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madtownvol said:
That story fits with the events but it is just strange to think donors would financially strangle the program because they did not trust Kellie (who had multiple S16s on her resume) and are now willing to write big checks for a coach with one year of D1 experience at Marshall. Nothing against CKC, it is just an odd scenario.
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madtownvol said:
Could you please help me connect your comment to my post. What is your point? I am struggling hard to find where I stated "that rich people give $ to people they don't trust".
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VolFuture said:
NOOOOOO
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Why not?
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Sam has been several other places, don't think for a minute that she and Coach Harper are connected at the hip. Coaches move all the time. If she and Coach Caldwell meet and get along no reason it could not work and work well. They are both adults and professionals.
 
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NOLACHUCKEYTOM said:
Why not?

Sam has been several other places, don't think for a minute that she and Coach Harper are connected at the hip. Coaches move all the time. If she and Coach Caldwell meet and get along no reason it could not work and work well. They are both adults and professionals.
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Yeah possibly… but this is coaching. She may not want her opinions of our roster.. but again she could want her. Idk. Just see reasons I wouldn’t as a coach
 
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I am not sure what you are on the war path about. The bolded statement is not implying that rich donors were giving $ to someone they did not trust; it is just the opposite:

To reiterate:

Several on this board, who claim to have direct knowledge about these matters, have said the big donors did not trust Kellie and were not willing to expand their NIL support until she was gone.

If that is the case, does it not seem a little surprising that these big donors would have such faith in a relatively inexperienced coach? (and that presumes that White would not hire someone the donors are not going to support).

Rather than reposting, and it seems misunderstanding, my statements, could you explain what you are seemingly bothered by?
 
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Somewhere in the first conversation between CKC and Coach Sam, these points were surely expressed:

"Here are the kinds of players I need to win a National Championship in my system.
[lays out the skill sets and physical capabilities for different positions or roles--as well as her culture fit values]
Who on the current roster meets any of these qualifications?"

"Second question: among the HS seniors we have recruiting relationships with, who best meets any of these qualifications?"

"Third question: Among players who might enter the portal, put together a list for me of the top 20 in the nation at each of these positions or qualifications."

I would expect the LV target board has at least 40 names on it already, probably more.
 
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madtownvol said:
I am not sure what you are on the war path about. The bolded statement is not implying that rich donors were giving $ to someone they did not trust; it is just the opposite:

To reiterate:

Several on this board, who claim to have direct knowledge about these matters, have said the big donors did not trust Kellie and were not willing to expand their NIL support until she was gone.

If that is the case, does it not seem a little surprising that these big donors would have such faith in a relatively inexperienced coach? (and that presumes that White would not hire someone the donors are not going to support).

Rather than reposting, and it seems misunderstanding, my statements, could you explain what you are seemingly bothered by?
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You said it don’t seem strange. They don’t trust her.

I guess you are implying that their lack of trust is misguided based on her resume.

If I had a billion dollars I would not trust her because of the product on court and her coaching decisions. Lack of offensive sets, lack of defensive intensity, 1.1 seconds… etc…. I never look just at W-L or tournament finishes.

I read seems strange they would not give to someone they don’t trust But seems you are putting emphasis on why you think their lack of trust is misguided.

Just how two different people read text differently without voice inflection.
 
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madtownvol said:
I am not sure what you are on the war path about. The bolded statement is not implying that rich donors were giving $ to someone they did not trust; it is just the opposite:

To reiterate:

Several on this board, who claim to have direct knowledge about these matters, have said the big donors did not trust Kellie and were not willing to expand their NIL support until she was gone.

If that is the case, does it not seem a little surprising that these big donors would have such faith in a relatively inexperienced coach? (and that presumes that White would not hire someone the donors are not going to support).

Rather than reposting, and it seems misunderstanding, my statements, could you explain what you are seemingly bothered by?
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It’s not only that they were not getting their money’s worth. It’s real that some big time donors were not feeling the love from the coach they feel they deserve. Comparing Kellie to Pat again.
 
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madtownvol said:
I am not sure what you are on the war path about. The bolded statement is not implying that rich donors were giving $ to someone they did not trust; it is just the opposite:

To reiterate:

Several on this board, who claim to have direct knowledge about these matters, have said the big donors did not trust Kellie and were not willing to expand their NIL support until she was gone.

If that is the case, does it not seem a little surprising that these big donors would have such faith in a relatively inexperienced coach? (and that presumes that White would not hire someone the donors are not going to support).

Rather than reposting, and it seems misunderstanding, my statements, could you explain what you are seemingly bothered by?
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Sometimes it’s not about results but how you make people feel. If Kellie was not good with donors it’s unlikely they would want to support her as coach.

With a new hire they have more influence and earmark their dollars how they want them used.

We probably won’t ever know, but Kellie may have somehow offended donors, not made them feel welcome etc.

For whatever reason it does seem they were not willing to open their wallets for her which I find surprising but we don’t know the inner workings of what went on there.

I maintain the product under Kellie just wasn’t that fun to watch either. If those donors were in the stands for Ohio State I have no doubt they did not feel their money was being well spent.
 
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glv98 said:
Wow surprised at this, if we can still be surprised at any. When she had the huge game against LSU, Sam P went on and on about how much she was his fave, his own Miracle. I noticed she didn't play that much in their SEC tourney game I saw. The wheels seem to have really fallen off for Sam's future, though he did get Jerkala Jordan back.
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I thought she had a really solid freshman year and provided a good spark off the bench for them
 
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glv98 said:
Wow surprised at this, if we can still be surprised at any. When she had the huge game against LSU, Sam P went on and on about how much she was his fave, his own Miracle. I noticed she didn't play that much in their SEC tourney game I saw. The wheels seem to have really fallen off for Sam's future, though he did get Jerkala Jordan back.
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Might mean Van Lith so going there a lot of speculation she may be going to MSST to play for Purcell.
 
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VolBall09 said:
Sometimes it’s not about results but how you make people feel. If Kellie was not good with donors it’s unlikely they would want to support her as coach.

With a new hire they have more influence and earmark their dollars how they want them used.

We probably won’t ever know, but Kellie may have somehow offended donors, not made them feel welcome etc.

For whatever reason it does seem they were not willing to open their wallets for her which I find surprising but we don’t know the inner workings of what went on there.

I maintain the product under Kellie just wasn’t that fun to watch either. If those donors were in the stands for Ohio State I have no doubt they did not feel their money was being well spent.
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This notion that donors may not have liked the product fits with the call they gave us today about season tickets. “We’re going to play an exciting brand of basketball!” We all hope so.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
You said it don’t seem strange. They don’t trust her.

I guess you are implying that their lack of trust is misguided based on her resume.

If I had a billion dollars I would not trust her because of the product on court and her coaching decisions. Lack of offensive sets, lack of defensive intensity, 1.1 seconds… etc…. I never look just at W-L or tournament finishes.

I read seems strange they would not give to someone they don’t trust But seems you are putting emphasis on why you think their lack of trust is misguided.

Just how two different people read text differently without voice inflection.
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Last time, it is a comparative statement. Try hard to hold TWO concepts in your head, The donors wanted a coach they could trust more than Kellie before writing their checks, If White had hired, let's say Vic Schaefer, everything would make logical sense. He has much better record than Kellie so of course, the big donors would be more trusting.

It is just surprising that they would have such high levels of trust, presumably, in a coach with one year of D1 coaching experience. FYI, surprising means "unexpected." Maybe some big donors met with Caldwell and were blown away, I don't know. But it is still a "surprising" turn of events, just like no one had Coach Caldwell on their lists of likely candidates to replace KJH. She is widely described in the media as a "surprise" hire (i.e. unexpected).

The "surprise" is not that they had reservations about Kellie.

If you can't process this idea, fine.

Let's just move on.
 
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VolBall09 said:
Sometimes it’s not about results but how you make people feel. If Kellie was not good with donors it’s unlikely they would want to support her as coach.

With a new hire they have more influence and earmark their dollars how they want them used.

We probably won’t ever know, but Kellie may have somehow offended donors, not made them feel welcome etc.

For whatever reason it does seem they were not willing to open their wallets for her which I find surprising but we don’t know the inner workings of what went on there.

I maintain the product under Kellie just wasn’t that fun to watch either. If those donors were in the stands for Ohio State I have no doubt they did not feel their money was being well spent.
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Agreed.

However, I was not saying that there were NO reasons not to have reservations about Kellie. There clearly were particularly after the team did not do as well this season as last year.

Anyway, the Kellie shipped has sailed so not much point in dissecting the corpse (sorry for the horrendous mixed metaphor).
 
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madtownvol said:
Agreed.

However, I was not saying that there were NO reasons not to have reservations about Kellie. There clearly were particularly after the team did not do as well this season as last year.

Anyway, the Kellie shipped has sailed so not much point in dissecting the corpse (sorry for the horrendous mixed metaphor).
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Exactly. Let’s wave her off in style. I’m trying to let it go.
 
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