#6 Warriors vs #3 Nuggets

#27
#27
Did I call it or did I call it? McGee only played 14 minutes. Cs and PFs combined for a total of 38 minutes.

George Karl is the dumbest coach in the NBA, and he is a candidate for COY right now. He's trying to play small ball against a team that is superior at small ball.

n_huffhines said:
The funny thing about Lee going down is that Karl might decide to give his bigs even fewer minutes, so the injury may not give Denver an advantage. McGee only played 23 minutes with Manimal out. Cs and PFs combined for a total of only 55 minutes.
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#29
#29
I count 59 minutes.. But again.. The warriors four perimeter guys torched Denver.
 
#30
#30
allvol_12 said:
Mcgee has nothing to do with them getting torched on the perimeter
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But his absence had everything to do with them getting torched on the boards, and the Warriors had like 6 easy dunks in the 4th alone.
 
#31
#31
TBrown said:
I count 59 minutes.. But again.. The warriors four perimeter guys torched Denver.
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Faried is listed as an SF. Either way 59 minutes of 96 total minutes is not much, and again, got out-rebounded by 10 boards with Barnes and company getting dunks whenever they felt like it. Did you watch?
 
#33
#33
Mcgee averages a cool 4.8 rebounds a game. Why would Karl play small when he doesn't have any type of threat at center. Javale McGee isn't any help against a team with no lo post scorer.
 
#34
#34
No coach should ever by comfortable with playing Mcgee extended minutes
 
#35
#35
McGee is a very good player. He made a few bloopers that no one will ever forget, but the reality is he is a smart ballplayer. He's an efficient scorer, an excellent shot blocker, and a good rebounder. Think this through...he gets 4.8 rpg because he only plays 18 MPG. If you don't like him, play Koufos who is good and also played very limited minutes.

TBrown - If you wanna call Faried a PF, fine but he's only 6' 8" 230. Lebron is a small PF and he's much bigger than that. My point is that they went small and he's small.

Maybe I'm bat**** nuts, but the fact that you're siding with Karl has me a little perplexed. So if you play a superior perimeter team who is short on bigs in terms of talent AND depth you're going to try to match them on the perimeter rather than attack their weakness? It obviously didn't work last night, but maybe you still think that's a good strategy?
 
#36
#36
Think this through, there is a reason why he only plays 18 mpg. Again, why play big when you don't have anyone that will make a difference? Efficient scorer? Sure when you dunk 3 of the 5 shots you attempt per game.
 
#37
#37
Size doesn't determine position, game does. Faried's game is a 4. You can call him undersized of you want but he certainly is not a 3. Lebron can play 1-4 with ease.
 
#38
#38
Not to mention every minute he logs with the nuggets is as a 4. Why is it so absurd now?
 
#39
#39
I highly doubt Kenneth Faried has played one minute at 3 this year.
 
#41
#41
I already conceded that you can call Faried a 4. Are you still backing Karl's decision to get go small ball? It works out perfectly because instead of just getting beat on the perimeter it allowed his Nuggets to get beat everywhere.
 
#42
#42
n_huffhines said:
I already conceded that you can call Faried a 4. Are you still backing Karl's decision to get go small ball? It works out perfectly because instead of just getting beat on the perimeter it allowed his Nuggets to get beat everywhere.
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McGee/Koufos/McGee have ZERO post game and can't score unless of layups/dunks. GS only had six offensive rebounds. Golden State hit 14 3 pointers. That's why they won.
 
#43
#43
zjcvols said:
McGee/Koufos/McGee have ZERO post game and can't score (1) unless of layups/dunks. GS only had six offensive rebounds. (2)Golden State hit 14 3 pointers. That's why they won.
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(1) I'll take it. I'll take the 30.8 Pp36* they combine for, and I'll also take the 8.2 ORp36 that they average.

(2) This is why they shouldn't have gone small. They went small and got stomped. You're saying it's not a good idea to go big?

*both shoot .580+ TS%
 
#44
#44
n_huffhines said:
(1) I'll take it. I'll take the 30.8 Pp36* they combine for, and I'll also take the 8.2 ORp36 that they average.

(2) This is why they shouldn't have gone small. They went small and got stomped. You're saying it's not a good idea to go big?

*both shoot .580+ TS%
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1) Which has been negated GS has completely packed the paint against the pick and roll. Why do you think Miller has been scoring so much? They are letting him beat them as to not have easy buckets for Faried and McGee. So what's the point of going big when you can't use it?

2) I'm saying I wouldn't have with low post players who can't create their own shot. Which no one on Denver can. What's the point of going big when they have A) Have no offensive presence in the post and B) Aren't getting torched inside but are from the ouside? If you can tell me how JaVale McGee and Kenneth Faried would have stopped Harrison Barnes from going 9-14, then I'm all ears.
 
#45
#45
So, let's see: McGee/Koufos/Faried had a combined 7 rebounds in 49 minutes, 1 offensive rebounds, and zero blocks. What exactly was their contribution last night?
 
#46
#46
zjcvols said:
So, let's see: McGee/Koufos/Faried had a combined 7 rebounds in 49 minutes, 1 offensive rebounds, and zero blocks. What exactly was their contribution last night?
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If you play Koufos for 30 minutes, what he does in the first 14 minutes has nothing to do with what you should expect out of him for the next 16 minutes (in terms of blocks and rebounds). Same goes for McGee. Faried is coming off an injury, and I'm not arguing they should have played him more, because I'm not sure about that.

I do know that the Warriors shot 7/8 in the paint in the 4th quarter. That had something to do with Barnes going 9/14.
 
#49
#49
McGee is one of the best shot blockers in the league, and just simply having big bodies in the paint prevents guards from entering. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
 
#50
#50
With Barnes at the 4, one of the bigs your advocating playing has to be out there to guard him. After he quickly gets by that guy, he has a free run to the rim. If the other big slides over, it's free offensive glass time for the weak side big of GS. If a Denver big cant punish Barnes in the post on the offensive end (what Z is talking about), then Karl has to go small. Denver cannot guard Barnes at the 4.
 
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