man and we will be back...
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he never got a formal offer because he turned the stipulations that he would have to agree to for an offer. But he was a real consideration.

there were several coaches gauged for interest in the UT job prior to the Dooley hire. Cut was one of 4 coaches (Dooley, Sumlin and Brown were others) who would have taken job had details been worked out and an offer put in place.

Everyone else excused themselves from consideration before getting close to offer stages.
 
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Mason72 said:
Cut has never been a real consideration for the UT job at least after he left the last time.
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He was seriously considered, perhaps even led for the job. Hamilton wanted him to keep the Kiffin holdovers, but Cut didn't. It came down to control.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Well it is not 90's anymore and our once national championship contending Vols have hit rock bottom. Gone are the assumed 9-10 win seasons. Now we are hoping for a conference win.
It sucks but there is nothing any of us can do about it but continue to support the team.

I for one have accepted the reality of the situation and have given myself an attitude ajustment and now look at the picture differently.

I am excited about watching the Tennessee Volunteers be "reborn". Many of you that are a little older saw rock bottom in the 1970's and saw the rebirth in the mid 80's.
When the rebirth occurred it was a feeling of great satisfaction.

We WILL get better, we have nowhere to go but up. In the next 3 years (god I hope it doesn't take 5-8 years like it did Majors) we will be winning games again, maybe like the Tennessee teams of the mid 80's. Hopefully in 4-5 years we will start to resemble the now deceased teams of the mid 90's.

I am going to do my best to enjoy the journey. Not that I won't get pissed when we get beaten by 20 points by a rival but I accept the situation for what it is.

I just hope Dooley is the guy...
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You mean getting routinely humiliated by Florida in different and exciting fashions and falling short of championships?
 
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gasguy98 said:
Hopefully in 4-5 years we will start to resemble the now deceased teams of the mid 90's.
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at the end of 1999 as I reviewed that season and looked back over the previous decade I thought to myself, I should have spent even more time enjoying this period. I knew at that point something had just occurred that was not likely going to happen again in my lifetime.

Florida is showing this year that an attempt at repeating what Tennessee did in 90s is extremely difficult. 4 year period, UT was 45-5. No one has had a 4 year record like that since SEC expansion but Tennessee. Not sure we will ever see someone do it again.
 
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Cut was an incredible OC. He can't recruit and shouldn't ever be considered as a HC for this university. Duke hasn't progressed under his watch and Ole Miss after Manning sucked as well. Anyway, Fulmer gave him a chance in 2006 and Cut left us for the sisters of the poor. I consider him to be a traitor and hope he gets fired.
 
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Some coach very well, others very recruit well, few do both very well. A good HC will have a staff that has talented coaches and coordinators along with a few really good recruiters. He'll set the standard for what he is looking for in regards to both game strategy as well as recruiting and be savvy enough to understand where and when his personal influence is needed to win games or recruits.

The fact is we have a coaching staff with 7 freshmen and 2 sophomores. Ok, they've all coached before, but never together as a coaching staff. As the coaching staff grows together, along with the maturity of the players, I think we'll see surprising amount of improvement.
 
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