5 years from now CLK or Clawson

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Vols520 said:
And for the record, my bro played for clawson at Fordham and there is a reason he shot up the coaching ranks pretty quickly. Let's not forget he almost got the bc job. He is one of the most intelligent coaches in football, and could recruit a polar bear to Texas.
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he's not much of an OC
 
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vol_in_il said:
agreed by who
I expect to win, not sure what your expectaions are, but 6-7 wins is a failure..

CLK's popped off since he stepped on Campus, so come September he needs to put a team on the the field that's competitive and wins..

How Cut got brought into the discussion on Clawful's year in Knoxville is irrelevant..

Here's a link on what Clawson did for Tennessee....
ncaafootball.com


115 out of 119
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The point was that a great OC like Cut realized that he needed to protect his reputation from Fulmer's meddling in the playcalling.

I'm not arguing that Clawson was great for UT. I'm arguing that Clawson was not solely responsible like a lot of people claim. He is a good offensive mind and runs a complex scheme used widely in the pros.

It is not uncommon for good coaches to look bad in bad situations and Clawson was in a bad situation where he had very little control.

Take the orange blinders off and realize that 1 year of Clawson's career at UT does not define him. I know people want to think that Clawson ran UT into the ground but Fulmer was doing a good job of that before Clawson got here.

Cut's reemergence and having Ainge, Meachem and Swain were the only reasons this didn't happen in 2006.
 
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vol_in_il said:
oh well
Hat, will always be able to throw barbs
but you also can't deny Clawson was responsible for an offense being ranked 115th
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You can't deny that he was the OC of that team. Fulmer was the one responsible.

When the HC has veto ability on all offensive play calls then that makes him the OC.

Is it really so easy for you to pin everything on Clawson and completely overlook Fulmer's shortcomings? Or do making idiotic statements making fun of Clawson make you feel better over being butt-hurt about Fulmer being canned?
 
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gainesvol82 said:
So how do you explain the rest of his career? And don't say the typical "This is the SEC and he couldn't cut it."
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to me the rest of his career is irrelevant
I was never a fan of Richmond, or any of the other schools he's coached.

He led Tennessee to the depths of Offensivive production and it was reflected in our wins and losses, as well as leading to his severance
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Clawson's ability to adapt his offense to the personnel is staggering.

It didn't work last year because no one wanted to believe that Greg Adkins was every bit as brutal of a line coach as Bernie Kosar was a scrambling quarterback.
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So Don't blame Fulmer because it was Clawson. but don't blame Clawson because it was Adkins. None of them could get it done and now they are someone else's problem. If you and I were in the same room right now, I would bet you dinner at Ruth's Chris Bowling Green is no threat this season - even with your no doubt amazingly detailed study of 110 d-1 teams. You are in Ohio, i have business in Columbus,, do you live there?
 
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vol_in_il said:
to me the rest of his career is irrelevant
I was never a fan of Richmond, or any of the other schools he's coached.

He led Tennessee to the depths of Offensivive production and it was reflected in our wins and losses, as well as leading to his severance
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Tennessee football has sucked out loud for half a decade. Blaming Clawson for what happened last year is like shrieking about a mop-up reliever who gives up three runs in the last inning of a 16-run blowout.
 
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kptvol said:
Ole Miss. Fun game.
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Let's see, loss to Ole Miss versus loss to Wyoming. Which one would be more humiliating? One loss is used to incentivise a team to win a NC, the other to get rid of a head coach. Why don't you create a poll to determine which most folks would prefer? Let me know how it goes.
 
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countrypk said:
Let's see, loss to Ole Miss versus loss to Wyoming. Which one would be more humiliating? One loss is used to incentivise a team to win a NC, the other to get rid of a head coach. Why don't you create a poll to determine which most folks would prefer? Let me know how it goes.
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I'm just really pleased that the greatest team in your school's history lost to Vanderbilt's bitch. It was such a great moment you made a plaque to commemorate it.

How long do I get to play the Mississippi State loss from 2004?
 
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kptvol said:
I'm just really pleased that the greatest team in your school's history lost to Vanderbilt's bitch. It was such a great moment you made a plaque to commemorate it.

How long do I get to play the Mississippi State loss from 2004?
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Oh stop it! Stop it! You'll make me cry. Did you really record the Miss St game in 2004? Or, are you just replaying it in your head. Either way, I think you're obsessing about UF. I don't recall much about the Wyoming game except I didn't hear Rocky Top many times and the big pumkin looked despondent.
 
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countrypk said:
Oh stop it! Stop it! You'll make me cry. Did you really record the Miss St game in 2004? Or, are you just replaying it in your head. Either way, I think you're obsessing about UF. I don't recall much about the Wyoming game except I didn't hear Rocky Top many times and the big pumkin looked despondent.
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I just tend to think about it when you bring up games that caused coaches to be canned. Fulmer was actually fired before the Wyoming game, anyway. The Gators have been losers for nearly the program's entire history. Enjoy the glory days.
 
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vol_in_il said:
to me the rest of his career is irrelevant
I was never a fan of Richmond, or any of the other schools he's coached.
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It really doesn't matter what is relevant "to you" in this situation. The facts apply. The guy has had a solid, solid career. He is widely regarded as one of the brightest offensive minds available.

His big mistake was thinking he had the time at UT to build from the ground up like he did elsewhere. If he were still OC, UT would have probably signed 5 OL's with one of them being Peter White. He would have had Giles and Oku. Marlon Brown might have ended up at UT with Stokes, Thigpen, and maybe others. On top of that, Boyd would have been his QB in waiting.

He WAS building but CPF was out of second chances.

He led Tennessee to the depths of Offensivive production and it was reflected in our wins and losses, as well as leading to his severance
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If you just have to blame an OC then you HAVE TO go back to Sanders. He let discipline and recruiting slip big time... but he only did it because CPF allowed it. Fulmer's downfall was letting personal loyalties get in the way of getting the job done... same deal with Chavis in different ways.
 
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kptvol said:
I just tend to think about it when you bring up games that caused coaches to be canned. Fulmer was actually fired before the Wyoming game, anyway. The Gators have been losers for nearly the program's entire history. Enjoy the glory days.
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You need to quit living in the past and move into the 21rst Century. You'll be a grumpy old man telling your grandchildren about the "1998 team" and they'll look up in disbelief and ask, "But Granddad, didn't UT drop football years ago?"
 
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countrypk said:
You need to quit living in the past and move into the 21rst Century. You'll be a grumpy old man telling your grandchildren about the "1998 team" and they'll look up in disbelief and ask, "But Granddad, didn't UT drop football years ago?"
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Phil Fulmer is the past. His failings are the topic of 90% of your posts. Run along. And I'm really impressed you finally admitted to being a Florida fan.
 
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sjt18 said:
It really doesn't matter what is relevant "to you" in this situation. The facts apply. The guy has had a solid, solid career. He is widely regarded as one of the brightest offensive minds available.

His big mistake was thinking he had the time at UT to build from the ground up like he did elsewhere. If he were still OC, UT would have probably signed 5 OL's with one of them being Peter White. He would have had Giles and Oku. Marlon Brown might have ended up at UT with Stokes, Thigpen, and maybe others. On top of that, Boyd would have been his QB in waiting.

He WAS building but CPF was out of second chances.

If you just have to blame an OC then you HAVE TO go back to Sanders. He let discipline and recruiting slip big time... but he only did it because CPF allowed it. Fulmer's downfall was letting personal loyalties get in the way of getting the job done... same deal with Chavis in different ways.
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There's no way to say who Clawson would or wouldn't have signed..
He wasn't here long enough to do anything but loss a bunch of games and get fired
 
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kptvol said:
Phil Fulmer is the past. His failings are the topic of 90% of your posts. Run along. And I'm really impressed you finally admitted to being a Florida fan.
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More Tebow fan. I can take Florida or leave it. I'm still po'd Dickey left and went to UF.
 
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countrypk said:
Wyoming.
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Don't suppose you're referring to this?

Nov. 8, 2008, Wyoming @ UT, UT 7 Wyoming 13

Six Weeks prior:

Sept. 27, 2008, BG @ Wyoming, BG 45 Wyoming 16


I love giving my fiancee a hard time about that one. But seriously, all it proves is that anything can happen on any given weekend in college football. And really, I wasn't at all surprised given that the UT/Wyoming game came just a few days after CPF announced he would be stepping down at the end of the season. I'm sure there were a few days there for the rest of the week leading up to that game where the UT players were not 100% focused on the game ahead of them on Saturday.

And besides, yet more proof that comparing games like that really doesn't mean anything:

Oct. 4, 2008, Northern Illinois at UT, UT 13 NIU 9

Three weeks later,
Oct. 25, 2008, BG @ NIU, BG 13 NIU 16

Like I said, none of it really means anything. I just like to acknowledge it sometimes. (Besides, it's shared opponent games like that which determine bragging rights for my fiancee and I, since BG and UT have never actually played each other in football.)
 
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