5 Considerations For Fans & This Team -- Old Guy's Take

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TXVol_44 said:
Easssy now! I'm only 52!
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Well, I'll give ya a generational step on the pimple poppers, but, I was out of college when you were a freshman entering high school. You don't even have a passing acquaintance with Old, yet. Don't you dare feign to be peeking out from behind the few gray hairs at your temples. Post like the alpha male you should be in your early 50s. Give no heed or quarter to the mewling posts of callow youths.
 
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jps2194 said:
Great post - although not sure I totally agree on #1. I've seen coaches take that approach before when dealing with a character like Hurd. That approach brings team unity and gives them a sense of control. Furthermore, it prevents further dividing a team if they didn't agree with his decision.
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Thanks, respect that take. I'm more old school in leadership, having spent 20 years in the USN and learned from that model. I've followed other coaches in sports along the way, and it just seems to me that decisive leaders are respected, whether right, wrong, or indifferent. Players understand a coach has a job to do, and the best player-leaders will call out a coach privately and in person if a decision is bogus or detrimental to the team. That's the preferred way for me -- NOT seeking counsel of players to help you make an initial decision.
 
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TXVol_44 said:
Nice points. I disagree with his inability to play TE because Antonio Gates' body of work was on the BASKETBALL court, and you see the results he garnered. He may be an exception, and I'm sure you're thinking along those lines. Just be careful with casting too much doubt on Hurd's ability to play on the end of the line. He is big, strong, fairly fast, and can block well. If he works on routes, catching the ball, and "uncentering" himself from how the world rotates about its axis, he'll be ok.
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I could definitely see Hurd being successful as a TE. He has the physical tools, but I now seriously doubt his mental ability.

Do you really think giving how he quit on UT, he will be willing to put in the work to learn a totally new position? That takes commitment and dedication which we all know he seriously lacks.
 
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TXVol_44 said:
Thanks, respect that take. I'm more old school in leadership, having spent 20 years in the USN and learned from that model. I've followed other coaches in sports along the way, and it just seems to me that decisive leaders are respected, whether right, wrong, or indifferent. Players understand a coach has a job to do, and the best player-leaders will call out a coach privately and in person if a decision is bogus or detrimental to the team. That's the preferred way for me -- NOT seeking counsel of players to help you make an initial decision.
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Definitely see your point and get it from 20 years in the USN - my brother was in USN for 23 years (along with my dad and other brother).

I think both approaches definitely work and the right approach probably depends on the coach's personality and the situation at hand.

It's the same with my kids, sometime I put the hammer down regardless whether they like it or not, and sometimes I lead them to a decision that I want :p
 
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Best post ever. I was a student at UT when there was a UT painted on the hill where north bleachers are. Biology down in the back. We gotta remember who we are and circle the wagons. Go VOLS!
 
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jps2194 said:
I could definitely see Hurd being successful as a TE. He has the physical tools, but I now seriously doubt his mental ability.

Do you really think giving how he quit on UT, he will be willing to put in the work to learn a totally new position? That takes commitment and dedication which we all know he seriously lacks.
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That's for Jalen to decide, not me. Only he knows whether or not he can adapt to a new position. I know Terrell Pryor has done that at Cleveland. I value your point in saying that Hurd's attitude may preclude any change of position. Mr. Pryor put in the work and had the right mindset. He went to the coaches and offered to help the team at another position. Only Jalen can answer the question whether or not he can replicate that.
 
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I am VOL through and through. Alumni as well.Was there the first time the team ran through the T out of the East side locker room. Seen at least 5 games a year since I was a student in the mid-late 70's.

Why did I say that, because I posted something long ago quoting Bear Bryant got shamed here. Note, I've lived in Alabama most of my life and grew up in Alabama. Got a big dose of Bear as a kid (all the while wearing orange to school).

OK, so here goes. It has to do with #2 and some of #1.

Bear had this attitude “If a man is a quitter, I’d rather find out in practice than in a game. I ask for all a player has so I’ll know later what I can expect.”

We just had a guy quit on the team. Jalen's quit may be more mental than physical - he's done some amazing things as a back. But he quit.

Bear also said “We can’t have two standards, one set for the dedicated young men who want to do something ambitious and one set for those who don’t.”

Another couple of things on quitting:

“But there’s one thing about quitters you have to guard against – they are contagious. If one boy goes, the chances are he’ll take somebody with him, and you don’t want that. So when they would start acting that way, I used to pack them up and get them out, or embarrass them, or do something to turn them around.”

“The first time you quit, it’s hard. The second time, it gets easier. The third time, you don’t even have to think about it.”

As for Butch - I don't blame him for putting it up to the team. If it went down as described by multiple sources here - sounds like the team was fed up with the behavior. Perhaps it gave the team a chance to vent directly to the source. Would Saban have handled it that way? I don't know, but I know one thing Saban and Butch have in common. Saban wouldn't let a player tell him what offensive he prefers and expect him to run it, regardless of what was said during a recruiting trip. Sometimes the target shifts.

Before I get flamed for Bear Bryant quotes, here's my favorite.

"People think I'm the greatest damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything I know."


Many of those quotes are found here:
Top 50 quotes from Bear Bryant - Saturday Down South

I hold my nose because of all the Crimson stuff, however, it is clear that Jalen wouldn't have lasted the season with Bear Bryant either.
 
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#3 winning in the trenches.....it starts up front....something the Vols haven't had in some time
 
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ptcarter said:
I am VOL through and through. Alumni as well.Was there the first time the team ran through the T out of the East side locker room. Seen at least 5 games a year since I was a student in the mid-late 70's.

Why did I say that, because I posted something long ago quoting Bear Bryant got shamed here. Note, I've lived in Alabama most of my life and grew up in Alabama. Got a big dose of Bear as a kid (all the while wearing orange to school).

OK, so here goes. It has to do with #2 and some of #1.

Bear had this attitude “If a man is a quitter, I’d rather find out in practice than in a game. I ask for all a player has so I’ll know later what I can expect.”

We just had a guy quit on the team. Jalen's quit may be more mental than physical - he's done some amazing things as a back. But he quit.

Bear also said “We can’t have two standards, one set for the dedicated young men who want to do something ambitious and one set for those who don’t.”

“But there’s one thing about quitters you have to guard against – they are contagious. If one boy goes, the chances are he’ll take somebody with him, and you don’t want that. So when they would start acting that way, I used to pack them up and get them out, or embarrass them, or do something to turn them around.”

As for Butch - I don't blame him for putting it up to the team. If it went down as described by multiple sources here - sounds like the team was fed up with the behavior. Perhaps it gave the team a chance to vent directly to the source. Would Saban have handled it that way? I don't know, but I know one thing Saban and Butch have in common. Saban wouldn't let a player tell him what offensive he prefers and expect him to run it, regardless of what was said during a recruiting trip. Sometimes the target shifts.

Before I get flamed for Bear Bryant quotes, here's my favorite.

"People think I'm the greatest damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything I know."


Many of those quotes are found here:
Top 50 quotes from Bear Bryant - Saturday Down South

I hold my nose because of all the Crimson stuff, however, it is clear that Jalen wouldn't have lasted the season with Bear Bryant either.
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Again, thank you for that perspective. I actually find it interesting to get different takes from different geographies, although we are both located outside of the great state of Tennessee. Great take, thanks for sharing.
 
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Tin Man said:
:hi:

Perchance, did you matriculate when Condredge was playing?
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I saw Condredge play often. I started Fall quarter '75. He was gone by then, but Dad brought us to many games when I was in high school. Condredge is also from Huntsville. Watched him play baseball for Lee High School many times. True VFL.
 
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ptcarter said:
I am VOL through and through. Alumni as well.Was there the first time the team ran through the T out of the East side locker room. Seen at least 5 games a year since I was a student in the mid-late 70's.

Why did I say that, because I posted something long ago quoting Bear Bryant got shamed here. Note, I've lived in Alabama most of my life and grew up in Alabama. Got a big dose of Bear as a kid (all the while wearing orange to school).

OK, so here goes. It has to do with #2 and some of #1.

Bear had this attitude “If a man is a quitter, I’d rather find out in practice than in a game. I ask for all a player has so I’ll know later what I can expect.”

We just had a guy quit on the team. Jalen's quit may be more mental than physical - he's done some amazing things as a back. But he quit.

Bear also said “We can’t have two standards, one set for the dedicated young men who want to do something ambitious and one set for those who don’t.”

Another couple of things on quitting:

“But there’s one thing about quitters you have to guard against – they are contagious. If one boy goes, the chances are he’ll take somebody with him, and you don’t want that. So when they would start acting that way, I used to pack them up and get them out, or embarrass them, or do something to turn them around.”

“The first time you quit, it’s hard. The second time, it gets easier. The third time, you don’t even have to think about it.”

As for Butch - I don't blame him for putting it up to the team. If it went down as described by multiple sources here - sounds like the team was fed up with the behavior. Perhaps it gave the team a chance to vent directly to the source. Would Saban have handled it that way? I don't know, but I know one thing Saban and Butch have in common. Saban wouldn't let a player tell him what offensive he prefers and expect him to run it, regardless of what was said during a recruiting trip. Sometimes the target shifts.

Before I get flamed for Bear Bryant quotes, here's my favorite.

"People think I'm the greatest damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything I know."


Many of those quotes are found here:
Top 50 quotes from Bear Bryant - Saturday Down South

I hold my nose because of all the Crimson stuff, however, it is clear that Jalen wouldn't have lasted the season with Bear Bryant either.
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Thanks for those quotes, I think we can all see why Bryant was successful. Of course my favorite is the one about Neyland!
 
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ptcarter said:
I saw Condredge play often. I started Fall quarter '75. He was gone by then, but Dad brought us to many games when I was in high school. Condredge is also from Huntsville. Watched him play baseball for Lee High School many times. True VFL.
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I was a step ahead of you and saw the Artful Dodger on Shields-Watkins Field.
 
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Tin Man said:
I was a step ahead of you and saw the Artful Dodger on Shields-Watkins Field.
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Here's a picture I took of the winning play against Clemson (I think '73 or '74). Larry Sievers in the foreground just before he caught the pass from Condredge.

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I'm with you, OP (and ptcarter).

I'm a UT class of '78 alum and I'm not old so you aren't either!
 
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Looking like we got an "old guy" thread going! Thanks OP!!

Love the VOLS, no matter what.
 
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ptcarter said:
Here's a picture I took of the winning play against Clemson (I think '73 or '74). Larry Sievers in the foreground just before he caught the pass from Condredge.

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Saw those guys play a few times when I was young (born in '62)..
 
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