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I just heard this morning that 60 of UT's current 85 scholarship players are either freshmen or sophomores. I hadn't thought about it, but this is a really young team - again.
 
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TuskALoosa said:
Incarceration must be taking a big toll on the upper classman.
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You guys should know. Oh wait your players are OK, it's everyone else involved at Crookedbama. Just one question, you guys need roads in AL but you would rather pay a coach 4 mil. Gotta love Bammers:machgun:
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I just heard this morning that 60 of UT's current 85 scholarship players are either freshmen or sophomores. I hadn't thought about it, but this is a really young team - again.
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exactly........which is why i think as we get in to 08 and 09, this team should be pretty darn good.:thumbsup:
 
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Nice job of evaluating talent by Haystacks. The fact that the junior and senior classes are almost total washouts reflects very well on his work.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Nice job of evaluating talent by Haystacks. The fact that the junior and senior classes are almost total washouts reflects very well on his work.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, "Wait 'til next year." Never heard that before
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ha, ha, ha..........not that any of that is untrue, but honestly, looking at the current personnel, who we lost etc, etc, etc, and the experience level of this team the past two years, should we really expect a whole lot more than what we got last year from this year's team?

for me, not so much.......i've been saying for quite a while that 07 would probably be a lot like 06......and that our next real chance to make a SERIOUS title run of any kind would likely be 08 and 09........the age and experience level of the current team are part of the reason, the current, stress current, talent level on this team is part of it, and then you compare that to getting who's here, better and more experienced, with brining in a recruiting class like the one we got this year....it sets up for it then......

i'll say this.....in 08 and 09, Talent level should NOT be the reason we don't win a title, conf. or otherwise.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Nice job of evaluating talent by Haystacks. The fact that the junior and senior classes are almost total washouts reflects very well on his work.
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Although I disagree with the name calling, I somewhat agree with the point. The character issues have caught up with the upper classmen.
 
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jakez4ut said:
ha, ha, ha..........not that any of that is untrue, but honestly, looking at the current personnel, who we lost etc, etc, etc, and the experience level of this team the past two years, should we really expect a whole lot more than what we got last year from this year's team?

for me, not so much.......i've been saying for quite a while that 07 would probably be a lot like 06......and that our next real chance to make a SERIOUS title run of any kind would likely be 08 and 09........the age and experience level of the current team are part of the reason, the current, stress current, talent level on this team is part of it, and then you compare that to getting who's here, better and more experienced, with brining in a recruiting class like the one we got this year....it sets up for it then......

i'll say this.....in 08 and 09, Talent level should NOT be the reason we don't win a title, conf. or otherwise.
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Why would I assume that '07, '08, or '09 will be any different from the preceding years? The Munoz class had the same credentials as the last two recruiting classes, how did they turn out?
 
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Grrrrrrrreat, so we need to wait until 2008 or 2009 when Florida's BETTER recruiting classes get better, too. And 2008 or 2009 when Nick Saban has 3 classes under his belt. GRRRRRRREAT. Or 2008 or 2009 when Matt Stafford will be a JR and SR.

Being a Vol football fan is becoming like being a Cubs fan.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why would I assume that '07, '08, or '09 will be any different from the preceding years? The Munoz class had the same credentials as the last two recruiting classes, how did they turn out?
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i dunno.......i'm not assuming either, just saying that it would be our next best chance given the current personnel stuff i've already talked about.

and with that, given our personnel situation should be better those two years, the talent level should be much better those two years.....and if we were not to be a legit contender or win the SEC, it won't be because our talent is not on par with our competition. it was not on par with the likes of Auburn, LSU or FL the past couple of years, for all the reasons that have been stated above.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Grrrrrrrreat, so we need to wait until 2008 or 2009 when Florida's BETTER recruiting classes get better, too. And 2008 or 2009 when Nick Saban has 3 classes under his belt. GRRRRRRREAT. Or 2008 or 2009 when Matt Stafford will be a JR and SR.

Being a Vol football fan is becoming like being a Cubs fan.
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as has been stated in other threads, it's no secret that it is much harder today than it probably ever has been to win the SEC given the overall talent level of our competition.

my only point is that the past couple of years, our talent level hasn't been on the same level (due to reasons already stated--not so good recruiting, wash outs, transfers, defections, discipline issues etc, etc, etc, ) as a FL, Aub, LSU, GA.

by 08 and 09, i don't think that will be the case. I didn't say our talent would be better than anyone's, just that it should be to a level by then, both talent and experience, that should be competetive with all those schools, and it does not guarantee anything by way of championships......just that i think that will be our next best legitimate shot at it.......but lack of talent wont' be the reason we don't win it.
 
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See, here's the situation:

Our talent will be as good as Florida's and Georgia's, so it comes down to coaching - Fulmer is what, 2-6 against those two coaches?

I've said it before, 2007 will be our best chance to win the SEC over the next 3 seasons. Sure, we'll have a chance in 2008 and 2009, but our BEST chance is 2007.

And after I say that, some people pretty much say that we won't win it in 2007, so what does that say about 2008 and 2009? I mean, Florida's classes have been better than ours. The only way Florida doesn't win an SEC title in 2008 or 2009 is if Meyer's 100% spread option bombs. If it's good, we're in deep doo-doo.

One positive thing that I can say is that when Tennessee started to descend, it was with Randy Sanders at the offensive coordinator position. There were obvious improvements on the field when Cutcliffe came back, and not just from 2005. We looked more organized in 2006 than any other season this decade. Mayyyyyybe Cutcliffe can take the equal talent we have and create an offense that will lead us to an SEC title in 2008 or 2009. Will he be here?
 
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VolinArizona said:
See, here's the situation:

Our talent will be as good as Florida's and Georgia's, so it comes down to coaching - Fulmer is what, 2-6 against those two coaches?

I've said it before, 2007 will be our best chance to win the SEC over the next 3 seasons. Sure, we'll have a chance in 2008 and 2009, but our BEST chance is 2007.

And after I say that, some people pretty much say that we won't win it in 2007, so what does that say about 2008 and 2009? I mean, Florida's classes have been better than ours. The only way Florida doesn't win an SEC title in 2008 or 2009 is if Meyer's 100% spread option bombs. If it's good, we're in deep doo-doo.

One positive thing that I can say is that when Tennessee started to descend, it was with Randy Sanders at the offensive coordinator position. There were obvious improvements on the field when Cutcliffe came back, and not just from 2005. We looked more organized in 2006 than any other season this decade. Mayyyyyybe Cutcliffe can take the equal talent we have and create an offense that will lead us to an SEC title in 2008 or 2009. Will he be here?
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all correct, except, i guess it depends on where you view our current talent level, depth and experience level for 07 as to how good our shot at the SEC is in 07. for me, i still don't think we have the horses to compete wtih an LSU or FL in 07, so that removes coaching from the equation for me, at least for a season.

as to the rest, i agree with....and that's also why i like our chances in 08--schedule is harder, no doubut, even with getting bama and fl at home. but the coaching situaiton, at least from a coord. and position coach standpoint, seems right now to be in much better shape than it was two years ago. you get that added to a class like we already have coming in, plus the exp. level of all the young guys currently on the roster, we won't be at a talent disadvantage in this league by then.

coaching will be the key those two years.....i think the team we have right now is 9, maybe 10 win team if all the breaks came our way. the team that takes teh feild in 08 and 09 could be capable of 11+ wins given the supposed talent that should be on this roster at that time........it's way off in the distance, lots can happen, just basing this off what should happen(from a personnel standpoint alone), not what will.

can we win the SEC in 07? sure we can. FL has holes big time to fill on D, and like it or not for gator fans, tebow is still a ? as a full time qb. and they are younger headed in to 07... UGA still has some ?'s as well. i do think this year is more of a toss up than last year, but on paper right now, i'd still give the edge to FL until proven otherwise.
 
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See, I think our current talent level is just fine. Our 2004, 2005, and 2007 classes are all top notch, and our 2006 class had some good players in it. You can't name one area on the team that is far far below our competition in raw talent.

And as for the 3 legitimate SECE contenders in 2007, Tennessee has the most experience.
 
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Didn't UT have quite a few red-shirt freshmen and transfers (Hargrave) who would have normally been juniors instead of Sophomores? I.E. Crompton, Bolden.
 
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VolinArizona said:
See, I think our current talent level is just fine. Our 2004, 2005, and 2007 classes are all top notch, and our 2006 class had some good players in it. You can't name one area on the team that is far far below our competition in raw talent.

And as for the 3 legitimate SECE contenders in 2007, Tennessee has the most experience.
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Well, then that explains a lot right there....that's where i would disagree with you....i don't think our talent level, across the board, is where FL or LSU are right now.

....but how many of those guys from those recruiting classes are in fact on the roster now? and how many have been significant role players compared to the number brought in? Dan brooks gone. Brent Shafer gone. D. Morely gone. guys like J.T. Mapu, and Demonte Bolden, this is their year to break out or become washouts.....there were several others that left early, got kicked off or just left school all togheter than i can't remember....so i'm just not ready to look at a recruiting class ranking from 2 or three years ago and say "see the talent is there"...(which i know you're not doing either...but you get the idea)

but if we really have the most experience coming in to 07, which we may in fact have, i honestly don't know, then i am clearly overrating FL and GA headed in to the season.

all i know is that we got younger and less experienced in the secondary, younger and less experienced in the D line, lost our best offensive linemen, we got much younger, less experienced at WR.

our advantages headed in to the season, or what i feel really good about........RB, QB and LB. everything else is a bit of a question mark headed in.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I just heard this morning that 60 of UT's current 85 scholarship players are either freshmen or sophomores. I hadn't thought about it, but this is a really young team - again.
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Which is why I've been claiming that this is a rebuilding year and there is slim to no chance we will compete for anything this coming season.
 
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