825 3 stars in last 4 years in SEC

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https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/10-biggest-3-star-overachievers-in-sec/

I was surprised by the total number of 3 stars signed in the SEC...Not sure how accurate this is, but I took it at face value. I would like to see all 4&5 stars, but if this is accurate, teams in sec average 14-15 *** per year. Obviously, bottom feeders are getting a higher number but everyone is getting their share.

Just food for thought before signing day.
 
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Interesting stat, but I would not read too much into it. I agree that lower teams rack them up. The truth is if you want to be competitive and win in the SEC you need to recruit a high number of 4 and 5 star kids. I know there are a lot of solid 3* and some turn into studs, but the odds are better with higher ranked guys.

Alabama has had 40 5 stars since 2007 alone. And it would be interesting to see where Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida have been the last couple of years. Ironically, UGA has always seemed to recruit well, but can never put it all together.

3 stars from 2013-2017 (247 composite)
Alabama 28
LSU 42
UGA 54
UF 70
UT 82

You might get lucky on a few 3*, but it's difficult to win in the SEC when the majority of your roster consist of them.
 
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No you get more than a few. If it was not for some good scouting by Clemson they do not win that game but their 3 stars were huge for them all season. Like I have said its about scouting the right ones that are ranked lower than their athletic ability shows. The ones you can project that still have not completely finished puberty. With proper weight training watch out. Now you do have to have your Elite players also mixed in at all positions. So it truly is a good mix.
 
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No you get more than a few. If it was not for some good scouting by Clemson they do not win that game but their 3 stars were huge for them all season. Like I have said its about scouting the right ones that are ranked lower than their athletic ability shows. The ones you can project that still have not completely finished puberty. With proper weight training watch out. Now you do have to have your Elite players also mixed in at all positions. So it truly is a good mix.
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Correct...it's also knowing what skill sets fit our system and keeping limited scope to guys who can contribute to what we're running. For example...in a good way, Barnes is beating superior ranked opponents w/ guys that he knows fits what he wants to run.
 
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Look at the 5*s we signed over the past 10 years. We have had a ton not pan out, most times they were either overrated or headcases. Seems like our best players were 4*s with a few 3*s mixed in. I think too with our offensive scheme fit plays a huge factor especially with our O line (mobile/athletic) QB(same as OL)and style of back(shifty, one cut and take it to the house)
 
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RPAV said:
No you get more than a few. If it was not for some good scouting by Clemson they do not win that game but their 3 stars were huge for them all season. Like I have said its about scouting the right ones that are ranked lower than their athletic ability shows. The ones you can project that still have not completely finished puberty. With proper weight training watch out. Now you do have to have your Elite players also mixed in at all positions. So it truly is a good mix.
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Bama had 21, 5*'s the other 3 teams in final 4 had 10 , 5 stars between them. Clemson had a total of 3 , 5 Stars.
Bama got beat by less talent with the best coach to ever coach college football according to some pundants and most on here that rave over him..
 
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Yeah, when you actually examine the numbers closely the only team that's really beating us at recruiting is Alabama, LSU and Georgia have a slight edge too. A lot of teams like Clemson may have lower ranked classes, but they take a lot of quality guys and do not rely on pure quantity. As another poster mentioned, it just seems that Tennessee always has the worst luck with our elite recruits, either by being a bust or through attrition. I also think our staff is not the best at developing talent to its full potential and that's a significant disadvantage. I do believe it's getting better though.

I believe the 2017 class will add quality depth in areas of need and we will get a few sleepers from that class who will contribute immediately. We have enough talent on the roster now to be competitive. I hope the 2018 class puts us back on track and keeps the momentum going. We are at the point where we either reach the next level or more then likely begin another rebuilding phase.
 
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reeceb73 said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/10-biggest-3-star-overachievers-in-sec/

I was surprised by the total number of 3 stars signed in the SEC...Not sure how accurate this is, but I took it at face value. I would like to see all 4&5 stars, but if this is accurate, teams in sec average 14-15 *** per year. Obviously, bottom feeders are getting a higher number but everyone is getting their share.

Just food for thought before signing day.
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I can't believe how easily people convince themselves that getting a class of 3 stars is anything but a disaster. Butch has shown an inability to develop superior talent. What makes anyone believe, based on past performance, that he will suddenly be able to develop AND overachieve with inferior talent?
 
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I think Heart is more important than stars. Sure stars show what a lot of ppl know kids are supposed to do but lots of times all a lot of kids need is a chance to showcase what they can do. But a lot of times the big stars are a bust!
 
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The star rating so very subjective to ONE persons opinion. I have learned to use them as a temporary gauge but that it.
 
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Recruiting evaluations have gotten considerably better over the last decade or so and there's a direct correlation between the number of 4-5 stars recruited and on the field performance.

Can't put my fingers on the article, but someone developed a "blue chip ratio" -- maybe not the exact terminology-- but it clearly showed that high ranking teams over the last 10 years had the most highly ranked recruits.

I had a high school teammate that went on to play for NC State during the peak of FSU/Bobby Bowden's days (think Charlie Ward era).

He said unquestionably recruiting was the #1 factor in major college football. Basically, he said pretty much every D1 team had good coaches and at the very least decent facilities. It all boiled down to depth and when he was blocking FSU's 3rd string DE (who was just as good as their 1st stringer) in the 3rd quarter and he hadn't taken a play off the entire game and had played on special teams....Well, you get the picture

Not a knock on Butch, but we look to be receuiting around 5-6th in the conference this year. If that trend continues, we'll be highly likely to be 5-6th in the SEC standings. Coaches rarely outcoach each other these days, at least not for extended periods of time.

Take for example Bill Snyder and the way everyone drools over his coaching ability. Yes he gets a lot out of a little. Personally, I'd rather have an average coach and a great recruiter. Snyder's won 2 conference titles in 25 years and had a losing record as recently as 2015.

When the courtship began, what was the first question Saban asked the AD at Bama? "What's your recruiting budget?"
 
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reeceb73 said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/10-biggest-3-star-overachievers-in-sec/

I was surprised by the total number of 3 stars signed in the SEC...Not sure how accurate this is, but I took it at face value. I would like to see all 4&5 stars, but if this is accurate, teams in sec average 14-15 *** per year. Obviously, bottom feeders are getting a higher number but everyone is getting their share.

Just food for thought before signing day.
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More like junk food, bud.

Do a little web search. Not just for Tennessee,but for any school you want. Go back a few years. But just don't total number of players and their insignificant number of stars. Look up how many flunked out, got arrested, left their program, or did not live up to their rating. And while you are at it, cross reference what round those recruits went in the draft.

I think you will find a high percentage of your meaningful contributors are actually 3 star guys. They come in, bust their asses, and earn their spot. Some of those highly rated players get pressed into playing too quickly and spend their careers in the training room. But a bunch can't handle the hype, and lose their young minds.

All star ratings are good for is making recruiting easier for lazy ass fans to follow. And for players, it is often more a curse than a blessing. I will take a motivated 3 star guy with character and a good family any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. But the 4 and 5 star guys? Even as a fan, I look for more film on them,and try to read what the locals say about him. If all they talk about is how he plays, but no mention of the rest? I really hope whoever is recruiting him digs into it. That is a much better indication of what we are getting than stars.

Point is star ratings are made by a bunch of sports journalists, who competence at the craft is at best questionable. But go ahead and munch on them for food for thought all you want. You will just become an intellectual diabetic for your trouble.
 
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The star rating so very subjective to ONE persons opinion. I have learned to use them as a temporary gauge but that it.
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Many times,a players rating gets influenced by how well the player's coach sucks up and talks crap to reporters.As time passes, I find myself trying to ignore it more and more.
 
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Butch's problem hasn't been stars but attrition and thus player development. Turnover has been high, which has hurt depth and continuity.
 
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3 stars if you can red shirt them all and save them for a run one or 2 years then sit back and repeat. That's a process for some. James Franklin was successful at Vandy thanks to tons of redshirt juniors and seniors thanks to all redshirting by his predecessor. Most 4 and 5 stars walk in on campus and are best players. I feel if you get the higher rated players you can consistently compete. With the 3s ever so often will cycle up for a season or 2.
 
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Every single school mentioned that is above UT in terms of the number of 3 star recruits has a decided home state talent advantage. Of course teams like Georgia, Florida, LSU, and Alabama are going to have fewer 3 star recruits because they produce more blue chip prospects than the state of Tennessee on average. I am sorry if some of you can't seem to grasp that, no matter who the coach is at UT.
 
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We've been over this.

As a percentage, 4* and 5* players are much more likely to make the NFL. Teams that recruit more of them tend to be better teams.

Most of the rest is just wishful thinking.
 
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CA_Vol said:
I can't believe how easily people convince themselves that getting a class of 3 stars is anything but a disaster. Butch has shown an inability to develop superior talent. What makes anyone believe, based on past performance, that he will suddenly be able to develop AND overachieve with inferior talent?
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What makes many of our kids inferior talent I know we have some reaches in this class but alot of these 3 star kids are very good and will be very good here. Yes I like everyone was hoping to sign a few more Elite players but there are not alot of them in the country. As far as developing talent so when TN returns to he draft this year in a big way Butch and staff does not get the credit?
 
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For comparisons sake in this class to date:

Georgia has 23 total commits.

(1) 3 star

(22) 4 stars or better


Tennessee has 28 total commits.

(22) 3 stars

(5) 4 stars are better


Translation: We're getting our arse handed to us on the recruiting trail.
 
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Anyone trying to act like rankings don't matter or that lower ranked kids work harder and can win on the same level as the higher ranked recruits are lying to themselves to feel better about all the 3 stars we are signing.
 
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RPAV said:
What makes many of our kids inferior talent I know we have some reaches in this class but alot of these 3 star kids are very good and will be very good here. Yes I like everyone was hoping to sign a few more Elite players but there are not alot of them in the country. As far as developing talent so when TN returns to he draft this year in a big way Butch and staff does not get the credit?
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I say inferior in the context that most of the SEC that we would be competing against for an SECC are have higher ranked classes.
 
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Doberman said:
For comparisons sake in this class to date:

Georgia has 23 total commits.

(1) 3 star

(22) 4 stars or better


Tennessee has 28 total commits.

(22) 3 stars

(5) 4 stars are better


Translation: We're getting our arse handed to us on the recruiting trail.
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This says it all. USCe is proving the beginning of the end for the Butch Jones era.
 
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