247: Vols' projected depth chart next season

[k-town_king]

He has shown he can't so..


JG is one of the biggest QB busts that I can remember in recent years. Good kid..he just isn't cut out of college ball.

I'll say this..if UT had an elite rushing attack JG would probably ok with his below average QB abilities.

He has improved by individual numbers and the team wins improved with him at qb each year.

You are wrong like usual.

He is a bust if you expected Heisman play. He has been a solid SEC qb. Top half of passing stats the last two seasons.

 

[BeardedVol]

Surely you're smart enough to know what our overall team talent was in '17 and '18 as well as who our OCs were for those 2 seasons. Only a dummy would think that QB play was our biggest deficiencies those years.

The oline improved at pass protection throughout the 2018 season, yet the passing game did not. That's the fault of the receivers? Helton? Couldn't possibly be an issue with the QB, right?

An interesting note from Volquest last year about the UT offense with JG as QB:

Tennessee’s inability to run the ball is a major factor here, but the Vols were among the worst teams in the SEC in turning possessions inside the 20-yard-line into touchdowns...But if Tennessee’s offense is going to take a leap in 2019, the Vols need their veteran quarterback to refine some obvious weaknesses in his game, too.

We saw more of the same in 2019, not sure why anyone would expect anything different at this point if he's the starter in 2020.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

He has improved by individual numbers and the team wins improved with him at qb each year.

You are wrong like usual.

He is a bust if you expected Heisman play. He has been a solid SEC qb. Top half of passing stats the last two seasons.

What is the red zone efficiency and points scored? Those are the stats that truly determine his value. He is not a solid SEC Qb and is the most inept long term Tn starter I have watched in 35 years of being a Vol fan.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Well aren't you cute. I guess you think your ignorant posts show you know football. lmao.


If they showed more upside they would have took the job.

They didn't because they are worse with less upside.

Bailey may change that. The guys backing up last year aren't as good as JG.

JG was a million times better as a freshman and showed way more upside than BM ever did as a freshman. He was much better last year too.

I'm good. Every qb I have backed has been the best option. Even when popular opinion was different I picked the winner of the battle each time. I have proven I know what I'm talking about. Some of you just aren't smart enough to follow along and catch up with my thoughts way later.

If JG was a million times better than what happened to him ? He has shown a reluctance to throw the ball on time and has problems with accuracy. He will complete a pass 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage when we need 10 to 15 yards for a FD. He has limited passing talent and is not a confident player. A losing combination by anyone’s standard.

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

So is Velus Jones just chopped liver

 

[k-town_king]

The oline improved at pass protection throughout the 2018 season, yet the passing game did not. That's the fault of the receivers? Helton? Couldn't possibly be an issue with the QB, right?

An interesting note from Volquest last year about the UT offense with JG as QB:

Tennessee’s inability to run the ball is a major factor here, but the Vols were among the worst teams in the SEC in turning possessions inside the 20-yard-line into touchdowns...But if Tennessee’s offense is going to take a leap in 2019, the Vols need their veteran quarterback to refine some obvious weaknesses in his game, too.

We saw more of the same in 2019, not sure why anyone would expect anything different at this point if he's the starter in 2020.

He did improve. we still couldn't run the ball. Not his fault. Was far from perfect. He did improve though. Run blocking not so much.

What is the red zone efficiency and points scored? Those are the stats that truly determine his value. He is not a solid SEC Qb and is the most inept long term Tn starter I have watched in 35 years of being a Vol fan.

How was our redzone play calling, run blocking, how many penalties did we have in the redzone? A ton of factors at work.

He isn't even the worst of the last decade. lmao

I guess you didn't see Crompton, Worley, Rick Clausen, Matt Simms.

 

[k-town_king]

If JG was a million times better than what happened to him ? He has shown a reluctance to throw the ball on time and has problems with accuracy. He will complete a pass 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage when we need 10 to 15 yards for a FD. He has limited passing talent and is not a confident player. A losing combination by anyone’s standard.

That is a dumb and just wrong take. he had a very high ypa. it has went up each year. The dink and dunk narrative has been debunked. Come up with a new tune.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

That is a dumb and just wrong take. he had a very high ypa. it has went up each year. The dink and dunk narrative has been debunked. Come up with a new tune.

I watched it all year long and the dunk and dunk narrative is a fact especially in 3rd down situations. The old tune is always better. Again why are you so adamant in defending an inept Qb. What is your personal connection to JG? There has to be one. Spill the beans.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

He did improve. we still couldn't run the ball. Not his fault. Was far from perfect. He did improve though. Run blocking not so much.



How was our redzone play calling, run blocking, how many penalties did we have in the redzone? A ton of factors at work.

He isn't even the worst of the last decade. lmao

I guess you didn't see Crompton, Worley, Rick Clausen, Matt Simms.

JG is not as good as the Qb’s mentioned above IMO.

 

[whodeycin85]

That is a dumb and just wrong take. he had a very high ypa. it has went up each year. The dink and dunk narrative has been debunked. Come up with a new tune.

45% of JGs yards came after the catch

 

[k-town_king]

45% of JGs yards came after the catch

So now we are just making up stats? lmao

So what were Burrow and Tua? They must have been 80% after the catch. Their wrs got much more yac.

 

[sjt18]

JG did not win the MSU game.

You explicitly said JG did.... and that Maurer did not.

The team did. He was a big factor.

But in the many losses when he was QB... he wasn't a big factor. You are so dishonest.

He was the qb with the most positive impact on the game. He made some big plays when needed.

No he wasn't. He turned what could and should have been a comfortable win into a close game. He was set up on his first drive but couldn't move the O at all. He had an opportunity to break the game open by laying the ball out in front of Keyton but instead threw up a 50/50 ball. The TD pass was a well designed and executed play with a pass that you or I could have thrown.

He was a liability. If UT's D had not had probably their best game of the season, UT loses that game badly.

Playcalling, run blocking, defense. Those cost us games. The qb did not cost us to lose any games this year.

PURE delusion. Now... Pruitt said that lack of production from the QB position was why UT was not 3-1 going into the UGA game. Are you saying he didn't know what he was talking about?

 

[sjt18]

So now we are just making up stats? lmao

So what were Burrow and Tua? They must have been 80% after the catch. Their wrs got much more yac.

Of course. Any stat that doesn't support your fabricated narrative must be "made up".

 

[sjt18]

I watched it all year long and the dunk and dunk narrative is a fact especially in 3rd down situations. The old tune is always better. Again why are you so adamant in defending an inept Qb. What is your personal connection to JG? There has to be one. Spill the beans.

Cult worship.

 

[k-town_king]

JG is not as good as the Qb’s mentioned above IMO.

I can't tell if you are ignorant or really just hate JG.

JG 391/642 60.9% 5062 yards 32tds 13ints 139.5 rating 7.9 ypa
Cromp 348/629 55.3% 4187 yards 36tds 22ints 6.7 ypa
Worley 329/558 59% 3556 23tds 21 int 118.6 rating 123.1 rating 6.4 ypa
Rick Clausen 201/345 58.3% 2390 yards 14tds 11ints 123.5 rating 6.9ypa

He only has a better ypa, percentage, rating, td/int ratio and every other stat. With a whole year to go.

JG has a year to go and is already better than those three. Blows them out the water. Just stop.

 

[FLVOL_79]

He has improved by individual numbers and the team wins improved with him at qb each year.

You are wrong like usual.

He is a bust if you expected Heisman play. He has been a solid SEC qb. Top half of passing stats the last two seasons.

He is 100% bust being the #1 dual threat QB in the country when he signed.

The team improved which make his numbers look slighty, slightly better. He himself did not improve. He got benched.

 

[k-town_king]

You explicitly said JG did.... and that Maurer did not. But in the many losses when he was QB... he wasn't a big factor. You are so dishonest.

No he wasn't. He turned what could and should have been a comfortable win into a close game. He was set up on his first drive but couldn't move the O at all. He had an opportunity to break the game open by laying the ball out in front of Keyton but instead threw up a 50/50 ball. The TD pass was a well designed and executed play with a pass that you or I could have thrown.

He was a liability. If UT's D had not had probably their best game of the season, UT loses that game badly.

PURE delusion. Now... Pruitt said that lack of production from the QB position was why UT was not 3-1 going into the UGA game. Are you saying he didn't know what he was talking about?

JG was the qb for the wins, not Maurer. He did not win by himslef but was a factor. He was also a factor in the losses but not the reason for the loss.

Yea MSU was horrible. He was only 85.7% for 15 ypa and a 260 rating. lol

Of course. Any stat that doesn't support your fabricated narrative must be "made up".

Show me a stat showing that 45% of his yards were after the catch. Then compare that to the top qbs this year. I bet Tua, Burrow, and Lawrence all got more yac overall and per play.

 

[k-town_king]

He is 100% bust being the #1 dual threat QB in the country when he signed.

The team improved which make his numbers look slighty, slightly better. He himself did not improve. He got benched.

i don't think the season ended at the UGA game when he got benched. I do recall a streak at the end and guess who was playing? Ding, ding , ding. It was JG.

 

[FLVOL_79]

So is Velus Jones just chopped liver

He is a 3 star with about 350 yards receiving and 1 td in his college career...I hope he has a good jump for those terrible JG deep throws.

 

[FLVOL_79]

i don't think the season ended at the UGA game when he got benched. I do recall a streak at the end and guess who was playing? Ding, ding , ding. It was JG.

LOL. So did the other QB's.

HE GOT BENCHED for "worse" QB's.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Answer the question regarding his 3rd down and red zone stats. Many on here are providing information about how JG’s stats do not tell the whole story but you fail to respond to those questions. What about the 148 yards and 1.2 Td’s per game. That is pathetic. Please explain specifically the Vandy and Bowl game performances and try to convince us that is solid Qb play ? Please again explain why are you defending his inept play. Do you have some connection with JG. Are you a relative or friend of JG or connected to his inner circle in any way?

 

[sjt18]

He did improve. we still couldn't run the ball. Not his fault. Was far from perfect. He did improve though. Run blocking not so much.

OL play overall improved MUCH more than JG. Over the season, run blocking improved at least as much as JG's play. UT's RB's are average.... maybe below average.

How was our redzone play calling, run blocking, how many penalties did we have in the redzone? A ton of factors at work.

As good as JG's red zone effectiveness or better. He processes too slow. That is CRIPPLING inside the red zone where all decision making speeds up.

Funny how the coaches are infallible when they indicate JG is the "best option" but suddenly don't know what they're doing when it comes to actual coaching.

He isn't even the worst of the last decade. lmao

I have been a Vol fan for 30+ years. He's the worst UT QB I've seen among those who have started at least 5 games. He has some admirable qualities. He does some things well. He works hard. Lots of good things... but he just doesn't do the things that move the O to score TD's.

I guess you didn't see Crompton, Worley, Rick Clausen, Matt Simms.

I'd take Crompton over JG every day of the week. Behind a decent OL, Worley would be a comparable passer. Clausen was a back up.

Edit to the above: Matt Simms was worse than JG. But if you really need to go that low with your bar.... then you don't have much of an argument. Most notably, Bray beat Simms out by mid-season because Simms held the ball too long and took too many sacks. Sound familiar?

 

[sjt18]

Yea MSU was horrible. He was only 85.7% for 15 ypa and a 260 rating. lol

They didn't ask him to do much. His pass to Keyton was NOT a well thrown ball. You can "stat" yourself numb but a well thrown ball goes for 6. Any QB on the 105 man roster could have thrown that TD pass to Byrd... most of the non-QB's could have thrown it. It was essentially a long hand off with some excellent blocks on the edge. Otherwise... the defense overcame his ineffectiveness.

Show me a stat showing that 45% of his yards were after the catch. Then compare that to the top qbs this year. I bet Tua, Burrow, and Lawrence all got more yac overall and per play.

According to SECstatcat, about 39% of JG's yds were after the catch. Tua and Jones were essentially reverse that. JG actually had the highest "air% in the SEC... likely because he failed on too many occasions to throw the ball where the receiver could make a play after the catch. That number would have been many times worse if JJ had not skewed it.

 

[k-town_king]

OL play overall improved MUCH more than JG. Over the season, run blocking improved at least as much as JG's play. UT's RB's are average.... maybe below average.

As good as JG's red zone effectiveness or better. He processes too slow. That is CRIPPLING inside the red zone where all decision making speeds up.

Funny how the coaches are infallible when they indicate JG is the "best option" but suddenly don't know what they're doing when it comes to actual coaching.

I have been a Vol fan for 30+ years. He's the worst UT QB I've seen among those who have started at least 5 games. He has some admirable qualities. He does some things well. He works hard. Lots of good things... but he just doesn't do the things that move the O to score TD's.


I'd take Crompton over JG every day of the week. Behind a decent OL, Worley would be a comparable passer. Clausen was a back up.

Edit to the above: Matt Simms was worse than JG. But if you really need to go that low with your bar.... then you don't have much of an argument. Most notably, Bray beat Simms out by mid-season because Simms held the ball too long and took too many sacks. Sound familiar?

I put the numbers. JG is leaps and bounds better than those guys. Dormady also started 5 games I think. He is much better than him as well.

Sometimes JG holds the ball too long. We all agree on that. It is his biggest weakness. The changing of offense every year did have a part to play in that as well.

I said they knew what they are doing when they benched him too. We have had some bad red zone playcalling. There are times when we should have ran it more inside the redzone. We also had a ton of penalties down there that put us in bad down and distance.

 

[rdk4121]

The exciting part with the QB competition is that the best player will play. Seniority doesn't mean that much to Pruitt. If bailey or Maurer are better, then they will play.