4+ years of Fulmer or 1 year of Kiffin w/possible violations?

#26
#26
90VOL said:
Were you paying attention from 1999 to 2004? Sanders was offensive coordinator and did a decent job. They screwed around in 2005 with the shuffling of too many quarterback. Fulmer got a little complacent and did not feel the sense of urgency until he was fired. I'm not a Fulmerite and wanted him gone but to blame OC's as to why he is gone would be missing the complete story.
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It's not the whole story, but it's certainly part of it. At a certain point, we couldn't survive on offense by just having better players.
 
#27
#27
tvolsfan said:
Kiffiin's tenure ended in disaster, but there was essentially no possibility of ever winning an SEC title under Fulmer again. That's the disadvantage. We'd basically have to wait until 2012 to start building towards winning the conference. We wouldn't be as far in the whole in 2012 as we are now (assuming Fulmer kept it together as in possibility 2), but we have 3 seasons to build towards it and it could certainly turn out better unless Dooley is incompetent.
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We were an Ainge interception away from taking the SEC in 2007 so don't tell me he wouldn't have won a title if he had stayed. I wanted him gone too but if he had stayed on we would be in so much better shape right now considering the recruiting classes he was in the midst of signing. Hindsight is 20-20 as they say but I would have taken another year of Fulmer to not be in the embarassing situation we are in now.
 
#28
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90VOL said:
We were an Ainge interception away from taking the SEC in 2007 so don't tell me he wouldn't have won a title if he had stayed. I wanted him gone too but if he had stayed on we would be in so much better shape right now considering the recruiting classes he was in the midst of signing. Hindsight is 20-20 as they say but I would have taken another year of Fulmer to not be in the embarassing situation we are in now.
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It was Saban's first year and Meyer's worst year as far as losing players, and they both still kicked our asses. If it wasn't for UF playing LSU and Auburn while we played SEC West Trash, we don't make it. Then we failed when it counted. We were done, and that was our last failed attempt.
 
#30
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90VOL said:
Were you paying attention from 1999 to 2004? Sanders was offensive coordinator and did a decent job. They screwed around in 2005 with the shuffling of too many quarterback. Fulmer got a little complacent and did not feel the sense of urgency until he was fired. I'm not a Fulmerite and wanted him gone but to blame OC's as to why he is gone would be missing the complete story.
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He did a decent job in 2004. Our offense was predictable and poorly disciplined every year he was in charge. You could see it right off the bat in the NC game. Go count how many false starts we had. He didn't know how to run a practice, period.
 
#31
#31
90VOL said:
We were an Ainge interception away from taking the SEC in 2007 so don't tell me he wouldn't have won a title if he had stayed. I wanted him gone too but if he had stayed on we would be in so much better shape right now considering the recruiting classes he was in the midst of signing. Hindsight is 20-20 as they say but I would have taken another year of Fulmer to not be in the embarassing situation we are in now.
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Every coach has these little scenarios of ifs and buts that could make or break respective seasons. The fact that Fulmer's big pivotal moment of his last decade came during in a year in which we were slaughtered by Urban Meyer's worst team, a .500 Pac-10 team, and a .500 Bama team reallysays something. Fact is, we'd already had a bunch of lucky breaks go our way that year to put us in that situation. We could have very easily had a really bad season. What happened was another pretty good, but championshipless season.
 
#32
#32
It was PF's time. LK was a gamble, he got the staff he needed to compete here. But staying a year and leaving added to the previous mess IMO.

Best situation.

Fulmer leaves on his own accord, and not after we drop to the middle of the pack in the SEC. (which didn't happen) We hire a coach that stays more than a year before leaving to replace him. (didn't happen either)
 
#33
#33
kptvol said:
He made a critical mistake elevating Sanders to OC, then bringing back Cutcliffe for a short term solution, and then made one final critical error bringing in Clawson.
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i'd say it was the timing of him bringing in Clawson. But agree with the rest.
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RhodeIslandVol said:
i'd say it was the timing of him bringing in Clawson. But agree with the rest.
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That's right. Shouldn't bring in a guy that needs a long time to get his offense going while you're on the hotseat. Also, hiring Greg Adkins was a huge mistake.
 
#37
#37
i, like many was ready for cpf to go, but i really wish now that they would have given him one more year, instead of hiring kiffin. i really don't believe we would have been any worse than 7-6, which is what snake bliskin did. the recruits that snake signed may or may not have signed with tennessee, but who knows ? i really wish i had never heard of kiffin and really never did have any confidence in him. if this would have happened, of course fulmer would have been fired and i really don't know who would be coaching now. maybe all things do happen for a reason, and that is why we now have derek dooley as our coach. i have all the confidencein the world in him. we have to be patient and hope snake hasn't gotten us in real trouble with the ncaa.
 
#38
#38
The amount of hate for a guy that's more a part of Tennessee than most of us will ever be is astonishing.

Even USC fans defend Pete Carroll and he screwed them over just a few of months ago.

I didn't realize Fulmer winning a national championship is so horrible. I'm going to go out on a big fat branch and assume that Fulmer continuing to support Tennessee has nothing to with the fans. At least not a lot of the fans here.

Fulmer > people who stood in the crowd/sat on the couch watching the 98 championship.
 
#39
#39
don't agree with OP.....even with all the controversy, fans are more interested and involved.....keeping fulmer those years would have only helped the titians
 
#43
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I give Fulmer credit for a NC and a great era of the 90's. But the game did pass him bye.

Now tell me again which major programs or NFL teams that were trying to hire him. I must be having a memory problem.
 
#44
#44
fulmer was great for the ut football program first as oc then as interim coach then as head coach he was the hardest worker in the sec his first 10 years then other programs got younger and more knowledgeble coaches hence they related better to the high school players players had always wanted to play for ut then they wanted to play for anybody in the sec where they could get on the field sooner and still win plus he used to be one of the best recruiting closers in the game and the last 5 or 6 years of his tenure he lost that big advantage that he had always had he had questionable hires and let some of his best coaches change jobs which i think started with mike barry losing the o line job because he and fulmer couldnt get along but for a decade fulmer was great for ut football as head coach he just like many of us held on to long with the way things worked in the past instead of changing with the times like the saying says if you aint moving forward your moving backward and weve moved backward for the last 5 to 8 years
 
#45
#45
Fulmer would of never left on his own.... He thought he was untouchable... that was ultimately his downfall.... "I will do it my way and there is nothing you can do about it. I won a NC for petes sakes." He thought he was on the level of Paterno and Bowden. Sooner or later its time for a change.
 
#46
#46
onevol74 said:
I give Fulmer credit for a NC and a great era of the 90's. But the game did pass him bye.

Now tell me again which major programs or NFL teams that were trying to hire him. I must be having a memory problem.
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You just joined a very long line of people who use the phrase "the game passed him by".

How so?

I say he he was loyal to a fault and made a few bad hires, got complacent and thought he could ride it out on his past achievements.

He didn't however, forget the ins and outs of the game over night.
 
#47
#47
Rasputin_Vol said:
If Fulmer would have left on his own terms, what year would that have been? 2012? When he passed General Neyland with 174 wins? At the rate that our program was going, would it have been better to let Fulmer drag out 5-6 wins a year until he got there or are we better off right now, even with the Kiffin stuff lingering?

:popcorn:
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Been better if Fulmer was canned in 2005.
 
#48
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tvolsfan said:
It's not the whole story, but it's certainly part of it. At a certain point, we couldn't survive on offense by just having better players.
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I would agree with that as the talent in the rest of the league caught up. Fulmer was just unwilling to adjust and to make the tough decision on several staff members.
 
#50
#50
Peter Griffin said:
I think Phil was gunna have the program back to where it needed to be once he got rid of Dave Clawson
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Clawson was only here for 1 year and gibbs thinks he would have been retained for 2009. What was his excuse for 2005? What was his excuse for no championships since 1999?
 
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