9-4?!?!

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Just reflecting back this morning and wondering how in the world BJ went from 2 consecutive seasons of 9-4/9-4 to complete disaster the following season. 9-4 sure sounds good right now, NO I DONT WANT BUTCH BACK!
 
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The answer couldn't be simpler... He no longer had Josh Dobbs. I've said hundreds of times that if it weren't for JD, CJB would've had 3 consecutive 4/5 win seasons and been fired.

It absolutely disgusts me to think about the amount of money that kid made for Butch Jones (is still making in fact). When that family sits down for dinner at night, I hope they're all aware who put that food on the table for them. It sure as hell wasn't their daddy.
 
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Jones and his clown car heavily relied on outstanding individual effort from the following players, who all left at the end of the 2016 season:

Josh Dobbs

Jalen Hurd

Alvin Kamara

Derek Barnett


When you lose almost 100% of your production in a year and your shoddy coaching and development is exposed, you are going to have a bad time. Jones and his crew had a bad time and left a roster full of talented but entitled brats who were told "you can choose when to work out" and got mad when a coach came in an made them start sucking buttermilk.

Oh, and Jones switched S&C programs almost yearly and scrapped the once nationally recognized nutrition program... this is in addition to letting players decide when/where/how they would work out on their own. Absolutely unreal what that idiot did to this program.
 
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Hacksaw said:
I would say injuries first and Dobbs second. Then more injuries last season and the team just quit. Butch will be successful as a head coach in the future. It just didn't work out for him here.
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Why are you counting peewee football in your basis for successful coaching?
 
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74charger said:
Just reflecting back this morning and wondering how in the world BJ went from 2 consecutive seasons of 9-4/9-4 to complete disaster the following season. 9-4 sure sounds good right now, NO I DONT WANT BUTCH BACK!
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Josh Dobbs, Derek Barnett were two reasons.....and could not fill there shoes....decent roster and no Coaching. Add Debord. mismanage Kamara...
 
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His recruiting “prowess” was based on the fact that he signed a bunch of highly talented legacy players, and then when he ran out of those players to recruit, his lack of ability to develop talent became glaringly obvious, and therefore we went 4-8. If he was anything worth his salt in talent development, then there is no way we would have lost eight games last season. He screwed the pooch by not (IMO) properly preparing Dormady and Co. that 2017 was going to be “their team.” We wouldn’t have been world-beaters by any means, but we also wouldn’t have done worse than 7-5 with that roster anyway. JMO.
 
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74charger said:
Just reflecting back this morning and wondering how in the world BJ went from 2 consecutive seasons of 9-4/9-4 to complete disaster the following season. 9-4 sure sounds good right now, NO I DONT WANT BUTCH BACK!
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That was his ceiling, with NFL talent on the team. He will never coach a team again in his career, with that much potential, and the best he could do was 5-3 in conference play.
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
Thanks to the ballers that were Dobbs, Sutton, Kamara, Barnett, J Kelly, and, yes, Hurd. A competent staff would have reached a NY6 bowl with that talent.
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Competent staff could of seriously competed for a national championship with that 2015 team (and they wouldn’t of made the stupid mistake of letting the strength coach go to make it easier on the players) so therefore could of possibly competed for another in 2016.
 
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Easy one to answer, my friend. We had sold players and team leaders in Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara, Barnett, and Sutton that covered Butch's poor coaching and actually helped us win close games.

When his team leaders/playmakers graduated, his bad coaching became apparent. The cat was let out of the bag. Without his top players, he couldn't rely on talent anymore. He had to actually be a coach with less talent, and he showed the World that he wasn't up to the task without solid playmakers.
 
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