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[MWAVolfan]

How do you explain Michigan State then? Against OSU they are 3-2 over the last 5 years and have won 2 out of the last 3 years, yet OSU has been in near the top recruiting wise with MSU at 22, 29 and 35. Based on the lack of 4 and 5 stars MSU should not be competitive at all yet they are year in and year out among the top when they shouldn't be.

Michigan State has been good for sure, but not great. They may have spoiled things for Ohio State last year, but that was because Urban got out coached, not because he has less talent. Bottom line though is that even though Michigan State has been good, both Ohio State and Alabama have something MSU doesn't, national titles. They also got utterly destroyed by Alabama last year and probably would get destroyed every year by them.

MSU has great coaching which allows them to perform at a level of 8 out of 10, but Bama and OSU have great coaching and a trove of 4 and 5 star kids that allow them to perform at a level of 9 or 10 out of 10 on a year in and year out basis. I want Tennessee to be like that, not like MSU.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

As I've said in other threads, a competent staff can compete for titles with top 15 type classes. MSU is one example to that point.

Did you watch the playoffs?

Top 15 classes might work in the Big 10. But they get you beat 38-0 against elite SEC competition.


To win a national title you need 2-3 top 5 recruiting classes in a row.

Even top 10 is no longer sufficient.

Look at the classes the last 3 champs (FSU, Ohio State, Alabama) have assembled.

 

[MustafaRasta]

Did you watch the playoffs?

Top 15 classes might work in the Big 10. But they get you beat 38-0 against elite SEC competition.


To win a national title you need 2-3 top 5 recruiting classes in a row.

Even top 10 is no longer sufficient.

Look at the classes the last 3 champs (FSU, Ohio State, Alabama) have assembled.

Missouri won back to back SEC east titles and hung with the WEST champ both years and won the Cotton and Citrus Bowls in 2013 and 2014. Going a combined 23-5
They did this off the robust recruting ranking of :

2009 #34 overall -26 players one 5* two 4* and twenty 3* - 3 2 * or below

2010 #22 overall - 25 players four 4* and 21 3*

2011 #56 overall, 14 total players -one 4* and eleven 3*

so take that

 

[08Vol]

Missouri won back to back SEC east titles and hung with the WEST champ both years and won the Cotton and Citrus Bowls in 2013 and 2014. Going a combined 23-5
They did this off the robust recruting ranking of :

2009 #34 overall -26 players one 5* two 4* and twenty 3* - 3 2 * or below

2010 #22 overall - 25 players four 4* and 21 3*

2011 #56 overall, 14 total players -one 4* and eleven 3*

so take that

Mizzou's success had more to do with the rest of the East being bad than with them being good. In 2013 they lost to SCAR, the best east team and in 2014 they were blown out by UGA, the best east team. They were never a threat to beat AU or UA in the championship games.

 

[08Vol]

Did you watch the playoffs?

Top 15 classes might work in the Big 10. But they get you beat 38-0 against elite SEC competition.


To win a national title you need 2-3 top 5 recruiting classes in a row.

Even top 10 is no longer sufficient.

Look at the classes the last 3 champs (FSU, Ohio State, Alabama) have assembled.

It was kind of sad watching MSU trying to run the ball against Bama. They stuck to their game plan when it was clear it wasn't working. I honestly believe if we had played them in a bowl game last year we would have won by 14

 

[MustafaRasta]

Mizzou's success had more to do with the rest of the East being bad than with them being good. In 2013 they lost to SCAR, the best east team and in 2014 they were blown out by UGA, the best east team. They were never a threat to beat AU or UA in the championship games.

2013 overtime loss to S.carolina off of missed fg's mostly. Including a 24 yarder.

2014 yea a 34-0 loss to Georgia is bad. They did blow out Florida in the swamp and Florida went 6-5 regular season with a week one cancellation.(against the Idaho Vandals, so count that as a free win lost from their total.) They lost one game in OT to S.C and lost by 3 to LSU and 5 to Florida St. - and won their bowl game. Florida also beat Georgia to essentially deny them the east title. So while Florida was down they were not destitute.

They did manage to put up 42 points against Auburn in what was a 3 point game until the fourth quarter in the 2013 east title game but got blown out by Bama in 2014.

I'm just sayin, they had a ranking one year of #56 in recruiting. Their best year they vaulted up to 22. Those numbers are way worse than what people are saying when they say "top 15" classes.

 

[Remy]

Mustafa has a point in that one needs look no further than Boise State. Why? They were successful in bowls while we were sitting home a few years watching them on tv which bugged the %$#@ out of me to think Boise State was better than us for years. I KNEW it was not the talent I took a quick look and heck from 2010 thru last year nary one 5 star player committed. They did during this six year period get a few 4 stars but you can approximately count those all on fingers of two hands. Their sweet spot is when they get 3 star players and they think that is a boom! They've been ranked in the top 25 those same six years with the only exception being last season where they went 9-4 and were unranked. I compare what goes on in CFB against Boise St frankly. Why? Because there's no way on God's green Earth I'd go there, hell may as well attend Osama Bin Laden U as it's closer to home and more things to do. So when somebody says things like, "well it's difficult to recruit Tennessee as the state just does not have that kind of talent base." REALLY Einstein? Tried recruiting all those blue chippers in Idaho? Coaching? Has to be great all the time as the talent is not going to be there. But they find ways to beat Oklahoma with 3 stars and less in 2007, 2009 they went 14-0 and beat TCU, with talent FAR less than our state and areas produce. So when someone says to me, it's strictly talent and recruiting, show them that victory over Oklahoma in 2007 or only the second time in history goes 14-0 over TCU. That's the deal ya'll, yes Boise St would get mauled year in and year out in the SEC as their depth is non existent. But for where they are and what they do, they win and go bowling and can scheme, coach, and obviously develop players. It ain't like last call where you kill that last tequila shooter tryin' to drink that 2 to a 10. No easy or quick fixes with players of the 3 and less variety, you have to work with them and make them better. We see many programs and coaches in NCAA CFB these days that won't or don't and at good programs like ours they usually arent around long.

 

[HoptownVol]

Mustafa has a point in that one needs look no further than Boise State. Why? They were successful in bowls while we were sitting home a few years watching them on tv which bugged the %$#@ out of me to think Boise State was better than us for years. I KNEW it was not the talent I took a quick look and heck from 2010 thru last year nary one 5 star player committed. They did during this six year period get a few 4 stars but you can approximately count those all on fingers of two hands. Their sweet spot is when they get 3 star players and they think that is a boom! They've been ranked in the top 25 those same six years with the only exception being last season where they went 9-4 and were unranked. I compare what goes on in CFB against Boise St frankly. Why? Because there's no way on God's green Earth I'd go there, hell may as well attend Osama Bin Laden U as it's closer to home and more things to do. So when somebody says things like, "well it's difficult to recruit Tennessee as the state just does not have that kind of talent base." REALLY Einstein? Tried recruiting all those blue chippers in Idaho? Coaching? Has to be great all the time as the talent is not going to be there. But they find ways to beat Oklahoma with 3 stars and less in 2007, 2009 they went 14-0 and beat TCU, with talent FAR less than our state and areas produce. So when someone says to me, it's strictly talent and recruiting, show them that victory over Oklahoma in 2007 or only the second time in history goes 14-0 over TCU. That's the deal ya'll, yes Boise St would get mauled year in and year out in the SEC as their depth is non existent. But for where they are and what they do, they win and go bowling and can scheme, coach, and obviously develop players. It ain't like last call where you kill that last tequila shooter tryin' to drink that 2 to a 10. No easy or quick fixes with players of the 3 and less variety, you have to work with them and make them better. We see many programs and coaches in NCAA CFB these days that won't or don't and at good programs like ours they usually arent around long.

Paragraphs are your friend. I doubt anybody else will read this either.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Missouri won back to back SEC east titles and hung with the WEST champ both years and won the Cotton and Citrus Bowls in 2013 and 2014. Going a combined 23-5
They did this off the robust recruting ranking of :

2009 #34 overall -26 players one 5* two 4* and twenty 3* - 3 2 * or below

2010 #22 overall - 25 players four 4* and 21 3*

2011 #56 overall, 14 total players -one 4* and eleven 3*

so take that

Missouri didn't hang with anyone. They were blown out by Auburn and Alabama in consecutive years.

They just got lucky in 2013 and 2014 that the east was historically weak and Georgia was choking as usual.

Lets see what Missouri does now that Tennessee and Florida are good programs once again.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

2013 overtime loss to S.carolina off of missed fg's mostly. Including a 24 yarder.

2014 yea a 34-0 loss to Georgia is bad. They did blow out Florida in the swamp and Florida went 6-5 regular season with a week one cancellation.(against the Idaho Vandals, so count that as a free win lost from their total.) They lost one game in OT to S.C and lost by 3 to LSU and 5 to Florida St. - and won their bowl game. Florida also beat Georgia to essentially deny them the east title. So while Florida was down they were not destitute.

They did manage to put up 42 points against Auburn in what was a 3 point game until the fourth quarter in the 2013 east title game but got blown out by Bama in 2014.

I'm just sayin, they had a ranking one year of #56 in recruiting. Their best year they vaulted up to 22. Those numbers are way worse than what people are saying when they say "top 15" classes.

I'll take the Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State formula. You take the Missouri template.

Who do you think will be more successful?

 

[MustafaRasta]

I'll take the Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State formula. You take the Missouri template.

Who do you think will be more successful?

Missouri was an exceptionally bad example. As I posted their best class was #22.

You were saying a top 15 class is $hite I was pointing out that a #56 class can get you there with good coaching and system stability.

A top 15 class certainly can. Are you not the same knuckle head that has every 3 star recruit on the team going 1st round? Picka side of the argument and stick to it.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Missouri was an exceptionally bad example. As I posted their best class was #22.

You were saying a top 15 class is $hite I was pointing out that a #56 class can get you there with good coaching and system stability.

A top 15 class certainly can. Are you not the same knuckle head that has every 3 star recruit on the team going 1st round? Picka side of the argument and stick to it.

Okay.

Now pick out the annual top 15 recruiter that has as much success year in year out as FSU, OSU, or Alabama.

 

[Evet Vols]

Paragraphs are your friend. I doubt anybody else will read this either.

IdidntseeaproblemwithhisparahraphihaveneverbeenafanofindentingitisawasteoftimeandspacewiththatsaidGOVOLS!

 

[I Love Lamp]

Did you watch the playoffs?

Top 15 classes might work in the Big 10. But they get you beat 38-0 against elite SEC competition.


To win a national title you need 2-3 top 5 recruiting classes in a row.

Even top 10 is no longer sufficient.

Look at the classes the last 3 champs (FSU, Ohio State, Alabama) have assembled.

You want an example I will give you one...

TENNESSEE
2016 class ranked 14th
2015 class ranked 4th
2014 class ranked 7th

That is definitely not even 2 top 5 classes in a row. So please enlighten everyone why Tennessee just happens to be an exception here according to your philosophy because you have said multiple times that we are winning a national championship.

 

[jakez4ut]

missouri winning the east was one of those perfect storm scenarios.

and it's not exactly brand new information that if you recruit top 5 classes, year in and year out, you're going to be good.....shocker.hmy:

not sure what everyone is so up in arms about.

and what you are all talking about is what Butch Jones got ripped for saying last year....that it takes 5-6 years to build a championship PROGRAM.

when you are to the point where you are capable of competing at the top of your league year in and year out, a la Bama, OSU, FSU among others, then you're to the point where you can deal with the regular roster turn over (graduation, transfer, draft etc...).

and again, no real surprise here, but those programs that consistently recruit top 5, top 10, top 15 most ever year are the programs that get to that point, and can stay there longer.

we're entering year 4 with CBJ, we're going to go thru our first off season, next year, of real attrition...we'll lose some seniors, and we'll have folks go to the NFL.

long story short, this class and the next are going to be very important to whether or not we can get to that point of sustaining.... 4, 7, 14, 5....if that's the ranking of his 1st 4 classes....then folks we're on our way to doing that.:thumbsup:

 

[mrmax86]

We have 7 recruits between .8600 and .8900 (the four-star cutoff on 247). I'm not worried.

Also, 247Sports ranking system wouldn't reward teams that get more recruits but of lesser average rating if it didn't actually prove to give an advantage on the field.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

You want an example I will give you one...

TENNESSEE
2016 class ranked 14th
2015 class ranked 4th
2014 class ranked 7th

That is definitely not even 2 top 5 classes in a row. So please enlighten everyone why Tennessee just happens to be an exception here according to your philosophy because you have said multiple times that we are winning a national championship.

That's enough with the facts. It clouds the narrative.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You want an example I will give you one...

TENNESSEE
2016 class ranked 14th
2015 class ranked 4th
2014 class ranked 7th

That is definitely not even 2 top 5 classes in a row. So please enlighten everyone why Tennessee just happens to be an exception here according to your philosophy because you have said multiple times that we are winning a national championship.

Because we hit on a remarkable amount of our prospects. Remember, the only big time prospect who has disappointed so far is Dillon Bates.

Our 2014 class has produced 9 starters/future pros. 2015 should be even better. I count at least 15 guys with starter/pro potential.

Our 2016 squad is an outlier because of the Tennessee staff's phenomenal scouting department.

For example, I would argue that while our 2014 class was rated #7 that it's currently better than Alabama's #1 rated class from that season.

 

[I Love Lamp]

Because we hit on a remarkable amount of our prospects. Remember, the only big time prospect who has disappointed so far is Dillon Bates.

Our 2014 class has produced 9 starters/future pros. 2015 should be even better. I count at least 15 guys with starter/pro potential.

Our 2016 squad is an outlier because of the Tennessee staff's phenomenal scouting department.

For example, I would argue that while our 2014 class was rated #7 that it's currently better than Alabama's #1 rated class from that season.

Do you wear your orange sunglasses at night?