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Johnny Majors' Ghost

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When Florida loses to Alabama next weekend every other SEC team besides the Crimson Tide will have 4 or more losses. There is no better time than now for a home run coaching hire. With Orgeron seemingly being the only change this year the trend of Bama dominance will continue. While all the other football programs won't be gaining much, if any, ground.
 
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is the show cause expired yet ?
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WooleyDooley2010 said:
When Florida loses to Alabama next weekend every other SEC team besides the Crimson Tide will have 4 or more losses. There is no better time than now for a home run coaching hire. With Orgeron seemingly being the only change this year the trend of Bama dominance will continue. While all the other football programs won't be gaining much, if any, ground.
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So we have one of the better records in the toughest conference in football..and we should fire our coach?
 
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JFreak said:
Yup. And it's because every university fires their coach at the first mis-step. Longest tenured coach in the SEC is Saban.. and he pretty much just got there. Let that sink in.
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This. His success at bama has set impossible standards for the rest of the conference. That's why the old powers of the sec will probably never be again, schools like Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, etc. want a NC in 2-3 years, or its hit the road.
 
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joevol33 said:
This. His success at bama has set impossible standards for the rest of the conference. That's why the old powers of the sec will probably never be again, schools like Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, etc. want a NC in 2-3 years, or its hit the road.
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Yet our so called fans and the Knoxville media continue to grab shovels and dig their own grave at the first opportunity. Frequent coaching changes are a downward spiral.
 
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JFreak said:
Yup. And it's because every university fires their coach at the first mis-step. Longest tenured coach in the SEC is Saban.. and he pretty much just got there. Let that sink in.
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To me, it's one thing if you are fielding a sound team, competitive etc and you drop a tough game or two (Mark Richt) and you are fielding a pathetic team that allows bad teams to put up historic numbers week after week.

We won games because we have talent. That talent has not been developed into a cohesive unit. Everyone can see it, some just will not admit it
 
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volfannbama said:
To me, it's one thing if you are fielding a sound team, competitive etc and you drop a tough game or two (Mark Richt) and you are fielding a pathetic team that allows bad teams to put up historic numbers week after week.

We won games because we have talent. That talent has not been developed into a cohesive unit. Everyone can see it, some just will not admit it
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This is my thinking on it too. We could be a 12-0 or 11-1 team talent wise, so that's not the problem. It looks like to me our players don't trust the system and/or coaches. I think we saw Butch Jones' true colors when he left Josh Dobbs in the trenches taking grenades from the media. I had faith in Butch, but I can't support a guy who can't take some responsibility for the sloppiness on both sides of the ball. Our defense looks like it's everyone's first time on the field.
 
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WooleyDooley2010 said:
When Florida loses to Alabama next weekend every other SEC team besides the Crimson Tide will have 4 or more losses. There is no better time than now for a home run coaching hire. With Orgeron seemingly being the only change this year the trend of Bama dominance will continue. While all the other football programs won't be gaining much, if any, ground.
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Yup ...and watch our recruiting class and 30% of our existing team crumble. All these can't miss hires flopped this year and do every year. Do you know of a 'home run' hire ? Or just some 'speculative home run' hires ...that have a greater chance of flopping than being a home run ? So if no guaranteed home run hire is out there and we take one of these 'speculative home runs' and they dont flop but do just okay ( as CBJ has done ) we will be in this same situation in 4 to 6 years ?

I wish someone would clue me in on these home runs and show me how more years of darkness are not ahead with a new coach
 
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jakez4ut said:
The SEC is average at best this year and that's being kind
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Why? Because everyone is beating each other?

We won't know if the SEC is average or its usual self until bowl season.

I personally don't buy into this media narrative the SEC is down and the Big 10 is great. In terms of recruiting the SEC still dominates everyone. And in terms of NFL draft picks the SEC still dominates.

Regular season college football action proves nothing since most of the games are intra-conference. All it proves is whether a conference is balanced (as seems to be the case in the SEC this year since everyone but Bama has 4-5 losses) or if the conference is top heavy (like the Big 10 where 4 teams have separated themselves from the pack).

If the SEC dominates bowl season like it did last year. And if the Big 10 flops like it did last year. Then this entire regular season narrative of the SEC being down and the Big 10 being the best goes down the drain.
 
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JFreak said:
Yup. And it's because every university fires their coach at the first mis-step. Longest tenured coach in the SEC is Saban.. and he pretty much just got there. Let that sink in.
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This is hardly Butch's "first misstep." The sad part is, he'll still be here.
 
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Wylo said:
This is hardly Butch's "first misstep." The sad part is, he'll still be here.
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Let's see:

Having to go to OT to beat Appy St.
Not having the team ready to come out and play in SEVERAL games this year.
Losses to USCjr and Vandy
DBs with no idea how to cover
SO MANY injuries
Handling of the Hurd situation
Coach Speak
Champions of Life

2015 Oklahoma and Florida games
Arkansas Loss
More Coach Speak...

I just can't go on talking about Lyle's "missteps"...it is just going to anger me.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Why? Because everyone is beating each other?

We won't know if the SEC is average or its usual self until bowl season.

I personally don't buy into this media narrative the SEC is down and the Big 10 is great. In terms of recruiting the SEC still dominates everyone. And in terms of NFL draft picks the SEC still dominates.

Regular season college football action proves nothing since most of the games are intra-conference. All it proves is whether a conference is balanced (as seems to be the case in the SEC this year since everyone but Bama has 4-5 losses) or if the conference is top heavy (like the Big 10 where 4 teams have separated themselves from the pack).

If the SEC dominates bowl season like it did last year. And if the Big 10 flops like it did last year. Then this entire regular season narrative of the SEC being down and the Big 10 being the best goes down the drain.
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Are you serious man? SEC dominance is a joke, its fake. Only hardcore SEC fans believe it and wont let it go for any reason. If the bowl games matter, why not consider the OCC games played during the regular season? I
 
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JFreak said:
Yes but WHY has the SEC been trending downwards the last few years? It sure isn't talent/recruiting..
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coaching in the SEC, in the East in particular, hasn't been very good. and while recruiting in the SEC as a whole is still very good...no one is doing it like Bama is.

Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Why? Because everyone is beating each other?

We won't know if the SEC is average or its usual self until bowl season.

I personally don't buy into this media narrative the SEC is down and the Big 10 is great. In terms of recruiting the SEC still dominates everyone. And in terms of NFL draft picks the SEC still dominates.

Regular season college football action proves nothing since most of the games are intra-conference. All it proves is whether a conference is balanced (as seems to be the case in the SEC this year since everyone but Bama has 4-5 losses) or if the conference is top heavy (like the Big 10 where 4 teams have separated themselves from the pack).

If the SEC dominates bowl season like it did last year. And if the Big 10 flops like it did last year. Then this entire regular season narrative of the SEC being down and the Big 10 being the best goes down the drain.
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FL can't play offense. LSU can't play offense. Tennessee can't play defense. ARK can't decide what they're going to be week to week. Ole Miss and MSU are both down from the past 2-3 years. KY and MO don't play defense....aTm turns out doesn't play defense either.

no one in the SEC, save Bama has an offensive line that's worth writing home about.

you're free to feel however you want, but as an SEC homer by nature, the 2016 version of the SEC can't hold a candle to the SEC that was around 5+ years ago. not even close.

the only team this league can prop up this year is Bama. Bama could beat anyone in the country.

Michigan, Ohio State, Clemson, Washington, Wisconsin....are all better than the next best team in the SEC...and i'm not really sure who that is at this point. it ain't us, i know that. probably a pick 'em between FL, Auburn and LSU. and FL just lost to FSU convincingly, Auburn lost to Clemson and LSU lost to Wisconsin.

compared to what we're used to seeing from the SEC...the SEC in large part is just soft this year.

no really physical offensive lines, downgrades in coaching across the board, lack of quality qb play....all play a part in this.
 
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JFreak said:
Yes but WHY has the SEC been trending downwards the last few years? It sure isn't talent/recruiting..
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The coaching (specifically in the east) is poor. The most proven coach just got hammered by an average FSU team and their fans very skeptical about his long term returns.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The coaching (specifically in the east) is poor. The most proven coach just got hammered by an average FSU team and their fans very skeptical about his long term returns.
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Ok, why is the coaching poor? Hint: The answer is very near the top of the thread.
 
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Skizer41 said:
Seriously why hasn't his name been thrown around more? Is it because he's been out of a major program for too long?
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Because he had a show cause ban for 5 years is part of it.


The other is that he's been Youngstown State University's President for the last 3 years...and that would be a whole other kind of mess of negotiations than for when a football coach just leaves one program's athletic department for another.
 
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JFreak said:
Yes but WHY has the SEC been trending downwards the last few years? It sure isn't talent/recruiting..
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No one wants to admit this but its because the "middle tier" programs in the SEC, GA, TN, FL, LSU, AU, TAM are all relatively equal in talent and coaching and money - at least compared to most programs outside. Each one of those teams would be consistently in the top 3 of the conference anywhere else but SEC. But since they all play each other, it is VERY hard to stand out - they are ALL already 2 standard deviations from the mean (roughly in the top 5% of all programs or #1 in 22). To be 3 standard deviations (top 1/3 of 1% or #1 in 370) is basically to be the NC winner every year.

Then there is the great sucking sound that is Bama, the destroyer of worlds, who sadly has been able to string together NCs or very close for an extended period of time. Saban is almost a "black swan" event personified, especially in today's modern era of football. It is simply not useful to compare a coach's (or program) success against Bama's metrics, as it is very likely a once in a lifetime string of events. Yet, that is exactly what every program is doing, certainly in the SEC - trying to emulate Bama, and giving every new coach exactly 3-4 years to recreate Saban's success or else. Interestingly, though Saban is unprecedented in college ball, he could not make a similar breakthrough in the NFL.
 
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