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#101
#101
hatvol96 said:
When multiple sheep have been babbling about the "progress" made the last two weeks, that's a pretty valid reason to limit the analysis to those games.
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Come on, Hat, I don't even like your posts, but I'm sure you can do better than that. Your response is equivalent to saying, "your momma!" when you have no intelligent response.
 
#102
#102
hatvol96 said:
When multiple sheep have been babbling about the "progress" made the last two weeks, that's a pretty valid reason to limit the analysis to those games.
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Loose interpretation... so because you're disappointed that "some" UT fans have been pleased with the "progress" (a very relative term) the team has shown the last two games, you took it upon yourself to use one statistic to try and haul the sheep to slaughter?

Glad you're on our side.
 
#103
#103
Fullfillmer said:
Dude - you really had to work to somehow include the UAB stats into any analysis of the game yesterday. Since we were missing 4 key starters for UAB that played yesterday clearly we are significantly better with those athletes on the field.

Uh lets see - our top rb, our top receiver, our quickest linebacker, and a cover corner.

We are improving and baring injuries you will see it as the season progresses. If you can't bring something stronger than this - please stick to bball.

Other than 2 or 3 coaching / officiating issues - by far the best game that we have played all year.
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So, at our best, LSU outgains us 2-1. Awesome. Good to know limiting a team with those two superb QBs to just under 450 yards is "improvement."
 
#105
#105
VolBurgers said:
Florida outgained bama last night

guess who dominated that game

:eek:lol:
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Burger..I read the entire thread and ur correct...People that cannot see the improvement in several units of this team, particularly run OL play and QB do not understand football, although I am disappointed in the experienced OLB players on run support and bubble screens.Three TF and two sophomores on that OL and Poole runs for 100+ against one of the best defenses in the country. I find that rather amazing myself. We could not do that against Florida in the 90's with Jamal Lewis and a veteran line.


Our team with all its negative factors played an extremely talented LSU team on the road to the end.
None should ever discount the factors of turnovers in a game and at least (2) INT's we grabbed were great defensive plays, not gifts.
 
#106
#106
IBlvNTmWrk said:
First of all, it wasn't properly interpreted. Hat used one statistic and implied that the "team" wasn't showing improvement. That would be a misinterpretation as there are numerous stats that should be used, and there are certainly others that do show improvement.

Second, Hat used the last two games for his comparison and not the full season. That would also be a misinterpretation as there is no valid reason to exclude the first three games.

Third, since we don't play the same team each week (which would be the control group for monitoring improvement) his use of that stat is also a misinterpretation. In other words, if we played UA and UF the first two weeks, and three UTM equivalents the next three weeks would it be a reliable statistic to say we've made improvement? When playing against different teams it is likely a better statistic to compare our stats against our opponent and the opponents average stats excluding our game.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the argument of whether or not the team (statistically) has shown improvement, as that would take further analysis. However, imo they seem to be playing more consistently throughout the entire game and I believe that is an indicator of improvement. Also, imo... I see very few posters who are blinded by faith and don't realize this team isn't equipped to compete as yet, but that doesn't mean they can't be optimistic and supportive of the team.
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That's a much better post. All are points worth discussion and are based on far better logic.

My point would be that we were far more dominated on the line of scrimmage than a 16-14 score with a win blown by a silly penalty would indicate. And, the difference in total yards is a great starting point. The drive when the game was on the line is a second point. And, the fact that the coaches on the other side of the ball from our defense are not exactly world-class would be a third.

I'd agree that more analysis would be needed to develop the logic you seek to attack here, but I don't see that as part of my forthcoming effort either.:)

I certainly don't see control groups as a tractable means for testing these hypotheses, but accept the rationale as how one could more ideally conceptualize and test such comparisons, yet the resulting evidence would still be stochastic and fail against any deterministic standard. Thus, some level of speculation is required, even under the idealistic scenario for testing you proposed.

Nonetheless, thank you for bringing some thought back into the thread. :hi:
 
#107
#107
peerless98 said:
Come on, Hat, I don't even like your posts, but I'm sure you can do better than that. Your response is equivalent to saying, "your momma!" when you have no intelligent response.
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Let's see. I was responding to the people clamoring about the fictional "improvement" the last two weeks. Which games should I have referenced? The 1966 Auburn game and the 1938 tilt against Vanderbilt?
 
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#108
To the OP....

Florida out gained Bama, wonder if they feel good about that today? Who gives a **** about stats? Use your eyes. Our guys looked improved while playing a physically superior team. Not impressive, but improved. They can't magically gain 3 years of experience, weight training, technique drills, composure...... overnight.

Just because you feel a certain way about our coach does not mean you should demean our boys who obviously poured everything they had into this ball game on the road. You should just commend them for their effort, hang your head for a day, and move on... just as our team should.

I feel sorry for you. Your existence as a Vol fan must be a dreadful experience. I watch and pull for the same team you do, go through the same ups and downs, but for some reason you feel the need to try to point out the negative, and try to make other fan's experience less enjoyable. Its easy to be a good fan when you are winning every game. That is not when the team needs you. The team and the program in general need true fans in the situation we are in now.

I for one am proud to be a vol every single day... not necessarily satisfied every day... but proud. Your attitude does other fans, the team, and yourself no good right now. None whatsoever. So do us all a favor and live by the motto "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

GBO
 
#110
#110
OHvol40 said:
To the OP....

Florida out gained Bama, wonder if they feel good about that today? Who gives a **** about stats? Use your eyes. Our guys looked improved while playing a physically superior team. Not impressive, but improved. They can't magically gain 3 years of experience, weight training, technique drills, composure...... overnight.

Just because you feel a certain way about our coach does not mean you should demean our boys who obviously poured everything they had into this ball game on the road. You should just commend them for their effort, hang your head for a day, and move on... just as our team should.

I feel sorry for you. Your existence as a Vol fan must be a dreadful experience. I watch and pull for the same team you do, go through the same ups and downs, but for some reason you feel the need to try to point out the negative, and try to make other fan's experience less enjoyable. Its easy to be a good fan when you are winning every game. That is not when the team needs you. The team and the program in general need true fans in the situation we are in now.

I for one am proud to be a vol every single day... not necessarily satisfied every day... but proud. Your attitude does other fans, the team, and yourself no good right now. None whatsoever. So do us all a favor and live by the motto "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

GBO
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Classless post. If you have a point of contention with the OP, why not advance that in lieu of attacking him?
 
#112
#112
hatvol96 said:
Before everyone goes crazy about all the "improvement" UT is making, take into account that those numbers represent opponents' total offense vs. what the Vols have gained the last two weeks. I like the effort yesterday, but let's not act like LSU didn't dominate the game. Turnovers and Les Miles are the only things that kept the score close.
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Take away the 83 yards on LSU's first play and we are respectable against the Tigers.....no explanation for the UAB fiasco though.
 
#115
#115
utgibbs said:
Dooley and co. had a Les Miles day yesterday. There was nothing perfect about that gameplan as the first and 2nd to last play of the game testify and a host of others that are easy to name.
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That seems extreme to say the coaching staff had a Les Miles game. LSU 4 turnovers TN 0

Penalties LSU 9-54 TN 3-10(we had 1 penalty for 5 yards until the imfamous last minute, and the PI was extremely questionable)

We improved 3rd down conversions from last week

LSU killed us in total yards 434-217 but the other stats even the yards difference out.

We did the things we had to if we were to win yesterday. As for the in game calls, coaches know what their doing. I don't get paid to make calls, they do, and most of their calls worked yesterday to keep us in the game. I would say except for the first play and the last play before the clock hit 0s, we were by far the most disciplined team, which is why I think it's harsh to compare our coaches to Les Miles. LSU was a model for lack of discipline and confusion for most of the game. We were confused 1 play, and unfortunately, we don't have the talent to be confused for 1 play. Just my 2cents as I don't really post, but was both encouraged and upset.
 
#122
#122
hatvol96 said:
He's too busy shining his True Fan Police badge to formulate actual points.
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Ok.....

you used turnovers as a reason we were in the game... uh, is that not a stat that we needed to improve in, and did?

Wasn't 3rd down (on offense and defense) THE MOST glaring area in need of improvement? How did we do this week as compared to last week? Against a better team I might add....

Didn't we need a huge improvement in special teams coming into the week? (as this would be key to containing LSU) Seems we improved there in coverage and the return game.

But yeah, go with your stats to show no improvement. Think whatever makes you happy. Hope it makes you as miserable as you are trying to be.
 
#123
#123
hatvol96 said:
Let's see. I was responding to the people clamoring about the fictional "improvement" the last two weeks. Which games should I have referenced? The 1966 Auburn game and the 1938 tilt against Vanderbilt?
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First you resort to your old trusty "sheep" come back, and then this is the best you can do? Laughable! Choosing one statistic or piece of data and then applying in in variable situations is not valid research. Whatever makes you feel important I guess.
 
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