5-7 here we come.

#77
#77
I'm not happy with Jones, but I'm not on the firing train just yet. That all depends on staff changes or lack thereof.

That being said, whether or not you defend Jones, you gotta admit that the amount of talent that has either been wasted or simply not developed under this coaching staff is astonishing.
 
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Agreed with the OP. The 'over the top' fan reaction on VN has become almost unbearable. How do so many people live in such a negative place constantly? Our best move now is clearly to have Butch continue to work his butt off in recruiting, replace staff, and prepare for next year. Next, our Athletic Department needs to settle in with a new director. All that is with the understanding that this year was way below expectations. Coaching has to improve. But, I don't see a better play here.
 
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#79
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TheSpartan said:
You can't just flatly compare statistics across different era like that.

11 games used to be 12 games because of added cupcake. Bowls also used to be a much more prestigious deal. The NCAA landscape has not always been the same.

Tennessee is one of the top 10-15 programs in the country and it's not debatable.

The so called "Sunshine Pumpers" are nothing more than millennial scum who want to drag us down to their level.
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I think we're a elite program also but changing coaches at this point would be crazy. 4 years is not enough time to rebuild what we came from.

With Rommel at the helm, our roster was completely depleted. And, Butch walked into a bigger rebuild than any team he's taken over.

I was disappointed with the vandy loss and not being in the sec championship this year but I understand what this team has went through. We are probably lucky that we won 8 games.
 
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TheSpartan said:
The fact is UT is a historically top level football program, just outside of the top 5 or so "elite" tier. It's time to stop eating **** and liking it or we may not be able to change the culture back to what it was.
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Yes. Unfortunately, a lot of this fanbase will use whatever it takes to make the current coach look good
 
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loggervol said:
I think we're a elite program also but changing coaches at this point would be crazy. 4 years is not enough time to rebuild what we came from.

With Rommel at the helm, our roster was completely depleted. And, Butch walked into a bigger rebuild than any team he's taken over.

I was disappointed with the vandy loss and not being in the sec championship this year but I understand what this team has went through. We are probably lucky that we won 8 games.
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I have to ask then, what have you seen from a game plan, in game decision-making, player identification & development standpoint to make you believe Butch will continue to "rebuild" the program with lessor talent? Recruiting is already taking a hit & his track record of the above is quite lacking, imo.
 
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aredfox28 said:
Yeah, big ten is legit this year.. i hate to say it..
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If the SEC doesn't get its' act together, the Big 10 will pass them by...if they haven't already. The coaches in our conference are a friggin joke. Outside of Bama, obviously.
 
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sjt18 said:
There are risks in firing a coach and hiring a new one that you hope will win championships for you.

There is certainty that accepting performance like Jones had this year will result in 2nd tier or worse teams.

What the OP seems to ignore is that Jones went 8-4 with a 10 win team.... and lost to USCe and Vandy.... and has never beaten Muschamp.

Unless he DRASTICALLY improves as a coach, 8 regular season wins is his high water mark. His typical year is 5 to 7 wins.
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And I think most here realize that Butch isn't the answer, but want to keep him anyway because they're afraid of what might happen if we had to find someone else. It's the wimpiest thing ever.

This is like a dysfunctional relationship.
 
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sjt18 said:
There are risks in firing a coach and hiring a new one that you hope will win championships for you.

There is certainty that accepting performance like Jones had this year will result in 2nd tier or worse teams.

What the OP seems to ignore is that Jones went 8-4 with a 10 win team.... and lost to USCe and Vandy.... and has never beaten Muschamp.

Unless he DRASTICALLY improves as a coach, 8 regular season wins is his high water mark. His typical year is 5 to 7 wins.
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I haven't overlooked anything.

What was going on with the team during the usce loss. There was something going on at that time and you can't convince me there wasn't.

I don't know what happened in the vandy game. I think the team panicked though. I've also seen better UT teams lose to vandy,. Can you explain that.
 
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Every year, more and more of our fanbase tries to "educate" others that this top 10-15 program is actually more like Arkansas or South Carolina. That might be the saddest part of this whole thing for me. The more we make excuses for coaches that make terrible gameday decisions, the closer we get to that point.
 
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loggervol said:
I haven't overlooked anything.

What was going on with the team during the usce loss. There was something going on at that time and you can't convince me there wasn't.

I don't know what happened in the vandy game. I think the team panicked though. I've also seen better UT teams lose to vandy,. Can you explain that.
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Well, that's convenient.
 
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JohnD13 said:
We have not been relevant in 20 almost years. No one cares about historic top level teams, that gets you squat.

There is not a single coach out there that we can hire right now that will turn this into a Top 5 program, not a single one.
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Everything about this post is wrong, but if you prefer to be a mid-tier program, we might as well cut Neyland Stadium in half and stop spending so much on facilities and recruiting. Let's just be Virginia
 
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loggervol said:
put their four good teams in our conference and see how well they do.

You have to be kidding me ...????
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Urban Meyer dominated this conference and beat Alabama after he left. Harbaugh is every bit the coach that Meyer is. Those 2 teams would destroy everyone but Alabama.
 
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loggervol said:
If Butch leaves, that's exactly where we'll be for the next 10 years. Because I don't know of any coach that can come in and get the imbecile's what they want in the 1st to the 4th years. And, I don't have any confidence in the people hiring the next coach....

So, please, celebrate getting rid of a 9-4 coach, for someone that can't do the job the present coach is doing.

Thank you guys for making it absolutely unbearable to be on volnation right now. What we need is a little more negativity. So, carry on.
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You're welcome.
 
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volgr said:
You don't have a clue what you are talking about, or you are trolling. If you are trolling, job well done. :good!:
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I'll take a big 10 schedule over our schedule any day. 2 teams are top tier but they only play each other once. And,neither of them are playing for their championship.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Urban Meyer dominated this conference and beat Alabama after he left. Harbaugh is every bit the coach that Meyer is. Those 2 teams would destroy everyone but Alabama.
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Urban Meyer could not handle the grind of SEC football. The stress was too much for his body to take.

Harbaugh is still a work in progress.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Urban Meyer could not handle the grind of SEC football. The stress was too much for his body to take.

Harbaugh is still a work in progress.
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Yeah, because beating everyone (except Saban) is so stressful and Ohio State is a stress-free vacation.

The SEC is nothing special right now. I'm sure it will take some on this board a few years to admit it, but the best conferences are the conferences with the best coaches, and that is no longer the SEC.
 
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NashVol11 said:
And I think most here realize that Butch isn't the answer, but want to keep him anyway because they're afraid of what might happen if we had to find someone else. It's the wimpiest thing ever.

This is like a dysfunctional relationship.
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I believe you and others are misstating the arguments made by those in the 'keep Butch' crowd. From the information I have, I believe the best strategic move is to support Butch and hope he pulls some magic in recruiting and staff hires. Right now is not the time to be searching for a coach with no AD and no clear 'great hires' on the horizon. Compare that to a program that truly has gone off the rails (Notre Dame). I certainly understand why they made a move. I'd hate to see Vol Nation if we suffered through two seasons as they did.
 
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loggervol said:
I haven't overlooked anything.

What was going on with the team during the usce loss. There was something going on at that time and you can't convince me there wasn't.

I don't know what happened in the vandy game. I think the team panicked though. I've also seen better UT teams lose to vandy,. Can you explain that.
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I know its not a popular take for those searching but
Its a poorly coached team and that was evident early in the year. Those 2 games were a culmination of that resulting in losses. It was overlooked early because of some comeback wins and an "exciting" comeback L at A&M that got everyone feeling warm and fuzzy.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Yeah, because beating everyone (except Saban) is so stressful and Ohio State is a stress-free vacation.

The SEC is nothing special right now. I'm sure it will take some on this board a few years to admit it, but the best conferences are the conferences with the best coaches, and that is no longer the SEC.
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My information must be bad. I thought Meyers had a panic attack while at Florida and retired due to health reasons. If that is true he buckled under the pressures of the SEC, if that is not true, then what is the truth?

Sometimes the best conference can be decided by the conf. that wins the NC year after year, even it's the same team year after year.

Go Vols!
 
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Iam4utalways said:
My information must be bad. I thought Meyers had a panic attack while at Florida and retired due to health reasons. If that is true he buckled under the pressures of the SEC, if that is not true, then what is the truth?

Sometimes the best conference can be decided by the conf. that wins the NC year after year, even it's the same team year after year.

Go Vols!
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So his health issues were legit? Or did he have a case of Saban reflux?

And sometimes the best conference is not automatically the one that wins the trophy. It can be just the conference with the best team.
 
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