8-3, 7-4, or 6-5 will that bring staff changes?

[Low Country Vol]

With the much noted hype by the media and top 5 preseason rankings anything short of 1st in SEC East or SEC Crown would be a disappointment. Even CPF believes this is a much taleneted team.
Now, I hope they win out and go 10-1 and respresent the east. However, with their schedule and lack of offensive production that is unlikely. Will Fulmer go outside the university and hire a top notch OC. I respect his loyalty to RS for his contribution to the university since his playing days, but perhaps he was not ready. What is your input?

 

[indyvol15]

Originally posted by brg72@Sep 22, 2005 1:10 PM
With the much noted hype by the media and top 5 preseason rankings anything short of 1st in SEC East or SEC Crown would be a disappointment.  Even CPF believes this is a much taleneted team.
Now, I hope they win out and go 10-1 and respresent the east.  However, with their schedule and lack of offensive production that is unlikely.  Will Fulmer go outside the university and hire a top notch OC. I respect his loyalty to RS for his contribution to the university since his playing days, but perhaps he was not ready.  What is your input?

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it better

 

[allvol]

It would take a 7-5 season (includes bowl game) in my opinion.

 

[VOL_AHOLIC]

if our offense stays ranked as low as they are now and we turn this team into a defensive specialist, you better believe that someone is gonna roll.

sanders rolls out the door.
trooper rolls on the floor laughing.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

OMG another Fire Randy Sanders thread. Imagine that :scare:

 

[NCGatorBait]

No major changes would be made...but if it happened again next yr you better believe someone will be moving on!

 

[21VOL]

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[donsargegolf]

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[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by brg72@Sep 22, 2005 1:10 PM
With the much noted hype by the media and top 5 preseason rankings anything short of 1st in SEC East or SEC Crown would be a disappointment.  Even CPF believes this is a much taleneted team.
Now, I hope they win out and go 10-1 and respresent the east.  However, with their schedule and lack of offensive production that is unlikely.  Will Fulmer go outside the university and hire a top notch OC. I respect his loyalty to RS for his contribution to the university since his playing days, but perhaps he was not ready.  What is your input?

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Must I say, respectfully, RS could not cut as a QB and is a good position coach. Co-Ordinator, he has proven he is not. If he "truly" loves the university he would step down. If he and Fulmer cannot see the damage that is being done to their program they are the most selfish people in the world. ( maybe tied with Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno ) And the answer is yes!

 

[21VOL]

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[volbrian]

Yeah! Lets change the engine, just because of the bad spark plugs.

:shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 3, 2005 7:15 AM
Yeah!  Lets change the engine, just because of the bad spark plugs. 

:shakehead:  :shakehead:  :shakehead:

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WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!

 

[vol stuck in irishcountry]

If we beat UGA this weekend, I think we finish 8-3..if we lose..7-4. The way we are playing, we can not beat Bama and we can not beat UT.

 

[TitanVol]

It would take a losing record for changes to be made after this season.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by vol stuck in irishcountry@Oct 3, 2005 10:15 AM
If we beat UGA this weekend, I think we finish 8-3..if we lose..7-4.  The way we are playing, we can not beat Bama and we can not beat UT.

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Oh they can beat UT! If they execute I think they can beat anybody on the schedule...but they can also beat UT if they don't execute.

 

[Low Country Vol]

Yeah! Lets change the engine, just because of the bad spark plugs.


You can always replace a bad spark plug and randy Sanders and the other coaches are one the Spark plugs. The team is the engine. You can use any analogy and twist it your own way but Sanders is not in the top 20 in america as an OC.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by brg72@Oct 3, 2005 11:30 AM
Yeah!  Lets change the engine, just because of the bad spark plugs. 
You can always replace a bad spark plug and randy Sanders and the other coaches are one the Spark plugs.  The team is the engine.  You can use any analogy and twist it your own way but Sanders is not in the top 20 in america as an OC.

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You missed my point. Fire RS right now and what happens? CPF hires someone who will run his offense the way HE wants it run. IOW, the same offense, only with a different guy wearing the headset.

We got a new TV show on a local channel last night called "HOUND DOGS INSIDE THE LOCKER ROOM". It has Jimmy Hyams, Brent Hubbs and a former UT player ( I dont know his name but hes an offensive lineman and he mentioned being in South Bend in 1991). ANyhoo, he brought up an interesting point. There are about 5 key DROPPED PASSES so far this season that if would have been caught, UT would be 4-0 and the 3rd ranked team in the country.

Do you really believe RS has anything to do with that?

 

[bigdaddy]

So did they kick off Mark Packer from the Houndogs show? That guy is worthless. I watched the first two and he was horrible. If he is gone, I might turn it on again. As for Sanders, I just don't think that he develops his QBs very well. The offense did improve some this week, no turnovers and less drops, but it is hard to see if the lack of "explosiveness" that we all expect is due to coaching or the fact that we are just plain beat up right now. We took a pounding on the OL and RC is hurt as well. Not to mention the short week. All said, the next 4 games will make Sanders or break him.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by bigdaddy@Oct 3, 2005 11:49 AM
So did they kick off Mark Packer from the Houndogs show?  That guy is worthless.  I watched the first two and he was horrible.  If he is gone, I might turn it on again.  As for Sanders, I just don't think that he develops his QBs very well.  The offense did improve some this week, no turnovers and less drops, but it is hard to see if the lack of "explosiveness" that we all expect is due to coaching or the fact that we are just plain beat up right now.  We took a pounding on the OL and RC is hurt as well.  Not to mention the short week.  All said, the next 4 games will make Sanders or break him.

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I think Packer was the mouth piece for the other 3, but yes he was still hosting the show.

Let me ask you and everyone else a question. If GR could average 5 yards a carry for the rest of the season, and thats all UT did was give the ball to Riggs 40 times a game. Would you be happy with RS?

Its gotten to the point that I think we have forgotten WHAT MADE CPF one of the best coaches in the country: a conservative BALL CONTROLLING offense. Dont get yourself into the position of making costly mistakes by having to pass on one down and run on the other. To me, thats exactly the offense he is running this year. Only, instead of giving the ball off to Riggs, hes throwing out to the WRs. If Riggs can get 5 yards a carry, then let the WRs get 5 yards a catch. Its a high percentage pass, low on risk.

Granted, its like investing in US savings bonds, in that there isnt much of a return, but I dont care if we beat a team 14-0. As long as we arent doing something stupid by making an "explosive" offense with a bunch of firecrackers. We all seen in the LSU game of UT trying to get "explosive" when AInge was under center.

 

[bigdaddy]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 3, 2005 12:02 PM
I think Packer was the mouth piece for the other 3, but yes he was still hosting the show.

Let me ask you and everyone else a question.  If GR could average 5 yards a carry for the rest of the season, and thats all UT did was give the ball to Riggs 40 times a game.  Would you be happy with RS? 

Its gotten to the point that I think we have forgotten WHAT MADE CPF one of the best coaches in the country:  a conservative BALL CONTROLLING offense.  Dont get yourself into the position of making costly mistakes by having to pass on one down and run on the other.  To me, thats exactly the offense he is running this year.  Only, instead of giving the ball off to Riggs, hes throwing out to the WRs.  If Riggs can get 5 yards a carry, then let the WRs get 5 yards a catch.  Its a high percentage pass, low on risk.

Granted, its like investing in US savings bonds, in that there isnt much of a return, but  I dont care if we beat a team 14-0.  As long as we arent doing something stupid by making an "explosive" offense with a bunch of firecrackers.  We all seen in the LSU game of UT trying to get "explosive" when AInge was under center.

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You have some good points I want to hit on and raise a few other. To answer your question, no I would not be happy with RS. I would be happy for JR and out offensive line. IF JR could carry for 5ypc 40 carries per game, I would take that in a heart beat. But here is the reality, he can't. Not even Reggie Bush can. He will be beat up and used. I agree with our offensive attack. I just want a few passes down the field to connect. By that I mean one to two. Rather that be a big bomb, or our "extremely talented" receivers to break loose and run. We are running a west coast style offense, without the fullback most of the time. It is working now. I just think that against GOOD defenses (sp), we will need to connect down the field. I think that RC can do this, it just takes time to develop that relationship. Like I said, the offense is getting better. I just haven't seen RS develop a QB like previous OCs. I would have liked to see what he would have done with Peyton and Heath and what DC would have doen with Casey and Rick. I wouldn't call Ainge "explosive". I was looking at and explosive system like USC (the Califonia school). I believe that they utilize thier talent more effectively. I will take a grind- it-out 14-0 win anytime. I am just looking at the reality here and it is that our offensive production is down with RS and if we do not prove it can work over the next 4 games, someone will have to take the fall and it looks like RS. I hope that the boys pull through for him and make HIS system work. I hope that UT wipes the floor with everyone the rest of this season. I think that we have the team to do it, let's just see how the ball bounces so to speak.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by bigdaddy@Oct 3, 2005 2:19 PM
You have some good points I want to hit on and raise a few other.  To answer your question, no I would not be happy with RS.  I would be happy for JR and out offensive line.  IF JR could carry for 5ypc 40 carries per game, I would take that in a heart beat.  But here is the reality, he can't.  Not even Reggie Bush can.  He will be beat up and used.  I agree with our offensive attack.  I just want a few passes down the field to connect.  By that I mean one to two.  Rather that be a big bomb, or our "extremely talented" receivers to break loose and run.  We are running a west coast style offense, without the fullback most of the time.  It is working now.  I just think that against GOOD defenses (sp), we will need to connect down the field.  I think that RC can do this, it just takes time to develop that relationship.  Like I said, the offense is getting better.  I just haven't seen RS develop a QB like previous OCs.  I would have liked to see what he would have done with Peyton and Heath and what DC would have doen with Casey and Rick.  I wouldn't call Ainge "explosive".  I was looking at and explosive system like USC (the Califonia school).  I believe that they utilize thier talent more effectively.  I will take a grind- it-out 14-0 win anytime.  I am just looking at the reality here and it is that our offensive production is down with RS and if we do not prove it can work over the next 4 games, someone will have to take the fall and it looks like RS.  I hope that the boys pull through for him and make HIS system work.  I hope that UT wipes the floor with everyone the rest of this season.  I think that we have the team to do it, let's just see how the ball bounces so to speak.

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I pretty much agree with everything you said. My only point in using the 5 yards a carry example is if we keep possession of the ball, dont make any mistakes and slowly and continously move the ball and the first down markers, we will win ball games. I just get the feeling that because we arent heaving the 80 yard bombs, people are losing sight of just what our offense is all about.

As far as explosive USC utilizing their talent, lets remember who they are using it on, PAC 10 competition. Name me one member of the USC defense, without looking it up on the internet. Everybody wants to talk about Bush and Leinhart and their offense. For that matter, name me one defensive player in all of the PAC 10.

 

[bigdaddy]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 3, 2005 2:29 PM
I pretty much agree with everything you said.  My only point in using the 5 yards a carry example is if we keep possession of the ball, dont make any mistakes and slowly and continously move the ball and the first down markers, we will win ball games.  I just get the feeling that because we arent heaving the 80 yard bombs, people are losing sight of just what our offense is all about.

As far as explosive USC utilizing their talent, lets remember who they are using it on, PAC 10 competition.  Name me one member of the USC defense, without looking it up on the internet.  Everybody wants to talk about Bush and Leinhart and their offense.  For that matter, name me one defensive player in all of the PAC 10.

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Good one on the Pac 10. I could not name one defesive player in the Pac 10 (or any conference but the SEC). I was just thinking that I would like to see USC play in the SEC to see if they could hold up. I would like to see a GOOD SEC team play them this year in a bowl game. I agree, long sustained drives are the key to winning football for us this year. I think we need to get some big plays to keep that short game and option. Good discussion overall. Willing to debate anytime.

 

[21VOL]

good spark plugs is what makes the engine work..so let's put a some news ones in..
Plus the offensive declines has been proven..just look at the stats and lack production

 

[tvolsfan]

we need changes at 7-4. we are way to good to not be 9-2. 7-4 and we lose like the florida game, sanders will be gone for lack of offense production. hopefully fulmer would higher someone who has been able to put points up.