A case for Warren

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VolSwaff

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did anyone see our 4 receiver set we used in the 1st quarter of last saturdays game??

Did you notice the 2 TE's that were used as slots on a 3rd and long pass play!!!?!?!?!?!??

Stocker and Cottam

SERIOUSLY are they actually trying to lose games at this point?

Is there something im missing? Is there something that we the fans are seeing that the select few in the coaching staff aren't?
 
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Watching Fulmer and co. on the sidelines reminds me of watching Dumb and Dumber. Albeit, a less funny, more depressing Dumb and Dumber.

Harry: [shivering] Lloyd, I can't feel my fingers, they're numb!
Lloyd: Oh well here, take this extra pair of gloves, my hands are starting to get a little sweaty.
Harry: Extra gloves? You've had extra gloves this whole time?
Lloyd: Uh yea, we are in the Rocky's. Jeez!
 
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the.one.the.only said:
Watching Fulmer and co. on the sidelines reminds me of watching Dumb and Dumber. Albeit, a less funny, more depressing Dumb and Dumber.

Harry: [shivering] Lloyd, I can't feel my fingers, they're numb!
Lloyd: Oh well here, take this extra pair of gloves, my hands are starting to get a little sweaty.
Harry: Extra gloves? You've had extra gloves this whole time?
Lloyd: Uh yea, we are in the Rocky's. Jeez!
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"i gotta pee..."
"just go, man..."
 
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VolSwaff said:
did anyone see our 4 receiver set we used in the 1st quarter of last saturdays game??

Did you notice the 2 TE's that were used as slots on a 3rd and long pass play!!!?!?!?!?!??

Stocker and Cottam

SERIOUSLY are they actually trying to lose games at this point?

Is there something im missing? Is there something that we the fans are seeing that the select few in the coaching staff aren't?
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Stocker at Cottam are both ~6'8". It creates mismatches. That's why TE's are used to catch. There's no denying that Warren should be utilized more, but it's not like having two HUGE targets is trying to lose.
 
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I have absolutely 0 confidence that the best playmakers are seeing the field. This staff, and mainly the head coach, just doesn't get it.
 
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I find it hard to believe that fulmer has anything to do with the offensive play calling.Take the UGA game only had 11 run plays.

But either way he is screwed he is the head coach.
 
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jwells said:
Stocker at Cottam are both ~6'8". It creates mismatches. That's why TE's are used to catch. There's no denying that Warren should be utilized more, but it's not like having two HUGE targets is trying to lose.
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If this is the case then why do we not see EJ Abrams-Ward?...He is a monster of a WR and would easily make it hard to match up with him...I will have to disagree and say it is because there is something we do not know or the coaches are just that stupid!
 
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I am confused why everyone thinks Brandon Warren is so great????? Is it because he was an ACC All American?? Because if you have not watched our games this year that guy has as many catches as he does drops. Yeah he caught a deep ball against UAB wow!!! Yeah we should def put him on the field but not at Tight End because he is 1 dimensional he can only run routes and from my buddy on the team said he cant even do that right.....So until Warren learns the offense and makes a few more plays what makes you think he deserves to play over two guys who have been working hard.
Heck even in the paper it said that Warren has been getting to practice early and staying late because he is trying to learn the offense better so he can get in the game.
 
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m37bruno said:
I am confused why everyone thinks Brandon Warren is so great????? Is it because he was an ACC All American?? Because if you have not watched our games this year that guy has as many catches as he does drops. Yeah he caught a deep ball against UAB wow!!! Yeah we should def put him on the field but not at Tight End because he is 1 dimensional he can only run routes and from my buddy on the team said he cant even do that right.....So until Warren learns the offense and makes a few more plays what makes you think he deserves to play over two guys who have been working hard.
Heck even in the paper it said that Warren has been getting to practice early and staying late because he is trying to learn the offense better so he can get in the game.
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maybe it is because he was a freshman all-american at Florida State where they found a way to get him on the field as a freshman and he caught 28 for 300+ yards
 
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m37bruno said:
i am confused why everyone thinks brandon warren is so great????? Is it because he was an acc all american?? Because if you have not watched our games this year that guy has as many catches as he does drops. Yeah he caught a deep ball against uab wow!!! Yeah we should def put him on the field but not at tight end because he is 1 dimensional he can only run routes and from my buddy on the team said he cant even do that right.....so until warren learns the offense and makes a few more plays what makes you think he deserves to play over two guys who have been working hard.
heck even in the paper it said that warren has been getting to practice early and staying late because he is trying to learn the offense better so he can get in the game.
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cpf?
 
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Who plays more underclassmen than any other schools in the SEC? Alabama and Florida, and how are their programs doing? It baffles me as the standard line at Tn. is that "they", tpyical the underclassmen, have not learned the system! How many years has this been said?

Either Ala. and Fla. recruit more intelligent players, our players simply are not as smart, or our system is too complicated, or this is just the same old lame excuse for keeping non-productive upperclassmen in the line-up. What is it Fulmer?

Well Phil you are reaping the benefits of not playing the best players, and we, as fans, are seeming the end results of your complicated system!! Hope you leave soon!
 
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joc said:
Who plays more underclassmen than any other schools in the SEC? Alabama and Florida, and how are their programs doing? It baffles me as the standard line at Tn. is that "they", tpyical the underclassmen, have not learned the system! How many years has this been said?

Either Ala. and Fla. recruit more intelligent players, our players simply are not as smart, or our system is too complicated, or this is just the same old lame excuse for keeping non-productive upperclassmen in the line-up. What is it Fulmer?

Well Phil you are reaping the benefits of not playing the best players, and we, as fans, are seeming the end results of your complicated system!! Hope you leave soon!
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My brother played at UA, I can attest that this is not the case:)
 
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G0V0LS33 said:
If this is the case then why do we not see EJ Abrams-Ward?...He is a monster of a WR and would easily make it hard to match up with him...I will have to disagree and say it is because there is something we do not know or the coaches are just that stupid!
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Size isn't everything, but when you play TE, it's a lot of it. Two big run-blockers that also give the threat of receiving is mismatch. That's why they're so big.

Warren is a DE converted to TE, who was used as a receiver at FSU. We need to get him out as more of a slot- or h-back than we do a true TE. Let him run routes, but leave the big nasty TE's to do the heavy blocking.
 
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00FattyT said:
maybe it is because he was a freshman all-american at Florida State where they found a way to get him on the field as a freshman and he caught 28 for 300+ yards
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Austin Rogers caught 56 for 600+ and there've been people on this very board ponder if he's not the worst WR in college football. Warren may well be leading the team in total drops at this point and guarantee he's leading the team drops per opportunity.

Look, I LIKE Warren. I like the idea of athletic TE's in general but I'm completely baffled by the idea that because we don't have the guy running the W-Gun or whatever is why we're losing games. Not to mention the idea that coaches with, quite literally, their careers on the line would be unwilling to play a guy more if he'd shown he was that kind of difference maker.
 
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jwells said:
Size isn't everything, but when you play TE, it's a lot of it. Two big run-blockers that also give the threat of receiving is mismatch. That's why they're so big.

Warren is a DE converted to TE, who was used as a receiver at FSU. We need to get him out as more of a slot- or h-back than we do a true TE. Let him run routes, but leave the big nasty TE's to do the heavy blocking.
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90% of women would disagree with you......j/k. I agree with using Warren more as a h back. When Colston first got to the Saints, he was drafted as a TE. When they started moving him out to the slot, he became a lot more dangerous and productive.
 
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I have posted about this before and am still baffled by the reports from fall practice about how great Brandon was doing and even heard comments about him being a "game breaker" and "a difference maker". If he is this far along and doesn't understand our offense, what does that say about our coaches ability to teach. Apparently he understood the Florida State offense pretty well to make freshman All-American. Our offense does not seem to be that complicated to me. Fla and Ga figured it out pretty well in a week and I doubt they have many Rhodes Scholars on their teams.
 
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jwells said:
Size isn't everything, but when you play TE, it's a lot of it. Two big run-blockers that also give the threat of receiving is mismatch. That's why they're so big.
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Go back and read the first post under the thread.

Cottam can't outrun most DE's. and Stocker couldn't create a mismatch with any of UGA's LB's, but they were both out there on a 3rd and long with Warren on the sideline.
 
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seems we would be running more if we needed blocking tight ends. Sad to see an all american go to 3rd string.
 
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The best players at UT never see the field for example last year Austin Rogers who should be playing in the SoCon at best and he's playing over Denarius Moore who is a great athlete as well as Gerald Jones and playmaker not to mention some other receivers like Kenny O'neal who never got a chance and could fly. You're not gonna win in the SEC playing favorites and having the playmakers watch the game with the rest of us that's high school ball and it would be a nice fit for Fulmer if you ask me. Now we have two big Egor tight ends that are no mismatch in the slot let me tell you they dont have the speed to scare anyone Brandon Warren should be starting period instead of one of Fulmer's boys who can't catch Malaria in the Amazon.

and i thank you
 
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Willthathrill said:
The best players at UT never see the field for example last year Austin Rogers who should be playing in the SoCon at best and he's playing over Denarius Moore who is a great athlete as well as Gerald Jones and playmaker not to mention some other receivers like Kenny O'neal who never got a chance and could fly. You're not gonna win in the SEC playing favorites and having the playmakers watch the game with the rest of us that's high school ball and it would be a nice fit for Fulmer if you ask me. Now we have two big Egor tight ends that are no mismatch in the slot let me tell you they dont have the speed to scare anyone Brandon Warren should be starting period instead of one of Fulmer's boys who can't catch Malaria in the Amazon.

and i thank you
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That's nonsensical. Moore came out of nowhere and was catching passes from the first game of his Fr year. Jones would have too if not for a hamstring injury and started playing as soon as he was healthy enough.

Kenny O'Neal? You're kidding, right? Yeah, he was fast, so was Leonard Scott.

The "Fulmer won't play X" player is a myth of epic proportions. LWS (I think) put up a post of all the Fr that have played for Fulmer and it's a looong one yet to hear some people talk Fulmer sits everybody 'til halfway through their Sr year just because. It's demonstrably false.

If you want to criticize how well Fulmer coaches and utilizes those players you've got more leeway with the facts.
 
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hndog609 said:
Austin Rogers caught 56 for 600+ and there've been people on this very board ponder if he's not the worst WR in college football. Warren may well be leading the team in total drops at this point and guarantee he's leading the team drops per opportunity.

Look, I LIKE Warren. I like the idea of athletic TE's in general but I'm completely baffled by the idea that because we don't have the guy running the W-Gun or whatever is why we're losing games. Not to mention the idea that coaches with, quite literally, their careers on the line would be unwilling to play a guy more if he'd shown he was that kind of difference maker.
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Oh I want him on the field too I think he could help but not at Tight End, he is too little. He needs to play the slot like Brett Smith played last year.
 
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Willthathrill said:
The best players at UT never see the field for example last year Austin Rogers who should be playing in the SoCon at best and he's playing over Denarius Moore who is a great athlete as well as Gerald Jones and playmaker not to mention some other receivers like Kenny O'neal who never got a chance and could fly. You're not gonna win in the SEC playing favorites and having the playmakers watch the game with the rest of us that's high school ball and it would be a nice fit for Fulmer if you ask me. Now we have two big Egor tight ends that are no mismatch in the slot let me tell you they dont have the speed to scare anyone Brandon Warren should be starting period instead of one of Fulmer's boys who can't catch Malaria in the Amazon.

So Stocker had 1 bad game and you think he cant catch??? Warren has played and has dropped more then anyone on the team with the amount of throws coming his way. Warren has been coming to practice early and staying late because I think the staff wants to get him on the field but until he understands that this is the SEC not the ACC that teams play sound defense and not knowing what your doing, will just hurt the team, than he is not playing. He is very athletic but not enough to overcome not knowing his routes
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I don't think Brandon Warren has the distinction of having the most drops per try on this team because he has too much competition. I think that record may belong to Austin "stone hands" Rogers IMO.
 
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