5 Wide, No Huddle offense

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VolFanInHawaii said:
I'd like to make our standard set a 3 receiver set. I just think defenses will wince at the thought of having to go up against rogers, hunter, and patterson for every play.
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Yeah chances are someone is going to be open... I think with a decent D and a High Powered O we could easily win 8-9 games with ease.. May not win a NC or the SEC but that would get this program going in the right direction..
 
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BOBeLITE said:
Never said it wasn't important.. I know he knows it's important but do you not agree that his passing threat opened up most of that rushing??
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if Peyton had just dropped back with no running threat it would have looked like we were playing UF more than once a season. Had we relied on the ground game in some of those vs UF we would have won at least 1 and possibly 2. Spurrier talked Phil out of it
 
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bamawriter said:
The NFL altered the rulebook in order to make the passing game the focal point. College has yet to do that.
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Well, looks like there may be some altering. Off of recent memory, I cannot remember three WRs with the talent level of Hunter, Rogers, and Patterson (if he is as good as advertised) being the 1-2-3 WRs. We are talking about 3 guys that Dooley feels like will go in the draft next year and be taken early. It doesn't matter what you do, if you score 35 a game running for 250 or passing for 400, then you are in great position to win.
 
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#32
I love 5 wide and Run-and-Shoot sets occasionally, but if one of the RBs can step up, then a routine 3 wide (Hunter, Rogers, and Patterson as one configuration) with Rivera in the pattern from TE might have defenses pooping their pants. Running lanes should be open, wheel routes from the backfield, space underneath the deep and intermediate routes, etc. But Lane, Neal, or one of the frosh better seize the opportunities when they come!

But I would run a multitude of 5 wide sets early to give UF and others something to think about over the season.
 
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tvols75 said:
Well, looks like there may be some altering. Off of recent memory, I cannot remember three WRs with the talent level of Hunter, Rogers, and Patterson (if he is as good as advertised) being the 1-2-3 WRs. We are talking about 3 guys that Dooley feels like will go in the draft next year and be taken early. It doesn't matter what you do, if you score 35 a game running for 250 or passing for 400, then you are in great position to win.
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I totally agree with that. Look at how Oklahoma State and Oregon operate. However, they get to avoid playing defenses with a pulse. Tennessee won't have that luxury.
 
#35
#35
I love the thought of it, Im sure we will see it sometime during the season...but just think we can put 2 - 4.4 receivers CP-PIG along with Hunter - DR...No defense is setup to cover that many Number 1 receivers...we will be sending someone long every play...by the end of the game there will be some tired DB's...running game will fill the holes as we spread out the defense...
 
#36
#36
Involving a run game would make our WRs that much stronger. Make them bring men in the box and the "POW" hit'em deep.
 
#37
#37
It's going to be a good opportunity Cam Clear to step up and be a big time TE with lots of catches with defenses trying to cover our receivers. Going to be lots of options, just gotta have better execution and play calling next year.
 
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#40
I don't think anyone's had a passing game this good in the sec in a long time, so maybe we can do it with a minimal running game. Although I'm thinking, and hoping, we look like 2009 arky with mallett and all of those stud wrs they had.
 
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utvolpj said:
if Peyton had just dropped back with no running threat it would have looked like we were playing UF more than once a season. Had we relied on the ground game in some of those vs UF we would have won at least 1 and possibly 2. Spurrier talked Phil out of it
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Agree to disagree... You can argue it both ways... You can argue Peyton opened up the running game with his passing (which showing what he's done in the NFL, I think most would agree he doesn't rely on the run game to open up his passing) or you can argue that the run game opened up his passing.. I tend to lean towards him opening up the run game knowing how good of QB he has been in the NFL.. JMO
 
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#42
Remember before anyone gets too excited, we only have two proven commodities coming in at WR and one is coming off an injury. I hope CP is as good as advertised but let's remember juco success does not always translate to SEC success, see Byron Moore. Also, every year everyone gets so excited about Freshmen coming but remember that it is a rarity to have great contributions in their first year. Im just as excited as anyone, I just wanted to point that out.
 
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#43
#43
Realistically guys, we have a HUGE size advantage at WR this coming year.

D.Rodgers - 6'3 215
Hunter - 6'4 200
Croom - 6'5 212
Bowles - 6'1 198
Patterson 6'4 205

Combine that size with some 4.4 speed and all Bray has to do is get the ball in the air and let these guys go up and grab it.
 
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How exactly do you think we'll go 5 wide? With what personnel? We got Patterson, yeah, but has he proven anything yet? No. Did Vincent Dallas catch many passes last year? No. Our best receiver behind Rogers once Hunter went out just left for another school, and you think we have the personnel to go 5 wide? Freshman rarely make an impact in the SEC, especially at WR. Da'rick had over 1,000 yards last year and he didn't make much impact as a freshman. Hunter didn't make an impact till near the end of the season. Don't expect too much too soon. We'll be fine this year running the ball because the offensive line will be older, stronger, and hopefully coached better. We don't have to go 5 wide. Unless you want Tyler Bray snapped in half by a 280 pound defensive end. In the end, I still think it's a 8 win season at least. Things are lookin up.
 
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DefenseisDesire said:
Remember before anyone gets too excited, we only have two proven commodities coming in at WR and one is coming off an injury. I hope CP is as good as advertised but let's remember juco success does not always translate to SEC success, see Byron Moore. Also, every year everyone gets so excited about Freshmen coming but remember that it is a rarity to have great contributions in their first year. Im just as excited as anyone, I just wanted to point that out.
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While I agree with most of what you have said. I do feel freshmen are making huge contributions as of late, especially at UT. See Tyler Bray & Hunter in 2010, without those 2 that year...it would have been even worse. And to think a kid like McCullers can't make an INSTANT impact seems crazy. While he may not make a ton of sacks or TFL, he will change the way teams approach our defense. They go from running it up the middle time after time to having to run screens, options, short passing plays, etc. No way even Trent Richardson could run through McCullers.
 
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Volunteer_22 said:
How exactly do you think we'll go 5 wide? With what personnel? We got Patterson, yeah, but has he proven anything yet? No. Did Vincent Dallas catch many passes last year? No. Our best receiver behind Rogers once Hunter went out just left for another school, and you think we have the personnel to go 5 wide? Freshman rarely make an impact in the SEC, especially at WR. Da'rick had over 1,000 yards last year and he didn't make much impact as a freshman. Hunter didn't make an impact till near the end of the season. Don't expect too much too soon. We'll be fine this year running the ball because the offensive line will be older, stronger, and hopefully coached better. We don't have to go 5 wide. Unless you want Tyler Bray snapped in half by a 280 pound defensive end. In the end, I still think it's a 8 win season at least. Things are lookin up.
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Da'Rick didn't make much of an impact in his freshmen season due to the "talent" we already had like Moore, Stocker, etc. and we also played Matt Simms a lot of his freshmen year. And I don't think you are watching the same Tyler Bray I am when it comes to the kid's toughness. He may be a little on the slim side, but he can take a hit from any DE in the SEC and get right back up. His injury last year was a fluke and was just one of those odd injuries that can happen, just like Hunter..had nothing to do with any pressure coming from a defense. :loco:
 
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bamawriter said:
I totally agree with that. Look at how Oklahoma State and Oregon operate. However, they get to avoid playing defenses with a pulse. Tennessee won't have that luxury.
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Not sure about that. This is a big assumption that Patterson is on the level of the other 2 WRs we have coming back, but do you see any secondaries that can cover all three of these guys? I honestly do not. We saw all the hype of Mathieu get demolished by Da'Rick when he tried to cover him. Most people assume that is the best nickel in CFB, and he couldn't cover Da'Rick. So who will be able to cover Da'Rick in the slot in the SEC? This is not me drinking the orange kool-aid, I feel like you can bring another perspective to argue against it.
 
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#48
#48
I think a lot of looks with the field spread is a good idea, but 5 wide on a regular basis? Bray would get killed.

We have to be able to run the ball. Don't have to be great, but have to be adequate, no matter how many 5 * WRs we have.
 
#49
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bamawriter said:
I totally agree with that. Look at how Oklahoma State and Oregon operate. However, they get to avoid playing defenses with a pulse. Tennessee won't have that luxury.
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Would you not agree that Oregon and OK state would of both wont at least 9-10 games in the SEC last season... Yeah TN may not win the SEC or a NC next season but I would be a hell of a lot happier with a team playing like either of those 2 teams...
 
#50
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Vols817 said:
No. You don't win in the SEC without a running game....
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Florida did under spurrier but this is also a much better SEC now. We gotta be able to do both. And still play defense against good teams. 5 wide won't work against teams like Bama.
 
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