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#126
08Vol said:
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IMHO the difference is Butch's system didn't look good with low ranked players and has been looking better with the higher ranked talent he brings in. It appears his system needs top talent to succeed in the SEC. Take some project guys every year that have that spark, see what they become, but at the end of the day your project guys will be going up against 4 and 5* guys at Bama, UF, and UGA.
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I don't think this is true at all. Our team that will be a major competitor this year is littered with lower ranked guys. The difference is now they are players that fit Jones' system - his recruits. The talent has obviously improved. This coaching staff are among the best in the business at player evaluations. They also coach them up!
 
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Kristy* said:
That's awesome. I haven't gotten to see him live yet, but my kids are old enough (3 & 4) this year that'll we'll definitely make it out to a game or two.
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I think Vol fans are going to love this kid. He's a monster on the field and a good kid off the field too.
 
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BurninOrange said:
100% :)
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I'm glad to see everyone confident that we land him. I was concerned because I've seen a few people pick Clemson to get him.

I'm in the dark in all the recruiting. I don't subscribe to 247, Rivals, etc so I found out news when it happens. Not before. Lol.
 
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#139
chargervol said:
If you are referring to our 2 deep championship caliber 2016 team, it's actually closer to 20 3 stars.
Or were you implying 3 stars are no good. I'm confused.
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Astounds me how many people actually think our starting line up is made up of all 4* and 5* players. Even after the numbers were posted on Saturday. I just glanced at our starters and found 7 3*'s in the starting line up. I believe it was butchna that actually took the time to look harder and found that there are actually 11 3*'s that are in our staring line up.

Half the starting line up for what many are saying could be a play-off/championship contending team were 3*'s.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Astounds me how many people actually think our starting line up is made up of all 4* and 5* players. Even after the numbers were posted on Saturday. I just glanced at our starters and found 7 3*'s in the starting line up. I believe it was butchna that actually took the time to look harder and found that there are actually 11 3*'s that are in our staring line up.

Half the starting line up for what many are saying could be a play-off/championship contending team were 3*'s.
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I believe many would be completely shocked with the names that make up that list.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Astounds me how many people actually think our starting line up is made up of all 4* and 5* players. Even after the numbers were posted on Saturday. I just glanced at our starters and found 7 3*'s in the starting line up. I believe it was butchna that actually took the time to look harder and found that there are actually 11 3*'s that are in our staring line up.

Half the starting line up for what many are saying could be a play-off/championship contending team were 3*'s.
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This is what people fail to grasp when Daj posts his numbers. He says 70% falls on recruiting. THIRTY percent leaves a lot of room for other factors to be considered. For example, what you mentioned.

I wouldn't tell a 5 star recruit that only 1.6% of college ball players make it to the NFL without considering other factors. The number is still true, but if I had to bet I may be on the kid and not the numbers.

Consider many of our 3 star guys will soon be in the NFL and you see how big a 30% outlier is.

Jeez, I really want to play poker against all of you. I could retire in 2 months.
 
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VolAnthem said:
I'm a big fan of his. I've see him play live. (I'm from Oak Ridge)
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Wonder if Oak Ridge plays Dobyns-Bennett this coming season? They have for the past 2-3 seasons. I know Tee lit them up this past season.

I'm going to take a look at the schedules. I think it would be at Oak Ridge for 2016 because I'm pretty sure they played at DB in 2015.

I may have to take a trip down to Oak Ridge for this game just to get to see Tee play.

Edit: Oak Ridge plays DB at home on August 26th. Guess I will be driving down to watch.
 
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#143
08Vol said:
I use to not really care about recruiting rankings, just trusted the coaches. Then Daj put a ton of work into seeing the effect recruiting rankings have on predicting the winner of a game. I've looked over his numbers, I've tried to argue them, but at the end, the team with the higher 4 year recruiting avg wins 70% of the time. From the BCS to today only 1 team has won the championship without a top 10 4 yr average, OU in 2000. If we win this year we will be the lowest ranked 4 yr team over that same time span.
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I haven't bothered to investigate his findings; it sounds too simplistic because it's probably somewhat a closed loop dependent on feedback. You have to answer three things for starters.

Do 4 star players cause a team to win - independent of coaching, training, and conditioning?

Do winning teams attract 4 star recruits - perception that you can be a winner most easily by playing for a winner?

Is that all that matters? That there would perpetually be hope only for a few teams such as Alabama or OSU who both consistently win and attract top recruits (chicken or egg), and everybody else is only chasing rainbows or reaching for the stars.

And then as chargervol said, do stars change during recruitment because of demonstrated playing ability or because teams showing interest drive up their "stock value"? It's a problem if you assume independent variables and neglect interrelationships.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
This is what people fail to grasp when Daj posts his numbers. He says 70% falls on recruiting. THIRTY percent leaves a lot of room for other factors to be considered. For example, what you mentioned.

I wouldn't tell a 5 star recruit that only 1.6% of college ball players make it to the NFL without considering other factors. The number is still true, but if I had to bet I may be on the kid and not the numbers.

Consider many of our 3 star guys will soon be in the NFL and you see how big a 30% outlier is.

Jeez, I really want to play poker against all of you. I could retire in 2 months.
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Most of these people would go all-in on 7/3 off suit!
 
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#145
MWAVolfan said:
Yeah I get what he's saying. But my question wasn't about the quality of our class, but instead why Scout and 247 have us listed #6 and why rivals has us at 29. Even though rivals has all our new players listed as committed. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't see that kind of disparity with other teams.
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Maybe 1 goes on average and 1 goes on points.

At the end of the day, 4 years from now are you going to remember where UT was ranked in recruiting..on 6/20/16? NO!

It doesn't really matter at this point.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Astounds me how many people actually think our starting line up is made up of all 4* and 5* players. Even after the numbers were posted on Saturday. I just glanced at our starters and found 7 3*'s in the starting line up. I believe it was butchna that actually took the time to look harder and found that there are actually 11 3*'s that are in our staring line up.

Half the starting line up for what many are saying could be a play-off/championship contending team were 3*'s.
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Let's not count the games until we've won them. This group of mostly 3 stars couldn't find a way to beat UF, Bama, or OU over the past 2 years. We all hope they take that next step and win big in 2016, but until it happens this starting group of heavy 3* players beat UGA w/o Chubb and Northwestern. I'll also point out the massive difference in our recruiting rankings and Northwestern's and how close the game wasn't.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Maybe 1 goes on average and 1 goes on points.

At the end of the day, 4 years from now are you going to remember where UT was ranked in recruiting..on 6/20/16? NO!

It doesn't really matter at this point.
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My inquiry seems to have rattled the cages over at rivals.com as they now have us rated #5 😁
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I get caught up in the fact that Alabama and Ohio State rack up 4 and 5 star players and do nothing but win. So there is some correlation there.
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How do you explain Michigan State then? Against OSU they are 3-2 over the last 5 years and have won 2 out of the last 3 years, yet OSU has been in near the top recruiting wise with MSU at 22, 29 and 35. Based on the lack of 4 and 5 stars MSU should not be competitive at all yet they are year in and year out among the top when they shouldn't be.
 
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volfan102455 said:
How do you explain Michigan State then? Against OSU they are 3-2 over the last 5 years and have won 2 out of the last 3 years, yet OSU has been in near the top recruiting wise with MSU at 22, 29 and 35. Based on the lack of 4 and 5 stars MSU should not be competitive at all yet they are year in and year out among the top when they shouldn't be.
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As I've said in other threads, a competent staff can compete for titles with top 15 type classes. MSU is one example to that point.
 
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