3rd and Chavis becomes 3rd and Wilcox

#77
#77
GAVol said:
We're playing deep coverage to take away deep balls and big plays.
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I see. And My coaching experience tells me that if the D doesn't get off the field, more scores will result; not to mention that the Offense can't do much sitting on the bench either. So how bout telling the D coaches that to play well on first and second downs and then give up the first on third down is ---well---asinine. :)
 
#79
#79
g8terh8ter_eric said:
When you have a team that can beat you deep almost everytime you line up on the LOS, you have to keep them in front of you. It's speed killing 101. If not, you going to piss and moan about getting beat deep, which we didn't do all day yesterday.
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I said that it needs to be resolved, not that it was bad scheming. I understand why we did it, and if our D-line had been able to get a solid pass rush, I imagine that number would've been better. But still, we were effectively giving up 75% on 3rd and 8+, and that has to change if we want to win games.
 
#80
#80
Outdors21 said:
I've watched all these games this year and just wonder how different the defensive backfield would be if Myles wasn't a moron and if Oliver hadn't shredded his knee.

Add in Walls/Martin...and I really think this defense could've been special.
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You are correct. Be patient. This unit is developing each game and I believe it shows. Florida got lucky to be frank but I think the OL is coming along a bit more and the defense is playing undermanned. However, if Wilcox keeps the "no quit" in this unit it will prove to be special shorthanded or not. BUT BUT I must say I'm concerned about Waggner, he seems persistently beaten by WRs whether they are thrown to or not.
 
#81
#81
Ok.
let's put this into more simple terms for some of you.
On first down you scheme to put the Offense in a bad position..i.e behind the chains on 2nd down...then on 2nd down..you pretty much scheme the same way...so that on 3rd down you can scheme TO STOP THE OTHER TEAM FROM GETTING A FIRST DOWN AND GET OFF THE FIELD.
If our scheme is going to be don't get beat deep then this team is in huge trouble as we move later in the year and the boys get more and more tired....The speed of Florida hurt UT as the game wore on...it was not a huge deal early... but if you have to stay on the field as a defensive unit when you are smaller with less depth then you get tired....and then they have drives like they did in the 3rd and 4th quarter.....
see....
oh you don't...ok.. lets simplify more...i would almost say better to give up a 80 yd bomb on 3rd and 11 that Brantley has to hit perfect...which he has not proven he could do yet than to let them drive up and down the field versus the D...no I don't want that to happen...but maybe it gives the D a break versus 5 minutes minimum of clock time they had to be on field after giving up the long 3rd downs.
now some of you are going to say are you nuts..no..i may not have explained it perfectly but hopefully those will catch a clue
 
#82
#82
don't bail out 3rd and 11 to not give up big play and get tired..how about man the fk up and make the other team make a play versus sitting back watching them do it.
show some confidence in your young talented defense.
 
#83
#83
I'm not sure what you saw Saturday but from my seat, are defense was in position to make the stops repeatedly on 3rd and long. They just missed tackles, most of the time because freshmen thought they could just block an SEC player into submission. To me Wilcox defense looks tighter than any we've seen in the past three years at TN, especially when you consider the experience.
 
#84
#84
HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
Ok.
let's put this into more simple terms for some of you.
On first down you scheme to put the Offense in a bad position..i.e behind the chains on 2nd down...then on 2nd down..you pretty much scheme the same way...so that on 3rd down you can scheme TO STOP THE OTHER TEAM FROM GETTING A FIRST DOWN AND GET OFF THE FIELD.
If our scheme is going to be don't get beat deep then this team is in huge trouble as we move later in the year and the boys get more and more tired....The speed of Florida hurt UT as the game wore on...it was not a huge deal early... but if you have to stay on the field as a defensive unit when you are smaller with less depth then you get tired....and then they have drives like they did in the 3rd and 4th quarter.....
see....
oh you don't...ok.. lets simplify more...i would almost say better to give up a 80 yd bomb on 3rd and 11 that Brantley has to hit perfect...which he has not proven he could do yet than to let them drive up and down the field versus the D...no I don't want that to happen...but maybe it gives the D a break versus 5 minutes minimum of clock time they had to be on field after giving up the long 3rd downs.
now some of you are going to say are you nuts..no..i may not have explained it perfectly but hopefully those will catch a clue
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I found a clue. ..you would complain either way.
 
#85
#85
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Let me ask you this then...

If our CBs, which are no where near as fast as Florida's WR's, come up to jam at the line, and then they get beat horribly for a TD, are you going to still complain. If the answer is yes, you should probably pickup a book on coaching against speed like Florida's. If you have the speed to lock up with those guys and jam them, then you can do that. Otherwise, your going to be made to look like a fool as a DC.
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This is all I'm trying to say g8, they have to stop some of these third and longs. I know there not going to stop all of them but it has to be better. I have seen it year after year and it makes me sick. we have probably the best 1st and 2nd down defense in the country, but when third down comes its a totally different story. just saying.
 
#86
#86
g8terh8ter_eric said:
When you have a team that can beat you deep almost everytime you line up on the LOS, you have to keep them in front of you. It's speed killing 101. If not, you going to piss and moan about getting beat deep, which we didn't do all day yesterday.
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Uf, with these receivers and this QB doesn't beat anyone deep. It's why he has the lowest avg gain per completion in the SEC. Until he proves he can beat you, you take away what you can and hae a chance. You take away the deep religiously and people run their two minute drill up your keester all day. One is sure loser. Other at least requires big plays.
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#87
#87
DC Vol said:
Well, with Florida more than any other team (other than Oregon) you have to respect the dump-off pass to any of their stable of track star RBs.

You might stop them 7 or 8 times out of 10... but those 2 or 3 times you don't? They'll gash you. Our LBs are good, in my opinion, but they can't cover Demps, Gillislee or Moody one-on-one.

As bad as it was I think it's indicative of the situation over the scheme at this point.
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And if you don't pressure you stop them only 2 out of 10 and those 2 are due to a bad throw and a drop. Moreover, if the LBs "can't cover Demps, Gillislee or Moody one-on-one" why waste all three of them in coverage rather than use at least one to pressure the QB every time. What I'm hearing from quite a few folks here could be achieved by bringing back Chavis.
 
#88
#88
I understand WRs get open alot more when there is no pressure, but my gosh how can there be so many 3rd and longs converted? Nothing frustates anyone more that giving up a 1st down on 3rd and long. I know it all starts up front, and there is still alot of youth back there... I really dont know why Im posting this, cuz I understand where our team is. And things are looking better. Our boys could be pretty good next yr. Despite another double digit lost, Im still excited about where the team is heading. They did tons better this week and Im proud. Great job against Demps. Great job fighting til the end. They gave everything they had. They will improve. But them long 3rd downs... worse than when Chavis was coaching :crazy:
 
#92
#92
Other_Guy said:
I understand WRs get open alot more when there is no pressure, but my gosh how can there be so many 3rd and longs converted? Nothing frustates anyone more that giving up a 1st down on 3rd and long. I know it all starts up front, and there is still alot of youth back there... I really dont know why Im posting this, cuz I understand where our team is. And things are looking better. Our boys could be pretty good next yr. Despite another double digit lost, Im still excited about where the team is heading. They did tons better this week and Im proud. Great job against Demps. Great job fighting til the end. They gave everything they had. They will improve. But them long 3rd downs... worse than when Chavis was coaching :crazy:
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Difference = this is Justin's third game with no D line depth and a very young secondary. Chavis had how long?

As you said, they're improving... Just takes time unfortunately.
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#93
#93
zidanefan said:
Difference = this is Justin's third game with no D line depth and a very young secondary. Chavis had how long?

As you said, they're improving... Just takes time unfortunately.
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How is our defense going to be better next year when we lose: Chris Walker, Gerald Williams, Nick Reviez, Lamarcus Thompson, Savion Frazier, & Victor Thomas?? Man, we need to get about 2 JC DT's and about 2 JC LB's for next year....
 
#94
#94
Yeah I think Wilcox is doing a really good job with what he has. And its mostly the zero pass rush thing... But still its pretty tough to complete alot of 3rd and longs. And this thread was also just to express my thoughts on the team... I just decided to make this the center talk.
 
#95
#95
Zeppelin18241 said:
relax. i could complain about you making an obscene number of posts a day.
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First off, I don't even know what that means, and second, I was merely pointing them in a direction where this conversation is already taking place. Thought it might be helpful. Chill man.
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#97
#97
Defense on first and second down was terrific. On 3rd and longs, the DB's seemed to misread the routes the receivers were running and adjusted to the wrong route too much. Like on one of the touchdowns, where the 2 LB's and a safety read Brantley throwing to a receiver that was running right, which left the 2nd receiver open cutting left for a TD.

Also, playcalling on 3rd down wasn't great either. They sat 10-15 yards back when it was 3rd and 6-10, and around 15-18 yards back when it was 3rd and 10 plus. In an ideal situation, you'd like to limit them to throwing short passes, and then break on the ball as soon as it's thrown to tackle the guy short.

Florida also seemed to run a lot of verticals on 3rd down as well. And with a cover 2 or 3, that's a bad situation.
 
#99
#99
We are seeing the effects of no Myles, Oliver, Walls, Martin on 3rd down. Lack of depth leaves us gassed and less talented depth.

We got killed over the middle. I love Reveiz, he is solid, plays hard. But we are missing a play maker at LB. We have nobody that can make something happen.
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#100
#100
to those that called me an idiot.
I guess you think Dooley is an idiot as well.. Watch his show.
he mentioned specifically 3rd down and playing behind the chains and changing SCHEMES on 3rd down.
He mentioned numerous times in the show there is another 3rd down..we have to get off field...
just like i said.
congrats on your knowledge
 
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