2025 NBA Draft and Offseason

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n_huffhines said:
I think he meant he can't pick him out of a lineup, not that he's "never heard" of John Stockton.

"I pass that b**** like Stockton" is the white rapper, I forget his name right now. The guy who did Tyler Herro.
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Jack Harlow did the Tyler Herro song, it's what actually got him famous. It definitely says John Stockton in the song lol
 
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zjcvols said:
Jack Harlow did the Tyler Herro song, it's what actually got him famous. It definitely says John Stockton in the song lol
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In one of the remixes, Lil Wayne does a verse, where he says, "I pass that b!tch like Magic". But, that's not from the "Tyler Herro" song, it's from "What's Poppin"
 
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#506
What's Taylor Jenkins going to do in a thinner bench, expansion model? Can't be running these dudes 35-38 mpg.
 
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#507
95 Vol Alum said:
You really think the benches are that strong? I don't.
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Well, my point wasn't exactly that, but yeah, historically speaking, I do think they are. I just feel like there are too many young guys that don't get enough reps. Nuggets fired their coach and GM because they couldn't resolve the conflict over playing the young guys to develop for the future, and this stuff is happening all over the league.

Back to your question, if you look at how much expansion we had between the 80s and 90s...just doing the math on the huge international talent pool vs. the fact that we've only added 2? teams in 30 years, you would expect the league to be especially deep, and I think that bears out.

For example, these were the top bench players on finals losers in the 90's:

28 YO Brian Shaw (7, 7, and 3)
28 YO Donald Royal (2, 1, and 0.5)

34 YO Sam Perkins (12, 4, and 2 in the playoffs)
31 YO Nate McMillan (4, 4, and 3)
29 YO Vince Askew (4, 2, and 1)

23 YO Shandon Anderson (5, 3, and 1)
28 YO Greg Foster (4, 3, and 1)
35 YO Antoine Carr (5, 2, and 1)
24 YO Howard Eisley (6, 1, and 2)

I feel like we could probably name 20 benches today that are better than those benches.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, my point wasn't exactly that, but yeah, historically speaking, I do think they are. I just feel like there are too many young guys that don't get enough reps. Nuggets fired their coach and GM because they couldn't resolve the conflict over playing the young guys to develop for the future, and this stuff is happening all over the league.

Back to your question, if you look at how much expansion we had between the 80s and 90s...just doing the math on the huge international talent pool vs. the fact that we've only added 2? teams in 30 years, you would expect the league to be especially deep, and I think that bears out.

For example, these were the top bench players on finals losers in the 90's:

28 YO Brian Shaw (7, 7, and 3)
28 YO Donald Royal (2, 1, and 0.5)

34 YO Sam Perkins (12, 4, and 2 in the playoffs)
31 YO Nate McMillan (4, 4, and 3)
29 YO Vince Askew (4, 2, and 1)

23 YO Shandon Anderson (5, 3, and 1)
28 YO Greg Foster (4, 3, and 1)
35 YO Antoine Carr (5, 2, and 1)
24 YO Howard Eisley (6, 1, and 2)

I feel like we could probably name 20 benches today that are better than those benches.
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It’s 7 in 37 yrs and 3 in 30 yrs. Toronto, Memphis, and Charlotte. Outside the Heat, not much sustainable success in those franchises. NO (Charlotte) and Memphis (Vancouver) moved already once. Charlotte, NO, Memphis, Orlando, and Minnesota are frequently in the bottom 5-10 attendance metrics. Memphis and New Orleans (and OKC) get chronically pitched as relo options.

Fair point on the bench era comparison, we would just be going back to that bench issue with expansion. The role of the bench isn’t comparable to those eras, though, in my mind. When did load management really take root?

If they expand to Mexico City, what star stays there or goes there in FA? Stephen A thinks Memphis is bad….and players don’t want to get drafted by Toronto it seems.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
It’s 7 in 37 yrs and 3 in 30 yrs. Toronto, Memphis, and Charlotte. Outside the Heat, not much sustainable success in those franchises. NO (Charlotte) and Memphis (Vancouver) moved already once. Charlotte, NO, Memphis, Orlando, and Minnesota are frequently in the bottom 5-10 attendance metrics. Memphis and New Orleans (and OKC) get chronically pitched as relo options.

Fair point on the bench era comparison, we would just be going back to that bench issue with expansion. The role of the bench isn’t comparable to those eras, though, in my mind. When did load management really take root?

If they expand to Mexico City, what star stays there or goes there in FA? Stephen A thinks Memphis is bad….and players don’t want to get drafted by Toronto it seems.
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I don't think 2 more teams is enough to ruin benches. You'd be taking 1 player off each team to create two more squads. It will take the average quality of play down a little bit, but I'm OK with that.

You're looking for sustainable success from expansion teams? That's not my goal for them. I don't want them winning titles. I want my team winning titles. I just think there is enough talent in the world to merit expansion.

It feels like we're in a really weird place right now. I don't really understand an NBA where you have Collin Sexton on a solid contract and you gotta pay to get him off your books. Put him on a team in Seattle. They'd be thrilled to have him.
 
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#512
The NBA is a global league now and there is talent from every corner of the planet like theres never been before. Just look at the final tallies for mvp voting the last five years.

China wasn't a flash in the pan with Yao, eastern europe has always been here but now western euros are here to stay. Africa has basketball infrastructure like its never had before.

The watering down talent excuse is dead as dead can be
 
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I am now fantasizing about Collin Sexton getting picked in an expansion draft and becoming a cult hero in Seattle. Eddie Vedder would wear his jersey on stage. I still wouldn't like his vocals.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I am now fantasizing about Collin Sexton getting picked in an expansion draft and becoming a cult hero in Seattle. Eddie Vedder would wear his jersey on stage. I still wouldn't like his vocals.
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I'm thinking NBA owners want to keep using Seattle the same way NFL owners used LA
 
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Simmons keeps saying Dolan is the driving factor behind owners being resistant to expansion

what doesn't make sense to me is how? nobody likes him, he's constantly the lone dissenting vote on plenty of matters and the math clearly shows expansion is the biggest bang for their buck unless they all plan to stay alive and owning teams for ages
 
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and dont give me the Blazers being up for sale ********, the precedent was set with Boston and then LA. Portland getting a buyer isn't going to hit as big
 
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#517
Only other thing I can think of for all this chatter is owners are putting this in the media to make presumptive buyers pay a bigger chunk if they do opt for expansion, make them feel like this is their only shot
 
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apevol said:
Only other thing I can think of for all this chatter is owners are putting this in the media to make presumptive buyers pay a bigger chunk if they do opt for expansion, make them feel like this is their only shot
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The valuations are so big now there won't be many single-owner buyers going forward. It's all going to be investment groups.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The valuations are so big now there won't be many single-owner buyers going forward. It's all going to be investment groups.
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really, its been like that for twenty years

OKC was bought by a collective of billionaires who had been trying to get a team for years.

Clay is the man everyone recognizes, and he's the biggest player and the one who cut his teeth working for the Spurs and helping them become what they are. Part of the reason why OKC has been such a successful team.

Howard Shultz was 1 of like 50 owners of the supersonics. Not sure how other teams are structured, but id imagine many are in similar situations
 
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#520
I've got a sick feeling that the league is gonna try to push Seattle into stealing the blazers

thatd be like killing your annoying cousin because you need a heart transplant

there's a rivalry there, blazers fans have been well wishing sonics fans on getting their team back because they want to renew the rivalry, and because the pnw deserves more teams
 
#522
#522
League should be trying figure out how to make the current players GAS about the regular season. And how to end playoff teams vs regular season teams problem.
 
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#523
95 Vol Alum said:
League should be trying figure out how to make the current players GAS about the regular season. And how to end playoff teams vs regular season teams problem.
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I just think it's too hard for these guys to give full effort for 82 games, and the league isn't interested in fewer games.

I would love it if we went to 32 teams, 64-game schedule, and 40-minute games. Playoffs would just be top 16 teams in the table. All that would make the individual games/moments matter more. I also think it would be cool to do Elam ending for regular season.
 
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#524
n_huffhines said:
I just think it's too hard for these guys to give full effort for 82 games, and the league isn't interested in fewer games.

I would love it if we went to 32 teams, 64-game schedule, and 40-minute games. Playoffs would just be top 16 teams in the table. All that would make the individual games/moments matter more. I also think it would be cool to do Elam ending for regular season.
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**** 40 minute games, the NBA should not be trying to emulate college ball in any way
 
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