Col_Cathcart
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As much as I like JP, if the money were the same, I would go with Tiller. But I view Tiller as a JP replacement at the 4, I believe we would still need an Okpara replacement at the 5. If we want to compete with the big boys of Michigan, UCONN, Illinois, and Arizona we need to be bigger at the 4 and 5 than Dowd/Tiller.They did up his offer, they weren’t gonna go to $3m for Estrella, nor should they have IMO…I think for $2.5-$3m you can absolutely get Tiller
I’m not JP’s agent, friend nor family member and I can’t disagree with you enough concerning JPThanks for the info. How long have you been JP’s agent. JP is not a “really good” player. He is a slightly above average player who is injury prone. His defense is below average. I hate to see him go but he can be replaced.
Yes. I definitely want him. Good defender with better offense than Boswell. Aggressive and will probably improve his 3 point shot. Not sure what some of our fans watch.I respectfully disagree on Evans. Don’t forget, he was only a freshman, and there were a few games we probably don’t win without him stepping up.
But many posters were up in arms over $1+ MMEstrella wasn’t gonna be $1.5m here next year, more like $2.5 minimum…in reality that’s $2.5m for a 4 man in a 5 man’s body in a system that doesn’t really fit that style and a guy who hasn’t been able to stay healthy going back around 4 years after his growth spurt. They’d have loved to have him here, but everyone has a number attached to them for what the staff thinks they can get someone else for essentially.
Good points. I also believe people would be talking about him even more had we not gotten Ament, who definitely took a good chunk of his minutes.Yes. I definitely want him. Good defender with better offense than Boswell. Aggressive and will probably improve his 3 point shot. Not sure what some of our fans watch.
I hope our brain trust re-evaluates this market and figures out that they have underestimated the new NIL market values of our returning players which will also mean the prices they were hoping to pay for replacements will be too low. Gonna have to come up with more funds or forget those final four dreams.I would think The Deacon has had discussions with each and has determined, for the money, he can do better in the portal or they would not be leaving. I would bet it will only be a couple days after the portal open that the plans will be fully evident.
Update: Evans is considered staying as of 5:45pm est MondayI was just told Evans has moved from “unlikely” to “possible”
Take that however you want to take that
I wish it was more certain but better than before when I made a statement based on a legitimate conversation I had and half VolNation got their panties in a wad.![]()
That was my point...right or wrong. I knew coming into this that it would be hard for us to retain JP - we have to trust the staff's assessmentYou don't pay guys entering their 4th year with your program on a "what if" though. HS talent you don't have 60 games of footage to evaluate from. They have a # they think JP is worth and that's likely not going to change.
Update: Evans is considered staying as of 5:45pm est Monday
Guys I’m no insider nor do I want to pretend to be. Like I’ve said before I’m just a fan with a childhood friend who is in the know with basketball. I’m hearing it secondhand and as are all things portal: changes are inevitable and unpredictable.
This is where I’m at. I don’t see tiller being an anchor at the 5, but I think he’s the perfect player for us at the 4.As much as I like JP, if the money were the same, I would go with Tiller. But I view Tiller as a JP replacement at the 4, I believe we would still need an Okpara replacement at the 5. If we want to compete with the big boys of Michigan, UCONN, Illinois, and Arizona we need to be bigger at the 4 and 5 than Dowd/Tiller.
I mean I won’t speak for agents. There’s obviously a ton of those that are taking advantage of the situation right now.Greedy players and boosters that have more$$$$$ than sense. Sports as we once loves is over.
Tiller is 6’11” 240, Okpara 6’11” 243…their rebounding and block stats are almost identical, yes he has some perimeter skills but he’s not a 4 and sticking him there would be a disservice to him. He had the switch ability on the defensive end that Barnes loved with Okpara, not saying he couldn’t play some 4, but I see him as a 5.This is where I’m at. I don’t see tiller being an anchor at the 5, but I think he’s the perfect player for us at the 4.
Tiller is gonna be really good with another year. Better than Okpara imo.Tiller is 6’11” 240, Okpara 6’11” 243…their rebounding and block stats are almost identical, yes he has some perimeter skills but he’s not a 4 and sticking him there would be a disservice to him. He had the switch ability on the defensive end that Barnes loved with Okpara, not saying he couldn’t play some 4, but I see him as a 5.
My response would be that you are missing the details of how and why these decisions are being made. They are willing to pay $3M for an All-SEC quality center that has the skill-set that fits our system. We are not willing to pay the current center on our team because some combination of not believing he meets those criteria and/or will be healthy enough to merit that price tag. Your assumption that not paying JP the same amount that Indiana is willing to pay him equates to UT not being willing to pay another center $3M is inaccurate. Same with Boswell. We are willing to pay him the value of a 15-20min per game 6th or 7th man (honestly probably pay more than what that true value is because of his culture value) but he has found a team willing to pay him the value of a 30min per game starter. I guarantee you UT will pay an incoming guard more than what Boswell is getting from wherever he ends up.If Tennessee isn't willing to pay market value to retain its core, then I am mildly skeptical they will get into a bidding war to overpay for elite transfers.
Even if he is 6'11 (247Sports lists him at 6'10), is that big enough and strong enough to compete with teams like UCONN, Illinois, Arizona, and Michigan? Those final four teams are loaded with the best of the best monster sized bigs. The difference between Fellix Okpara going up against Aday Mara, and Mo Krivas going up against Aday Mara was huge.Tiller is 6’11” 240, Okpara 6’11” 243…their rebounding and block stats are almost identical, yes he has some perimeter skills but he’s not a 4 and sticking him there would be a disservice to him. He had the switch ability on the defensive end that Barnes loved with Okpara, not saying he couldn’t play some 4, but I see him as a 5.
