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crusse10 said:
The offense he chose to run was successful in college but had no impact in the NFL. Didn't say that he'd get fired for it. Nobody's firing Chris Petersen, either. I just like to see Vols go on to promising professional careers.

Again, this all goes back to a guy saying that he wouldn't care if nobody went to the NFL as long as UT did well.

That's selfish.

You can argue it all you want, that won't change the fact that you don't care what happens to the players as long as you can brag about your favorite college football team's win-loss record.
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Just because I believe a starting SEC college football player can be successful in life even if he does not play in the NFL does not mean I don't care what happens to the players. It does mean I'm realistic and understand that just because someone dreams of playing in the league and invests a lot of time playing and practicing in hopes of reaching that goal does not guarantee them the realization of that goal. I hope they are getting proper guidance and encouragement to prepare for that possibility by taking advantage of the opportunity for an education.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Are you kidding me? Dooley couldn't even sniff Butch Jone's recruiting ability. He wouldn't even try to compete for the top recruits in the nation. He took what he could get. Even these not so highly touted players that Butch Jones is getting, he's still beating out teams like Georgia, Florida, Ohio St., and even Bama. Hell I still remember Dooley trying to beat out teams like Norfolk St., Syracuse, Charlotte, for not so highly rated recruits. Just be thankful Jones is getting players with talent instead of taking leftovers from other schools like Dooley.
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Dooley lost me forever when he went an entire signing class without getting an O line prospect. This is the freakin SEC, winning the line of scrimmage is a MUST. Can't do that without O and D line prospects every year.
 
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crusse10 said:
according to whom?
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I thought 247 had him as a 5 star. If not he's still a high 4 star coveted by other big time programs. Either way it causes your argument that Dooley and Butch recruit similar level players to fall flat. It's a bad argument, and one I'd hate to be on the wrong side of.
 
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callmecrockett said:
This is exactly my point, the guys are playing over DOOLEYS PLAYERS. So "Butch is better than Dooley" is the argument that he is so great? We haven't seen these players be great so far so we have no concrete evidence that Butch is a great evaluator.

I understand that these guys will get bumps and that certain positions won't ever get the star power that others do. Again, I'm not saying that Butch isn't great, I'm just saying you guys are putting blind faith in something that hasn't been proven.

We will be taking a relatively small class this cycle and it feels like we are filling up with guys that aren't the caliber that we want. Plus, are we going to fill all these slots while we are still in on so much talent? I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying stop knocking guys for wanting big-name, big-talent guys that have the ranking backing them up on sites.
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1. Maybe they arent the guys YOU want.
2. If you havent noticed, Butch has been turning away some of those guys because he doesnt think they will pan out the way he wants. Plus are we going to wait forever for certain guys that might end up elsewhere and leave us screwed in the long run?
3. Nobody is knocking anybody for wanting big time guys. Everyone is knocking people who think that we cant win unless all of our guys are big names. You dont have to have all 4 and 5* guys to win. Thats what the OP has been about for a while now
 
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Big151Orange said:
Just because I believe a starting SEC college football player can be successful in life even if he does not play in the NFL does not mean I don't care what happens to the players. It does mean I'm realistic and understand that just because someone dreams of playing in the league and invests a lot of time playing and practicing in hopes of reaching that goal does not guarantee them the realization of that goal. I hope they are getting proper guidance and encouragement to prepare for that possibility by taking advantage of the opportunity for an education.
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If you work that much for a specific goal, an education is a consolation prize. Each player who goes into college highly touted and doesn't pan out failed himself, his family, his friends, his team, and the fans. He didn't succeed because he got 4 years of education.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
1. Maybe they arent the guys YOU want.
2. If you havent noticed, Butch has been turning away some of those guys because he doesnt think they will pan out the way he wants. Plus are we going to wait forever for certain guys that might end up elsewhere and leave us screwed in the long run?
3. Nobody is knocking anybody for wanting big time guys. Everyone is knocking people who think that we cant win unless all of our guys are big names. You dont have to have all 4 and 5* guys to win. Thats what the OP has been about for a while now
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You have to have the top guys to win unless you have a great x and o coach, then you can have more 3 stars. I think it's fair to say that we don't know if Butch is a great coach. He has proven he can recruit, I just think that we shouldn't have the mentality to take guys because we might not get the big name. That sounds like Dooley. Shoot for the program changers and conquer all who stand before us.'
 
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DeekT said:
Glad Butch is not a star gazer. We are at or near the top of a lot of 5* recruits but he is taking commitments from 3* guys. Why? Because he and his staff see something that we don't. He's not settling!! He's picking who he wants. Their star status will change by the end of their senior year.
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Nationdom said:
You have to have the top guys to win unless you have a great x and o coach, then you can have more 3 stars. I think it's fair to say that we don't know if Butch is a great coach. He has proven he can recruit, I just think that we shouldn't have the mentality to take guys because we might not get the big name. That sounds like Dooley. Shoot for the program changers and conquer all who stand before us.'
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You have that backwards. Dooley would wait for the big name and not get them. Leaving him screwed in the end. Im sorry, but were not going to land a 5*s and 4*s after 4 losing seasons. In a couple of years we might be able to do that.
 
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Nationdom said:
You actually get a tone of publicity and exposure and for often then not a lot of wins and national champs. See Alabama.
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Alabama's doing it on the field dude. They get squat for #1 recruiting classes if they don't get it done on the field. I would agree that there is something to the Jimmies and Joes rather than X's and O's, but if you're *****ing in June about the number of stars? Take a class, coach a tee ball team, go fishing. You are way over invested in 17 and 18 year old kids.

The recruiting services are in it for the $$$. Coaches are in for their livelihood. What any media sort or self acclaimed recruiting guru thinks matters little. It happens between the lines.
 
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crusse10 said:
If you work that much for a specific goal, an education is a consolation prize. Each player who goes into college highly touted and doesn't pan out failed himself, his family, his friends, his team, and the fans. He didn't succeed because he got 4 years of education.
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I know of at least four former SEC players that played several years of pro football (1 OL, 3 DL) that made some good money but all 3 are having to use their college education to earn a living because their pro income will only last a few years. I think they are in a majority of players that go pro that depend on their college education to support them through most of their adult lives. From what I've seen their 4 years of free education is a sign of great success that will carry them through life. None of these guys are failures. Not all pro players make $5-10 million each year.
 
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Oklahoma's recruiting classes
2014 - 15 - 14 3*s, 4 2*s
2013 - 15 - 14 3*s, 3 2*s and an unranked
2012 - 11 - 14 3*s
2011 - 14 - 8 3*s
2010 - 7 - 13 3*s


2014 Preseason rank - #7


you dont need all 4 and 5* guys to win. And they stomped Bama
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
You have that backwards. Dooley would wait for the big name and not get them. Leaving him screwed in the end. Im sorry, but were not going to land a 5*s and 4*s after 4 losing seasons. In a couple of years we might be able to do that.
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See this pisses me off. Why the hell not? We've got the best facilities, stadium, fan base, playing time, best conference and a staff that proved they could recruit last year. Why take a step back this year? I hope you are not one that thinks 5 wins is realistic. I also hope all these players get bumped up.
 
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crusse10 said:
If you work that much for a specific goal, an education is a consolation prize. Each player who goes into college highly touted and doesn't pan out failed himself, his family, his friends, his team, and the fans. He didn't succeed because he got 4 years of education.
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Guess I have a difficult time viewing a four year college education as a consolation prize under any circumstance. Put way too much work into mine to let anyone else make me think my life is a failure no matter the circumstance.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Oklahoma's recruiting classes
2014 - 15 - 14 3*s, 4 2*s
2013 - 15 - 14 3*s, 3 2*s and an unranked
2012 - 11 - 14 3*s
2011 - 14 - 8 3*s
2010 - 7 - 13 3*s


2014 Preseason rank - #7


you dont need all 4 and 5* guys to win. And they stomped Bama
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I'd be interested to see how many of the 3 star and lower players are big time
Contributors. If a lot are then that is one exception but they have a proven coach, somewhat, ( even though I think we get the sooners this year).
 
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Why the **** does this thread have 190 posts?! Yes, I realize by posting I'm contributing to the problem, but I don't care. America, **** yeah!!
 
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OldVol49vfl said:
I know of at least four former SEC players that played several years of pro football (1 OL, 3 DL) that made some good money but all 3 are having to use their college education to earn a living because their pro income will only last a few years. I think they are in a majority of players that go pro that depend on their college education to support them through most of their adult lives. From what I've seen their 4 years of free education is a sign of great success that will carry them through life. None of these guys are failures. Not all pro players make $5-10 million each year.
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To you, they aren't failures. To me, they aren't failures. To themselves, they failed literally everyone who was counting on them.
 
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Big151Orange said:
Guess I have a difficult time viewing a four year college education as a consolation prize under any circumstance. Put way too much work into mine to let anyone else make me think my life is a failure no matter the circumstance.
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You went to college for that goal. They (almost always) don't. There's a reason all these kids are now saying "I'll be playing the next 3 to 4 years at..." School is part of the work they have to do in order to go to the NFL.
 
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Nationdom said:
See this pisses me off. Why the hell not? We've got the best facilities, stadium, fan base, playing time, best conference and a staff that proved they could recruit last year. Why take a step back this year? I hope you are not one that thinks 5 wins is realistic. I also hope all these players get bumped up.
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If its anything like last year, we will have tons of bumps. The guys that rate aren't even evaluating a lot of players yet. These guys that are on the recruiting sites know about as much as you do. I trust Butch as he's gotten many guys to the pros at lower schools, especially on the Dline and at wide out. We should do our own system at vn, it'd be better than the real guys.
 
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crusse10 said:
To you, they aren't failures. To me, they aren't failures. To themselves, they failed literally everyone who was counting on them.[/QUOTE]




I'm sorry, you've totally lost me on this one. I know 2 of these men fairly well and the other 2 I'm reasonably familiar with and none of them consider themselves a failure. They are very proud of what they accomplished and their family is proud of them. They all do complain about knee and leg problems though!
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO not any more. Look at UT as an example. They have about 300 offers out to 2015 recruits. I'd guess that about 85% of them are "offers" meaning absolutely nothing. It's tough to use an offer list to establish a recruit is a top level option if a lot of his "offers" would not take him.
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I agree somewhat with that but if you look for patterns where the recruit has multiple big-time offers you can generally come to a conclusion as to the talent level of the recruit. JMO
 
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