4 VOL Quarterbacks Ready to Compete for the Job

[sjt18]

Bailey is the guy.

Nuff said.

Well, no. Your conjecture isn't "nuff said". If you had to read anything into the OC's recent comments then Hooker leads. But many of us expected him to enter the competition with an advantage due to experience. Bailey is the least mobile of the 4. He doesn't have the strongest arm. If he wins the job... then it will be because of his decision making. That's fine with me.... but he's hardly "the guy" at this point.

 

[butchna]

There’s actually proof of it my man. They measure arm strength at the elite 11. His long toss was 58 yards. But what you’re failing to realize is arm strength is just a bonus and only plays a fraction of overall talent. My point is saying he doesn’t have the arm strength of the others is true but it doesn’t mean those that say it are claiming he’s not talented. You just take it that way because you don’t want to hear it.

What I find ironic is when someone says something about HBs arm strength you get defensive. Yet you have been quoted saying BM isn’t an SEC talent. . So answer me this, how is BM not an SEC talent with more arm strength than HB, just as accurate (but better deep), one of the fastest and most athletic players on the team and has already proven your claim “false” against the best teams in college football? Maybe it’s YOUR narrative that’s “nonsense” and “silly”.

Because you’re a Maurer fanboy and even if what you’re saying is dead-on, your obvious bias is inherent. Face value kind of thing. Here’s betting your constant reliance on Elite 11 science would be muted if Maurer hadn’t shone in shorts. Line forms to the right with those who excelled in that glorified Run Pass & Punt contest...who were never seen again. I honestly hope he’s actually as good as you preach...better for my team. But I don’t believe you due to your Freak Show Barker act.

 

[butchna]

My eyes projected onto a message board 2 years ago and you said I was FOS.

Still do. Aaron Rodgers clone with measurable moxie would have even won over Pruitt. You’re his WWE manager.

 

[sjt18]

Still do. Aaron Rodgers clone with measurable moxie would have even won over Pruitt. You’re his WWE manager.

I can't discount Pruitt's blind spots. We all have our preferences. He apparently likes guys like JG who feel "safe" and dislikes guys like Maurer... who definitely didn't "feel safe". JG appears to be very risk averse. Maurer appears to be the opposite. JG could never push himself to more risks... BM may or may not be able to rein himself in and make better decisions.

 

[VolFanNC09]

I actually have no idea who will be the starter Game 1. I am happy this year though as I believe this is a truly open competition. I hope the QBs realize too, that its like the number 1 and number 2 will play this year as it is difficult in the SEC to get through all games with the same QB. Possible, but difficult. I think we should just enjoy the fact that this staff will play the best QB for their system and haven't made up their minds and that when the backup comes in, we won't look totally lost.

 

[1vol8]

Because you’re a Maurer fanboy and even if what you’re saying is dead-on, your obvious bias is inherent. Face value kind of thing. Here’s betting your constant reliance on Elite 11 science would be muted if Maurer hadn’t shone in shorts. Line forms to the right with those who excelled in that glorified Run Pass & Punt contest...who were never seen again. I honestly hope he’s actually as good as you preach...better for my team. But I don’t believe you due to your Freak Show Barker act.

So if I told the truth about what I seen with my own eyes and it was dead on, simply put, the truth is not biased. It’s factual.

The elite 11 is a very good indicator of actual talent that may fly under the radar (positive or negative). It’s WHY it’s so “glorified” to begin with. How many QBs are a product of the TEAM they played for vs the TEAM being a product of them? The only way to know for sure IS the elite 11 where they get all the nations best athletes together in one spot to compete against each other. That “line to the right” you speak is long, you’re right. However, it’s comprised of qbs that didn’t do well in the competition. Those that did do well are in the line to the left. Those are the ones we watch play on Saturdays and Sundays.

 

[butchna]

I can't discount Pruitt's blind spots. We all have our preferences. He apparently likes guys like JG who feel "safe" and dislikes guys like Maurer... who definitely didn't "feel safe". JG appears to be very risk averse. Maurer appears to be the opposite. JG could never push himself to more risks... BM may or may not be able to rein himself in and make better decisions.

He was stubborn with no peer. He also never hinted at Trey Smith having to compete for his job. When they were clearly the best, they played. We all knew there was no benefit of JG starting by the midpoint of the Kentucky. But if Maurer had been flawless in practice...like it was the Elite 11...he would have been on the field in at least Bailey minutes. The offensive system was crap! But a diamond sparkles in a sewer...he didn’t. I give him the same amount of odds as anyone else to win this job. I just don’t need his internet hype man telling us what’s wrong with everyone else in the competition. It’s unfair for anyone to dismiss Maurer based on what he had to endure in his limited window. Shout that down with my blessing. I simply bristle at a self appointed fanboy expert declaring HIS truth as gospel.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

@1vol8

One serious question. Knowing that Maurer was not comfortable under center going into college. As his QB coach why was that not worked on?

Why did he have to learn that in college when he should have been well rounded going in to college?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: (It sort of became 2 questions sorry)

 

[1vol8]

Still do. Aaron Rodgers clone with measurable moxie would have even won over Pruitt. You’re his WWE manager.

Once again, rewatch BMs highlights from HS and limited time in college and look deeper than the play itself. Look at the footwork, delivery, platform, arm strength, ball placement etc and then watch Aaron Rodgers and get back to me. Until you’re willing to do the work, you’re just talking.

And just for chits and giggles. No, BM wouldn’t have “won over” a defensive minded coach with a “coach not to lose” mentality and a belief that a qbs is no different than a LB. Brian is too aggressive for that kind of coach. Nice try but you couldn’t be more wrong.

 

[butchna]

So if I told the truth about what I seen with my own eyes and it was dead on, simply put, the truth is not biased. It’s factual.

The elite 11 is a very good indicator of actual talent that may fly under the radar (positive or negative). It’s WHY it’s so “glorified” to begin with. How many QBs are a product of the TEAM they played for vs the TEAM being a product of them? The only way to know for sure IS the elite 11 where they get all the nations best athletes together in one spot to compete against each other. That “line to the right” you speak is long, you’re right. However, it’s comprised of qbs that didn’t do well in the competition. Those that did do well are in the line to the left. Those are the ones we watch play on Saturdays and Sundays.

You’re BIASED. Your EYES are part of that. The Elite 11 is a glorified 7 on 7 Nike exposition. Shrout has a stronger arm than Maurer and didn’t get invited...so it’s not scientific. Bailey can make every throw. Throwing deep requires repetition. Maurer can make every throw and there are more sound effects. Doesn’t account for recognizing defensive shifts and disguised coverages. The best suited for what these coaches need in their signalcaller will be identified...as well as the second, third whatevs. If your boy is truly the best we’ll see him first.

 

[butchna]

Once again, rewatch BMs highlights from HS and limited time in college and look deeper than the play itself. Look at the footwork, delivery, platform, arm strength, ball placement etc and then watch Aaron Rodgers and get back to me. Until you’re willing to do the work, you’re just talking.

And just for chits and giggles. No, BM wouldn’t have “won over” a defensive minded coach with a “coach not to lose” mentality and a belief that a qbs is no different than a LB. Brian is too aggressive for that kind of coach. Nice try but you couldn’t be more wrong.

That’s the reason they’re called HIGHLIGHT films. We don’t see the questionable things. JG had a highlight film.

 

[sjt18]

He was stubborn with no peer. He also never hinted at Trey Smith having to compete for his job. When they were clearly the best, they played. We all knew there was no benefit of JG starting by the midpoint of the Kentucky. But if Maurer had been flawless in practice...like it was the Elite 11...he would have been on the field in at least Bailey minutes. The offensive system was crap! But a diamond sparkles in a sewer...he didn’t. I give him the same amount of odds as anyone else to win this job. I just don’t need his internet hype man telling us what’s wrong with everyone else in the competition. It’s unfair for anyone to dismiss Maurer based on what he had to endure in his limited window. Shout that down with my blessing. I simply bristle at a self appointed fanboy expert declaring HIS truth as gospel.

Yeah. I know you and 1vol8 have your issues. But Pruitt viewed his QB's through a lens. He appeared to be risk averse in the extreme which shaped the way he viewed all 4 QB's in practice. Many HC's now and probably all of the successful ones are looking for QB's that take risks and then improve their mistakes. Pruitt seemed to be fixated on JG because he seemed "safe". He probably didn't make mistakes in practice. H probably "managed" the O well. I have long believed that JG's issue wasn't what he did but what he could not do.

 

[butchna]

Yeah. I know you and 1vol8 have your issues. But Pruitt viewed his QB's through a lens. He appeared to be risk averse in the extreme which shaped the way he viewed all 4 QB's in practice. Many HC's now and probably all of the successful ones are looking for QB's that take risks and then improve their mistakes. Pruitt seemed to be fixated on JG because he seemed "safe". He probably didn't make mistakes in practice. H probably "managed" the O well. I have long believed that JG's issue wasn't what he did but what he could not do.

I’m aware of Pruitt’s faults in that arena. Doesn’t change my take on this situation. If Maurer hadn’t been injured, he would’ve received more leash. But when he fully returned he’d lost something and opposing teams has figured him out. JMO

 

[1vol8]

@1vol8

One serious question. Knowing that Maurer was not comfortable under center going into college. As his QB coach why was that not worked on?

Why did he have to learn that in college when he should have been well rounded going in to college?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: (It sort of became 2 questions sorry)

That’s all right. It was worked on and it wasn’t as much of a problem as it was made out to be. Brian simply told Pruitt that he never took snaps from under center in HS (not “ever” period). It wasn’t often but he absolutely did with no problems whatsoever. Prior to HS he took snaps from under center about as much as he took snaps out of the shotgun in HS.

 

[TnAngler]

I do not see anyone mentioning Hendon Hooker. This young man has speed, good arm strength and more games under his belt. What are some thoughts on his earning the spot.

 

[1vol8]

That’s the reason they’re called HIGHLIGHT films. We don’t see the questionable things. JG had a highlight film.

Try and keep up Butchna. You’re NOT looking at the “play”. You’re looking deeper than the surface. If you want to know where the Aaron Rodgers comparison comes from, do the work instead of criticizing me for doing it. Footwork, delivery, arm strength, platform, trajectory, ball placement, internal clock. I can go on and on but I think you should get the point. It’s his overall playing style and ability.

 

[1vol8]

I do not see anyone mentioning Hendon Hooker. This young man has speed, good arm strength and more games under his belt. What are some thoughts on his earning the spot.

I think he has the early lead because of what you just mentioned. I believe he’ll have the edge in being looked at first.

 

[sjt18]

I’m aware of Pruitt’s faults in that arena. Doesn’t change my take on this situation. If Maurer hadn’t been injured, he would’ve received more leash. But when he fully returned he’d lost something and opposing teams has figured him out. JMO

I think he was a different player after coming back. I have a few thoughts on why... but nothing concrete.

I think he will benefit maybe more than anyone from a new HC and new start. But decision making is going to be the separator IMO. He has to get better or he won't play.

 

[sjt18]

I do not see anyone mentioning Hendon Hooker. This young man has speed, good arm strength and more games under his belt. What are some thoughts on his earning the spot.

Agree with @1vol8 above. I think Hooker enters with a lead. He has experience and success. He's played in a somewhat similar system. He's a better runner than he is fast if that makes sense. Somewhat like Dobbs but not quite in that class. I think the OC mentioned his decision making... which bodes very well for him.

 

[1vol8]

I think he was a different player after coming back. I have a few thoughts on why... but nothing concrete.

I think he will benefit maybe more than anyone from a new HC and new start. But decision making is going to be the separator IMO. He has to get better or he won't play.

 

[sjt18]

I want to see what he can do commanding the O and making the right decisions. His physical ability wasn't in doubt even while playing with some "hurts".

Do you know his current weight? He's listed as 6'3" 205.

 

[1vol8]

I want to see what he can do commanding the O and making the right decisions. His physical ability wasn't in doubt even while playing with some "hurts".

Do you know his current weight? He's listed as 6'3" 205.

I’m not sure but I seen that myself. I found it funny that he was listed as 195 for two years and all of a sudden, after a new coach, he jumps to 205. He was 202 the last time I checked (Spring 2019)

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

That’s all right. It was worked on and it wasn’t as much of a problem as it was made out to be. Brian simply told Pruitt that he never took snaps from under center in HS (not “ever” period). It wasn’t often but he absolutely did with no problems whatsoever. Prior to HS he took snaps from under center about as much as he took snaps out of the shotgun in HS.

I see. But didn’t Chaney and Weinke comment on it to and it was a big issue? It wasn’t just a Pruitt thing.

On the other hand if they were just pushing that narrative because they were starting an inexperienced QB that is a disservice by them for Maurer.

 

[1vol8]

You’re BIASED. Your EYES are part of that. The Elite 11 is a glorified 7 on 7 Nike exposition. Shrout has a stronger arm than Maurer and didn’t get invited...so it’s not scientific. Bailey can make every throw. Throwing deep requires repetition. Maurer can make every throw and there are more sound effects. Doesn’t account for recognizing defensive shifts and disguised coverages. The best suited for what these coaches need in their signalcaller will be identified...as well as the second, third whatevs. If your boy is truly the best we’ll see him first.

This argument is getting tired. Who’s to say he can’t read defense? He made two mistakes in the MSST game that warranted that claim. He never blatantly put the ball in harms way vs UGA, Alabama or UK but somehow those TWO vs MSST are the catalyst of such a premature determination. Otherwise those that claim such a thing are referring to games he was thrown in cold and unprepared. Name a game where ANY of us seen him so much as warming up his arm on the sidelines BEFORE he came into the game. If you can’t name a game, you’ve never seen it. And I bet you can’t name one because it never happened. #coachingmalpractice, not player shortcomings.

 

[1vol8]

I see. But didn’t Chaney and Weinke comment on it to and it was a big issue? It wasn’t just a Pruitt thing.

He told Weinke that as well and even put it in those terms. Not their fault for assuming he meant it at face value. But no, that’s not completely true.