6-4 Let that sink in

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CrossVegas said:
6-4 in a weaker conference and trending down each year.Scott Frosts players he did well but did not recruit well as SF. This hire baffles me.
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Give it a rest. Heupel is the HBC at UT. Most of us know his record at UCF and understand he had 10 opt-outs. I have watched on YouTube several UCF games and his team plays hard, they don’t quit and he runs an exciting offense that scores points. Plenty of time next year to criticize the losses.
 
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Mightyvol said:
Give it a rest. Heupel is the HBC at UT. Most of us know his record at UCF and understand he had 10 opt-outs. I have watched on YouTube several UCF games and his team plays hard, they don’t quit and he runs an exciting offense that scores points. Plenty of time next year to criticize the losses.
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Love the “they don’t quit” part....
 
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VolInNW said:
Wow. a "STFU" along with " You are a negative idiot with no compassion or intelligence" about someone you have never met? A lot of negativity and ad hominem attacks to unpack there.

Your issues and my issues under COVID are not relevant to a football discussion. You certainly have my sympathy for the situation you described, and I will simply say that we all have been affected in one way or another, and some more than others.

My point is that college football in general dealt with pretty onerous COVID restrictions this year, so going directly to that well to explain poor performance relative to other teams is illogical, since the entire field was dealing with the same mess. As a example, if two steaks were over-seasoned, and one chef produced a good meal despite that while the other chef was unable to do as good a job, it would be illogical to say that the second chef lost because of the over-seasoning. I used a food metaphor because I'm hungry, and because everyone loves a good steak!

In general, folks have been pretty brutal with each other, particularly folks wanting to sell this hire being pretty insulting to those of us with significant concerns. One of the prices of a passionate fan base, I suppose.

Have a great day!
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I had to login to reply to this post.

Sure every team had to deal with Covid in regards to safety precautions, testing several times a week, wearing masks, etc. but that is the extent of everything being equal. Different states had different quarantine restrictions, teams had players opt out, teams had players be quarantined during fall camp or the season, some lost coaches, and I could go on an on.

No way Alabama (which had no important players miss a game) experience the same as Vandy, Missouri, TN, or Florida. For our Vols, Bailey missed time during fall camp meaning JG was our QB at the start of the year, there were reports that we had many receivers miss significant parts of fall camp, Wayna was quarantined twice, we had assistant coaches miss the A&M game, etc. We may have been 6-6 if we had played our normal schedule. Ohio State had games canceled, played one game with dozens of players out, Clemson had to play ND without Trevor Lawerence. But oh, it had to be a miracle that Alabama was not really affected.

In Basketball, some teams have opted out of the season and games are being canceled left and right. Don’t you think our Vols would be a little better off if we had been able to play those 5 games in the out of conference schedule? All the blue blood programs are struggling because they are always young and they missed significant practice time and games during the pre-conference schedule. Did Alabama football have that problem - No because they were a veteran team and had lots of depth.

So no, every team was affected differently because of Covid.
 
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We are a bottom-feeding SEC Program, and a damn dumpster fire. We should feel lucky to have gotten Heupel. We offered 8 mil/yr, and got turned the F down. It is what it is!
 
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1967vol said:
4 losses by one possession each and a total of 7 points during a covid year. let that sink in too,negavol.
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Please don't start the "negavol", how can you honestly play like you're a "posivol" after the crap this program had been through the last 12 years.
 
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Heupel is what he is. A band-aid to get us through the next couple of years. After the investigation and sanctions are over is when we hire a real coach.
 
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HangmanPage said:
There will be another job search within 2 years.
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There won't be another job search within 2 years. That's an asinine take. They have given the guy an extremely secure contract. We better hope he makes it a relatively successful 4-5 years, or the buyout will be outrageous. In fact, I would argue that the contract structure means that they fully intend to give him 4 years at the least.
 
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preacherwebb said:
Per 247sports:

Scott Frost
2016 Avg Rating .8262
2017 Avg Rating .8336

Josh Heupel
2018 Avg Rating .8364
2019 Avg Rating .8424
2020 Avg Rating .8383
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There's no reason to bring these facts in here. If you prove that he recruited as good or better than Frost, then the argument will just become "well, he just can't coach then, he did less with more." Don't bother, because these people just want to bi**h and moan.
 
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RhodesVol said:
There won't be another job search within 2 years. That's an asinine take. They have given the guy an extremely secure contract. We better hope he makes it a relatively successful 4-5 years, or the buyout will be outrageous. In fact, I would argue that the contract structure means that they fully intend to give him 4 years at the least.
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I think they will "Give him six!".
 
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He may have gone 6-4 last year, but they didn’t lose because of his offense. He average over 40 points a game as an Oc and HC. If we had him as an OC or HC with our defenses over the last 15 years, we would have won at least 65-70 % of our games. I think this is the best hire in the last 30 plus years.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
rating? what rating, hosepower? thrust/weight ratio?
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I would hazard a guess that it's the Average Star Rating, you know, the metric by which we all seem to agree whether or not a coach has successfully recruited a class. Based upon this "rating" Heupel appeared to recruit players who were judged to be more talented than those that were recruited by Scott Frost.
 
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RhodesVol said:
There won't be another job search within 2 years. That's an asinine take. They have given the guy an extremely secure contract. We better hope he makes it a relatively successful 4-5 years, or the buyout will be outrageous. In fact, I would argue that the contract structure means that they fully intend to give him 4 years at the least.
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And who knows he might do well enough where we're happy with him and he continues on being our coach for 10 years. I'm just glad we found someone
that knows offense and hopefully will get us off the ground.
 
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CrossVegas said:
6-4 in a weaker conference and trending down each year.Scott Frosts players he did well but did not recruit well as SF. This hire baffles me.
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I've let it sink in since Wed. I'm good with it. Excited to see his Offense develop here over next season and in the years to come. Not in our top 5, but prob the safest hire that could have been made considering the circumstances. If you think an A list or even a B+ coach was going to take the job you're kidding yourself.
 
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All UCF loses, except for Memphis, were to ranked teams. It was a very respectable schedule and result. Looking at his three years, he did very well. No bad losses.
 
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Considering that Scott Frost was there from Dec 2015 to Dec 2017 how can anyone say that Heupel won with Frost's players. At the most Frost signed 2 classes.
 
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