4 VOL Quarterbacks Ready to Compete for the Job

[LAVol1]

Once again, rewatch BMs highlights from HS and limited time in college and look deeper than the play itself. Look at the footwork, delivery, platform, arm strength, ball placement etc and then watch Aaron Rodgers and get back to me. Until you’re willing to do the work, you’re just talking.

And just for chits and giggles. No, BM wouldn’t have “won over” a defensive minded coach with a “coach not to lose” mentality and a belief that a qbs is no different than a LB. Brian is too aggressive for that kind of coach. Nice try but you couldn’t be more wrong.

Mauer has the physical tools, but he may not have the ability to quickly analyze and make the right decision. Too many INTs. If he were smart, he would have been more careful with his throws so that he wouldn't get benched for making stupid decisions. Maybe Heupel can coach him to be better. But, maybe not. Comparing him to Rogers is asinine. He has completed just over 50% of his passes, unfortunately 5 of those were to the opponent.

 

[sjt18]

I’ve been very objective in my posting towards players I believe should play. I never said I wasn’t a Shrout fan because I was but he proved he just didn’t have it when he got his chance this past year.

I want what is best for UT and Shrout wasn’t it. That being said, last year Bailey was the best option over JG. Brian was dealing with a lot of stuff and none of the QBs were getting quality reps.

So the best option is to go with the player who has the most upside at the time and that was Bailey last year. So I supported him and still support him this year.

If you asked me my opinion as a fan of the Team I think it will be Bailey who comes out on top. That doesn’t mean that I’m not excited to see who actually will come out on top, whoever, that QB is I will support and back them 100% until they give me a real reason not to.

I'm good with all of that including the possibility that Bailey wins the job. I honestly think it could be any of the 3. If someone started writing Bailey off or unfairly dismissing his talent... I'd defend him too.

Recently people have claimed that Maurer had no chance and did not possess SEC talent. I think he has a good chance and definitely has SEC caliber physical talent. He did some really good things two years ago. He hit tight windows that a lot of guys just can't do. But his decision making wasn't consistent and his handle on the playbook wasn't big enough to really pressure opponents.


I personally hate that Shrout's career at UT went as it did. He obviously had arm talent. He needed some focused coaching and real opportunities to develop. This is where I think Pruitt's obsession with JG hurt the development of the rest of the QB's. What they could do was limited by what JG couldn't do... like throw quick passes into tight windows or deep balls down the middle. He couldn't do things that required a quick read. So the O was tailored to him and practice was tailored to the O. Why practice something that your starter cannot do? There's really no telling how good Shrout could have been in an O built around his arm talent.

I hope he finally gets that at CU and blows up.

 

[1vol8]

Mauer has the physical tools, but he may not have the ability to quickly analyze and make the right decision. Too many INTs. If he were smart, he would have been more careful with his throws so that he wouldn't get benched for making stupid decisions. Maybe Heupel can coach him to be better. But, maybe not. Comparing him to Rogers is asinine. He has completed just over 50% of his passes, unfortunately 5 of those were to the opponent.

Physical tools are the basis of comparisons out of HS. No qbs are as mentally sharp at that point in their career as they will be when/if they reach that Plato.

Your stats are correct but I don’t feel it’s fair to place judgment based solely on that given what we know now about the previous HC. Those that think his stats ARE who he is I feel will be in for a pleasant surprise.

 

[sjt18]

Mauer has the physical tools, but he may not have the ability to quickly analyze and make the right decision. Too many INTs. If he were smart, he would have been more careful with his throws so that he wouldn't get benched for making stupid decisions. Maybe Heupel can coach him to be better. But, maybe not. Comparing him to Rogers is asinine. He has completed just over 50% of his passes, unfortunately 5 of those were to the opponent.

He has good physical ability. His decision making has to be cleaned up or else he won't be the guy. I think this O may favor what he does well and the pace he's comfortable playing at. I don't think the last one did.

Don't think of that as a prediction because it also favors some of the things HB did well. He likes to be decisive and get the ball out quickly as well. For a Fr I thought he did a decent job of throwing to open space... which is supposedly one of the focuses of this O.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Man. We keep getting wires crossed. I honestly don't remember having any problem with you. I think we've probably disagreed on some things and agreed on others. no problem there.

I was specifically talking about Pulaski.

You haven't been arrogant about Maurer but haven't accounted for the facts all that well. I think he said he felt the best he has since he was a Fr. That doesn't necessarily mean he was injured. Lots of guys have nagging things that they can play through but aren't comfortable.

I think you replied to 1vol commenting about me and then brought Pulaski into it lol I might of misinterpreted it.

 

[1vol8]

I think you replied to 1vol commenting about me and then brought Pulaski into it lol I might of misinterpreted it.

Speaking of Pulaski and KTown, has ANYONE seen them around lately?

 

[sjt18]

I think you replied to 1vol commenting about me and then brought Pulaski into it lol I might of misinterpreted it.

I don't have a negative impression of you at all.

 

[sjt18]

Speaking of Pulaski and KTown, has ANYONE seen them around lately?

I told them both before this all played out that people like them go one of two ways. They either just disappear rather than admitting they were wrong... or create a new screen name.

I've had the same screen name since I joined. I've eaten my words several times. I just don't think admitting when you are wrong is a bad thing.

I suspect Pulaski has changed his screen name and is still posting here. I strongly suspect that k-town_king has become Palouse_Prince or something like that on a Wazzou board.

 

[1vol8]

I told them both before this all played out that people like them go one of two ways. They either just disappear rather than admitting they were wrong... or create a new screen name.

I've had the same screen name since I joined. I've eaten my words several times. I just don't think admitting when you are wrong is a bad thing.

I suspect Pulaski has changed his screen name and is still posting here. I strongly suspect that k-town_king has become Palouse_Prince or something like that on a Wazzou board.

I agree. If you’re wrong you’re wrong and for me, admitting it earns respect. Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t just me that they were both gone.

 

[lexkyvol]

Do you have a close relationship with someone on the team with firsthand knowledge of what we are talking about?

1vol8 isn't completely objective. I don't think he's ever claimed that. He's rooting for Maurer obviously. He believes in him having known him for much longer and closer than any of us. While it may be fair to acknowledge his bias... it isn't intelligent to dismiss the core of what he's saying. He likely does KNOW more than you or me at least from Maurer's perspective. Would it help to have "the rest of the story" from Chaney, Pruitt, and others? You bet. We don't. That does nothing to diminish the worth of 1vol8's perspective.

what are you, 1vol8's security guard?

 

[1vol8]

what are you, 1vol8's security guard?

Believe it or not some ADULTS on here have earned the respect of one another. You’re actually in the minority of this board with the way you talk to people and it’s made it harder for you to truly know anything outside of your own opinions.

 

[lexkyvol]

Believe it or not some ADULTS on here have earned the respect of one another. You’re actually in the minority of this board with the way you talk to people and it’s made it harder for you to truly know anything outside of your own opinions.

laughable, especially coming from mr superficial.

look dude, the only knock ive ever given maurer is his ability to read defenses and the lack of has been proven by his play. can he improve on that....anyone can. has he? don't need ur answer. need his PLAY to ANSWER for him! that's why you've been having debate team with over ten posters. nobody wants to hear what you think you know when we all have witnessed live. if his play isnt speaking why are you? i dont see a campfire and you are not dr suess.....so stop telling us stories and let his play speak. up to this point, its spoken negatively. new slate....now he has the chance to turn it around!

 

[1vol8]

laughable, especially coming from mr superficial.

look dude, the only knock ive ever given maurer is his ability to read defenses and the lack of has been proven by his play. can he improve on that....anyone can. has he? don't need ur answer. need his PLAY to ANSWER for him! that's why you've been having debate team with over ten posters. nobody wants to hear what you think you know when we all have witnessed live. if his play isnt speaking why are you? i dont see a campfire and you are not dr suess.....so stop telling us stories and let his play speak. up to this point, its spoken negatively. new slate....now he has the chance to turn it around!

And you’ve watched me defend him because of a lack of preparation. This is a breakdown of Hooker, Maurer and Bailey. Only one drive each but enough to show you why I defend him. You’re wrong if your opinion is he “can’t” read defense. This shows he’s as good at reading defense as any of the other guys. Once again, I defend false narratives.




With that being said I have to give you credit. That was the most respectful post you’ve written in as far back as I can remember.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

And you’ve watched me defend him because of a lack of preparation. This is a breakdown of Hooker, Maurer and Bailey. Only one drive each but enough to show you why I defend him. You’re wrong if your opinion is he “can’t” read defense. This shows he’s as good at reading defense as any of the other guys. Once again, I defend false narratives.




With that being said I have to give you credit. That was the most respectful post you’ve written in as far back as I can remember.

I don’t know if Maurer’s footage shows him “reading” defenses per say. He never made any adjustments and that is basically because the coaching staff didn’t trust him to.

Did he do a good job at throwing to the open receiver, yes, but that was usually because it was his first read.

Honestly I don’t think we’ve seen a game where Maurer was actually allowed to “read” a defense and make his own adjustments.

I’m not hating I just don’t know if this “proves” he can read a defense. If that was true he wouldn’t have the “decision making issues” that is part of reading a defense.

Either way I think all of that improves under CJH.

 

[1vol8]

I don’t know if Maurer’s footage shows him “reading” defenses per say. He never made any adjustments and that is basically because the coaching staff didn’t trust him to.

Did he do a good job at throwing to the open receiver, yes, but that was usually because it was his first read.

Honestly I don’t think we’ve seen a game where Maurer was actually allowed to “read” a defense and make his own adjustments.

I’m not hating I just don’t know if this “proves” he can read a defense. If that was true he wouldn’t have the “decision making issues” that is part of reading a defense.

Either way I think all of that improves under CJH.

He can get better no doubt but truth is none of them made adjustments in that particular video. What they did do was know where they wanted to go by presnap reads. That’s my point.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

He can get better no doubt but truth is none of them made adjustments in that particular video. What they did do was know where they wanted to go by presnap reads. That’s my point.

Yeah I see that and didn’t think about that. Good point.

 

[sjt18]

what are you, 1vol8's security guard?

No. You've just drawn my "interest". Who are YOU... his personal nitpicker?

 

[GoodlettsvilleVol]

Dwight Shrout played for us?

I heard he was a lousy teammate.

 

[Remy]

I don’t know if Maurer’s footage shows him “reading” defenses per say. He never made any adjustments and that is basically because the coaching staff didn’t trust him to.

Did he do a good job at throwing to the open receiver, yes, but that was usually because it was his first read.

Honestly I don’t think we’ve seen a game where Maurer was actually allowed to “read” a defense and make his own adjustments.

I’m not hating I just don’t know if this “proves” he can read a defense. If that was true he wouldn’t have the “decision making issues” that is part of reading a defense.

Either way I think all of that improves under CJH.

As bad as our QB play was last year. Maurer was #4 out of 4 and couldn't hardly get on the field at all. If Heupel comes to the media and says Maurer is my guy he'll most likely be stuck with him for a few years as HB will be gone, Salter has one foot out the door now. Hooker I'm pretty sure wastes zero eligibility he has left sitting, so Heupel goes to war with last year's #4 QB as his starter and his backup most likely his 2021 season's #4 out of 4 QBs in the spring as his #2. Good luck with that product Vols, we'll need it.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

As bad as our QB play was last year. Maurer was #4 out of 4 and couldn't hardly get on the field at all. If Heupel comes to the media and says Maurer is my guy he'll most likely be stuck with him for a few years as HB will be gone, Salter has one foot out the door now. Hooker I'm pretty sure wastes zero eligibility he has left sitting, so Heupel goes to war with last year's #4 QB as his starter and his backup most likely his 2021 season's #4 out of 4 QBs in the spring as his #2. Good luck with that product Vols, we'll need it.

I honestly think HB will win the job, that being said, they all have a chance so.... it’ll be interesting. All I know is whoever is chosen to start is going to produce.

 

[sjt18]

look dude, the only knock ive ever given maurer is his ability to read defenses and the lack of has been proven by his play.

Yet you wanted Shrout to be the starter who even after a couple of years in the program could not read defenses effectively. I think you even defended JG on that count. The only one you have a problem with is Maurer.

that's why you've been having debate team with over ten posters. nobody wants to hear what you think you know when we all have witnessed live.

There are a lot of "somebodies" who welcome 1vol8's insights... understanding that he's close to Maurer.

up to this point, its spoken negatively. new slate....now he has the chance to turn it around!

And there is your problem with 1vol8 and really anyone who isn't a Maurer hater like you. He's made mistakes and he's also shown flashes. There's both negative AND POSITIVE... but you only accept the negative.

 

[sjt18]

As bad as our QB play was last year. Maurer was #4 out of 4 and couldn't hardly get on the field at all. If Heupel comes to the media and says Maurer is my guy he'll most likely be stuck with him for a few years as HB will be gone, Salter has one foot out the door now. Hooker I'm pretty sure wastes zero eligibility he has left sitting, so Heupel goes to war with last year's #4 QB as his starter and his backup most likely his 2021 season's #4 out of 4 QBs in the spring as his #2. Good luck with that product Vols, we'll need it.

So essentially you are saying that if the guy with the most physical talent develops that talent after sticking through Pruitt's non-sense for the past two years and wins the starting job... that's a bad thing for the Vols? "Stuck with him"? If he beats Hooker and Bailey out then hangs onto the job once games start... then how are we "stuck with him" as if he was nothing but the last guy left?

I agree with you often but your bias against Maurer is a head scratcher.

If those guys cannot handle competition then they should go. I think that's what many said about Maurer, right?


One of the practice reports said something interesting. They said that Maurer and Hooker carried themselves like they were the #1 QB. HB wasn't mentioned. Against "routes on air", Maurer so far has impressed reporters more than the others for what little that means. IMHO, the competition will run right up to game prep week this August. We may get a sense of who might be separating themselves... but all 3 are likely to be in it until then. All three have the talent to win the job and perform well. When someone finally wins the job... we won't be "stuck" with them.

 

[1vol8]

As bad as our QB play was last year. Maurer was #4 out of 4 and couldn't hardly get on the field at all. If Heupel comes to the media and says Maurer is my guy he'll most likely be stuck with him for a few years as HB will be gone, Salter has one foot out the door now. Hooker I'm pretty sure wastes zero eligibility he has left sitting, so Heupel goes to war with last year's #4 QB as his starter and his backup most likely his 2021 season's #4 out of 4 QBs in the spring as his #2. Good luck with that product Vols, we'll need it.

Why don’t you just come out and say “I trust Pruitts evaluation of qbs”?

And you have no idea what you’re talking about. Maurer was #2 all season until HE chose otherwise. And yes that’s a fact

 

[GAVol]

As bad as our QB play was last year. Maurer was #4 out of 4 and couldn't hardly get on the field at all.

Had to be something going on with him health-wise. Pretty sure it was Covid and a hamstring early on and then I wonder if he didn't just shut it down the 2nd half of the year to recover. Nobody ever really said.

 

[1vol8]

Had to be something going on with him health-wise.

Not health related