2028, who ya got?

[BernardKingGOAT]

He is a terrible politician.

Exactly, plus......

 

[Majors]

No way Haley is in the mix. She wasted her shot this time.

Don’t disagree, but she also has value in the party among women. She may very well be the Hillary of the Republicans as her window is closing. Not sure her and Vance would mesh but in four years the landscape will change but the suburban woman vote will still be key.

 

[gcbvol]

It will be Pete or Shapiro for the Dems.

 

[Majors]

I think Pete B will be somewhere in the mix.
I will admit he's smart and a capable debater, would go toe to toe with vance in debate.

How mayor record will haunt his ability to carry a larger role. No need to mention his shoot/logistics and aviation debacle the last few years.

 

[Ritzwatch]

MAGA MARK ROBINSON!

 

[Sea Ray]

The wheels I assure you are already spinning. Guys like Rubio in the GOP, Whitmer for the Dems, they are all already organizing teams, discussing polling results and how to adapt to them, and thinking about fundraising. Rubio has to be the odds on favorite for the GOP. Who else you got?

And for the Dems, Whitmer seems like a promising front runner since she can motivate women to vote and is from the midwest. Hard to see a nominee that reflects the social values get it, given last night. So does not auger well for Newsome. Who you got?

And remember, Trump is a lame duck even before taking office. He will need to get done whatever he wants to get done in the first 3-4 months because after that people will be jockeying for position within his own party to own whatever is going well, and distance themselves from any trouble spots.

DeSantis. I think he will have learned from his mistakes this time around, plus he'll have a record of a state well run. Why is it he can count his votes by the 11 o'clock news and Michigan is still counting? That's the difference in a state well run and one screwed up

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

It will be Pete or Shapiro for the Dems.

Shapiro is a super long shot. His choice would mean having to cancel the far left anti Israel stance of most of the D party. I doubt they are willing to do that, they weren’t even willing to give him second chair and set him up for the future this time around.

 

[Grand Vol]

Don’t disagree, but she also has value in the party among women. She may very well be the Hillary of the Republicans as her window is closing. Not sure her and Vance would mesh but in four years the landscape will change but the suburban woman vote will still be key.

That's why I think it will be Tulsi. She's a pretty strong example for the "suburban" woman since a lot tend to look at her as a badass.

 

[lawgator1]

Bigger question for @lawgator1 , who do the democrats have?
Newsome? Warren? Schiff? Mayor Pete?

Ha, you'd love that wouldn't you? Nah.

The party will go back to the center, as has every other party in the past that got over its skis. So I think Whitmer, Shapiro, Kelly. Given his role in combat operations, depending on how far south things go in Europe and Ukraine, I can see him presenting an interesting contrast.

And on that subject I'll again state that I am hoping that a more responsible inner circle this go 'round, plus the GOP Congress, will keep Trump from giving away the store over there.

 

[lawgator1]

DeSantis. I think he will have learned from his mistakes this time around, plus he'll have a record of a state well run. Why is it he can count his votes by the 11 o'clock news and Michigan is still counting? That's the difference in a state well run and one screwed up

DeSantis might give Vance a run for his money on heir apparent to the MAGA crown.

 

[Grand Vol]

It will be Pete or Shapiro for the Dems.

I don't think it will be Pete. He wasn't "promoted" enough by Biden and has a long list of problems that happened under his watch.

Maybe as a VP, but I don't think he gets the backing for the lead role.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Both Andy Beshear and Josh Shapiro have been universally seen as moderates.

Kamala was seen as the most radically progressive Senator when she was a California Senator. She was also seen as a radically progressive Attorney General as well. Tim Walz has been universally seen as a radically progressive Governor hence him passing laws to have tampons in boys bathrooms and having some of the latest term abortion laws of any state.

It was a very radical ticket and general America isn't going to go for that. If the Dems are going to be successful they are going to have to go with a middle of the road candidate who has a record of governing/proposing/deciding that way vs. the Kamala/Walz way of having to shift their talk to the middle but no record of actually governing/deciding in the middle of the road.

Shapiro or Beshear are my only hopes of the dems attempting to come back towards the center.

Vance or Vivek wouldn't be bad for the reps depending on what the next 4 years look like.

The fact is that it’s very difficult to build a coalition in the U.S. in 2024. If recent history is an indication, both parties will struggle to do so unless they are out of power going into an election, because the news cycle — rightly or wrongly — has been so routinely negative for the last 8 years that swing voters are tending to vote against whatever they see as the status quo.

Who energized the Democratic base in 2020? Joe Biden? Give me a break. It was Trump. Who energized the Republican base in 2024? Trump? Maybe for a significant portion but far more were mobilized by eggs and gasoline.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for either party to move toward the center, because both have decided that it’s easier to motivate people by playing to their hatreds and fears than to try and build consensus. Sadly, they’re probably right. You might say, “Well surely the Democrats will learn the lessons of this election.” Maybe, but more than likely they won’t have to, because by 2028, the American public will have gotten four more years of Donald J. in their face constantly and the pendulum will swing back. They’ll nominate some establishment candidate who runs on the platform of “at least I’m not that guy” with little articulation of what they stand for. Rinse and repeat.

Grievance on the right and identity politics on the left. Growing division and resentment among different segments of the American public. It will take a major paradigm shift in public life and thought to change it.

 

[Vol423]

The wheels I assure you are already spinning. Guys like Rubio in the GOP, Whitmer for the Dems, they are all already organizing teams, discussing polling results and how to adapt to them, and thinking about fundraising. Rubio has to be the odds on favorite for the GOP. Who else you got?

And for the Dems, Whitmer seems like a promising front runner since she can motivate women to vote and is from the midwest. Hard to see a nominee that reflects the social values get it, given last night. So does not auger well for Newsome. Who you got?

And remember, Trump is a lame duck even before taking office. He will need to get done whatever he wants to get done in the first 3-4 months because after that people will be jockeying for position within his own party to own whatever is going well, and distance themselves from any trouble spots.

I like Rubio. I like Vance. I also like Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Trump should have a ton of outreach to hispanics and blacks. Propose tons of programs that provide them legit relief and opportunity.
Then, step aside and put Vance in charge of the actual community contact (think: Border Czar Harris, but actually doing something.)
If Dems don't support those programs, the R coalition grows and grows. If they do support it, the R coalition grows and grows.
Vance, meanwhile, becomes the frontrunner for 2028, with Trump cementing his legacy as the greatest change agent in Republican politics since Theodore Roosevelt.

The Dems, meanwhile, will find an Hispanic candidate to mesh with Shapiro to try to win in the southwest and PA.

My dark horse for the Dems? Freakin' Josh Stein from North Carolina.

He is slippery, he is wicked, he is corrupt. But, he gives the same 19 votes that PA gives.

Plus NC lost their veto proof Republican majority in the state house, so Stein is going to make headline after headline shutting down whatever legislation they try to pass, and masterfully (and inaccurately) slandering the R's. He will become a champion and darling of the media for standing up to the extremists in the legislature. He will also leverage outgoing Gov. Roy Cooper's money-making machine in DC, NY and So. Fla.

You heard it here first.

 

[CobbVol]

Dems should either go with Walz as he can correct any mistakes since he was close to the action or Beto. The magazine cover speaks for itself.

 

[volinbham]

Ha, you'd love that wouldn't you? Nah.

The party will go back to the center, as has every other party in the past that got over its skis. So I think Whitmer, Shapiro, Kelly. Given his role in combat operations, depending on how far south things go in Europe and Ukraine, I can see him presenting an interesting contrast.

And on that subject I'll again state that I am hoping that a more responsible inner circle this go 'round, plus the GOP Congress, will keep Trump from giving away the store over there.

Not sure I'd count on that.

 

[ETV]

If Vance is the nominee, the left needs to find a quality candidate to campaign against him. Throwing out a candidate so they can check the race and gender box, will not get it done.

Whitmer - No
Newsome -No
AOC - No
Shapiro - meh. Maybe.

 

[hog88]

It will be Pete or Shapiro for the Dems.

Pete wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[hog88]

Ha, you'd love that wouldn't you? Nah.

The party will go back to the center, as has every other party in the past that got over its skis. So I think Whitmer, Shapiro, Kelly. Given his role in combat operations, depending on how far south things go in Europe and Ukraine, I can see him presenting an interesting contrast.

And on that subject I'll again state that I am hoping that a more responsible inner circle this go 'round, plus the GOP Congress, will keep Trump from giving away the store over there.

Whitmer is far from center. She's as left and dislikable as Harris.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Ha, you'd love that wouldn't you? Nah.

The party will go back to the center, as has every other party in the past that got over its skis. So I think Whitmer, Shapiro, Kelly. Given his role in combat operations, depending on how far south things go in Europe and Ukraine, I can see him presenting an interesting contrast.

And on that subject I'll again state that I am hoping that a more responsible inner circle this go 'round, plus the GOP Congress, will keep Trump from giving away the store over there.

I think the D party does indeed NEED to go back to the center; I just don’t know who has the clout to make that happen. The party is scared to death of its fringe. No one dares to tell the Hamas wing, the LGBTQ/Trans lobby, the squad, or Antifa “no”.
Probably the biggest single reason for Kamala’s loss was her inability to pick Shapiro as her VP candidate due to the rabbis antisemites in Michigan. She tried to please both the Jewish and anti Jewish wings of her party but ended up loosing both. I do Not see that wide chasm in the Party going away anytime soon.

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

Ha, you'd love that wouldn't you? Nah.

The party will go back to the center, as has every other party in the past that got over its skis. So I think Whitmer, Shapiro, Kelly. Given his role in combat operations, depending on how far south things go in Europe and Ukraine, I can see him presenting an interesting contrast.

And on that subject I'll again state that I am hoping that a more responsible inner circle this go 'round, plus the GOP Congress, will keep Trump from giving away the store over there.

Whitmer would take a worse asskicking than Harris. The D’s would be ignorant to run her, which means she has a good chance since they are idiots.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Pete wouldn't stand a chance.

And do you really see the antisemetic base of the party actually allowing Shapiro the nod? You know „genocide“ and all that?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Whitmer is far from center. She's as left and dislikable as Harris.

She will never be able to win the Catholic vote for sure after her STUPID communion mocking stunt

 

[hog88]

And do you really see the antisemetic base of the party actually allowing Shapiro the nod? You know „genocide“ and all that?

Probably not.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Dems should either go with Walz as he can correct any mistakes since he was close to the action or Beto. The magazine cover speaks for itself.

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And Walz still gives the democrats the ability to vote for the first woman president