9-3 too little too late?

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DC Vol said:
Me too. Absolutely.

However, Gruden's success at TB has to be taken with a bit of a grain of salt, both good and bad. There were a lot of Front Office problems there which don't really go on Gruden's shoulders.

However the ability to work with 30+ year old mature QBs and the ability to work with 18 year old immature kids is completely different. Can he recruit outside of flashing his name? Nobody knows.

In the end the biggest * with Gruden would be the staff he surrounds himself with and how well they develop talent and recruit.

I'd rather go for Gary Patterson, personally. Especially if he comes with his current defensive staff and could get Tee Martin away from USC. TM is killin' it with recruiting.
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I would really settle for any coach in the Bill Snyder tree.
 
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#77
The problem right now at UT lies within the defensive backs. Horrible technique is being played and there is too much cushion. We may have to play that far off because our guys are so slow. Bad angles, head down when tackling, lack of speed, all of that equals big plays for other teams. That is exactly what has happened to Tennessee. The offense is fine. You tell me my team is going to score 37 points on offense and lose and I would say you are crazy. Got to play defense to win in the SEC.
 
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#78
Should we assume the coaching discussion is your wishes regardless of outcome? Or only if he fails to go 9-3 or 10-2? Seems like we have lots of new coach threads to not clutter this up with why Gruden is so bad ass despite not getting even a wild card win after the SB.
 
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DD4ME said:
I'm just trying to understand my fellow fans. The hypotheticals are of little interest to me but it is interesting how people think about them. You'd have to be really pissed and doubtful of DD to want him fired even if he went 9-3, especially with his buyouts.
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The buyouts are a non-issue. I have no doubt that Hart has kept that saved since the Kentucky game last year.
 
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em37 said:
The problem right now at UT lies within the defensive backs. Horrible technique is being played and there is too much cushion. We may have to play that far off because our guys are so slow. Bad angles, head down when tackling, lack of speed, all of that equals big plays for other teams. That is exactly what has happened to Tennessee. The offense is fine. You tell me my team is going to score 37 points on offense and lose and I would say you are crazy. Got to play defense to win in the SEC.
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The problem right now is Randolph is hurt and we've made a scheme change.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
The buyouts are a non-issue. I have no doubt that Hart has kept that saved since the Kentucky game last year.
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Firing a hypothetical 9-3 coach is of consequence when ponying up an extra 5 million. Do you guys have any sense of context or is it only in how Gruden's hair feels in your fingers?
 
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DD4ME said:
Should we assume the coaching discussion is your wishes regardless of outcome? Or only if he fails to go 9-3 or 10-2? Seems like we have lots of new coach threads to not clutter this up with why Gruden is so bad ass despite not getting even a wild card win after the SB.
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Sorry, Dad...

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9-3, Dooley holds onto his job for another year.
 
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DD4ME said:
Firing a hypothetical 9-3 coach is of consequence when ponying up an extra 5 million. Do you guys have any sense of context or is it only in how Gruden's hair feels in your fingers?
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Even though it's stupid, I understand the wishful thinking, or blind homerism, or whatever you want to call it. But Derek Dooley is not going to coach this team to a 9-3 regular season finish.
 
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If Dooley ends the regular season 7-5 he's out of here, no doubt about it. If a 7-win season is supposed to be some sort of "sign of improvement" after three years, then this program is in sadder shape than we had ever previously thought.

You don't go 6-7, 5-7 and 7-5 at Tennessee and keep your job.
 
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orangetanker11 said:
Even though it's stupid, I understand the wishful thinking, or blind homerism, or whatever you want to call it. But Derek Dooley is not going to coach this team to a 9-3 regular season finish.
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Ok. We can take the number 5 team to the last possesion but won't possibly be able to win against all others except Bama, noted.
 
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DC Vol said:
Be careful, Mark Mangino was in the Bill Snyder tree.
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Unless Dooley gets this team to finish in the Top 25 this season, I would gladly take the fat man if the other option was to hold on to Dooley.
 
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Here's how I see it. Have no idea what the AD's feelings on, but if you're just asking folks who are down on Dooley.

First order of business is gauging interest of replacement candidates. Then, follow these rules.

If 9-3, keep Dooley unless an absolute homerun is extremely interested (i.e. Gruden)

If 8-4, fire Dooley provided there's an interested candidate in whom you have a lot of confidence (for me, that's not only Gruden, but guys like Charlie Strong as well).

If 7-5, fire Dooley provided there's an interested candidate in whom you have a lot of confidence. If your best bets are guys like Tuberville and Butch Jones, keep Dooley and try the search again in 2013.

If 6-6 or worse. . . well, I can't imagine we can't get a coach that inspires more confidence than a 6-6 Dooley.
 
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Incipient said:
Here's how I see it. Have no idea what the AD's feelings on, but if you're just asking folks who are down on Dooley.

First order of business is gauging interest of replacement candidates. Then, follow these rules.

If 9-3, keep Dooley unless an absolute homerun is extremely interested (i.e. Gruden)

If 8-4, fire Dooley provided there's an interested candidate in whom you have a lot of confidence (for me, that's not only Gruden, but guys like Charlie Strong as well).

If 7-5, fire Dooley provided there's an interested candidate in whom you have a lot of confidence. If your best bets are guys like Tuberville and Butch Jones, keep Dooley and try the search again in 2013.

If 6-6 or worse. . . well, I can't imagine we can't get a coach that inspires more confidence than a 6-6 Dooley.
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I'm trying to understand how you fire a 9-3 coach and justify shelling out 10 million in one year to make a change to a guy who hasn't coached in years and was fired from his last job. Not that part exactly the part where you then state it was a homerun?
 
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I want Dooley gone. I hate what he is doing to our program with all his excuses and his mediocre recruiting and his inability to win or motivate the team. And the Kentucky loss will always be inexcusable and pathetic. That said, yeah I'd be happy to welcome him back if he went 9-3 this year. But we know that's not going to happen. I'd be really surprised if we made it to 8-4. 7-5 or 6-6 is probably most likely.
 
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#95
You hate what Dooley is doing to the program? He hasn't proven he can actually coach in game week and on game day. However at a minimum he's setting his replacement up for success. I LIKE that.

His recruiting has rebuilt the roster. He's running a pretty disciplined program compared to what we saw from Fulmer and Kiffin to a degree. The players are being physically developed.

He has rebuilt the foundation of the program after it had been completely washed away by Fulmer and Kiffin.

I think 8 probably brings him back. I think 7 will be a really tough sell for Hart. He still needs to get that big win. He is the one who has to get over the hump.
 
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sjt18 said:
You hate what Dooley is doing to the program? He hasn't proven he can actually coach in game week and on game day. However at a minimum he's setting his replacement up for success. I LIKE that.

His recruiting has rebuilt the roster. He's running a pretty disciplined program compared to what we saw from Fulmer and Kiffin to a degree. The players are being physically developed.

He has rebuilt the foundation of the program after it had been completely washed away by Fulmer and Kiffin.

I think 8 probably brings him back. I think 7 will be a really tough sell for Hart. He still needs to get that big win. He is the one who has to get over the hump.
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Sorry, I don't call finishing with the 8th ranked class in the SEC year after year and losing recruiting battles to the likes of Vanderbilt an effective method for rebuilding the roster. You have to go back a long time to see a stretch of consecutive recruiting classes at UT ranked as low as Dooley has managed. And then the kids get here and who is coaching them and teaching them fundamentals? A guy with a proven track record of failure. Sorry, I don't think it bodes well for the future.
 
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Regardless of record, a loss to Bama alongside the Florida & GA losses should put him out. But you guys have some piss poor expectations these days with all this nonsense about he can stay if we go 6-6 or 7-5...really?...this is a cupcake schedule that should have been 8 wins up front., if we don't go to Atlanta again this year without Chick-Fil-A then its a wrap.
 
#100
#100
What if he goes 6-6 and dominates the bowl game? I think we go 8-4 but I think we have the capability to get to 9-3.
 
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