2021 Recruit Class Rating Plummets Dangerously

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JonGrudensAgent said:
Totally agree.

I don't think recruiting is a strong point for Heupel and there isn't much to sell in Knoxville right now except immediate playing time and some nice facilities.
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And ya know what, if he can develop talent and we can be competitive, I'm okay with that.

I'll also add facilities aren't really even a selling point anymore. Most teams in the conference have equal or better.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
If Heupel can’t recruit at a big time level he won’t make it at Tennessee or we just take the upper decks off Neyland and say we are East Vandy and fully accept mediocrity forever with our football program and 5-7 and 7-5 seasons at best.
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Already a step ahead of ya
 
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GoodlettsvilleVol said:
At one time, if I remember correctly, this recruit class was ranked 2, 3.

Now, on 247, after removing the rating points from Kaidon Salter and Isaiah Washington it has fallen all the way to #36.

There are now only 15 recruits left in that defection strapped class.

This is the kind of class a Bowling Green or Vanderbilt would aspire to.

Huge pressure on Heupel to bring in a top class this year. You CANNOT have two weak classes in a row. That will destroy you 3, 4, 5 years down the road.

IMHO we need a loaded top 5-10 class to overcome the 2021 debacle.
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Well you are a pretty negative guy. So by all means, explain how, with everything that’s going on with us, that we are supposed to sign a really good class.
 
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Raebo said:
With sanctions pending we couldn't even get a coach to come here for 10 million a year. Recruiting is going to be difficult for sometime.
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See some just don’t want to believe that. They think, oh we are TN and we should be able to recruit good regardless. Those people are delusional. I think we get somewhere around 35th this year. And based on what has transpired this year, we shouldn’t be upset with that.
 
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volmandu said:
Yes dont forget 9-10 transfers coming in count towards that 25 and all will help immediately. Sadly Salter will still count towards that 25.
#36 is not ideal but Oklahoma State and many other programs win 8-9 games regularly with 40 in rankings. Heupel needs to show he can win before he can rake in big recruits due to the mess we are in.
Dabo built his program initially on left over recruits form SEC so good coach can do it.
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Does oklahoma state play in the sec?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I agree. But if that happens there are going to be fans saying Heupel sucks.
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When we get manhandled by Kentucky again this season some of the fans will want him fired which is ridiculous. We have a delusional fan base the next four to five years are going to be rough no matter who we hired short of Hugh Freeze or Kiffin. Thanks again Fulmer and Pruitt.
 
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I want to see a well coached team.

A well coached team will bring talent in once it's obvious.

We have all seen TN football the past 10 years and it was clear they were not well coached.

We lose every game this year but show up and appear to be scheming well and cosched well and I am totally fine.

The team will eventually turn around and I will wait.

I am sick though of seeing guys like Kamara not playing cause it doesnt fit your infallible scheme. We have wasted tons of talent due horrible coaching.
 
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GoodlettsvilleVol said:
At one time, if I remember correctly, this recruit class was ranked 2, 3.

Now, on 247, after removing the rating points from Kaidon Salter and Isaiah Washington it has fallen all the way to #36.

There are now only 15 recruits left in that defection strapped class.

This is the kind of class a Bowling Green or Vanderbilt would aspire to.

Huge pressure on Heupel to bring in a top class this year. You CANNOT have two weak classes in a row. That will destroy you 3, 4, 5 years down the road.

IMHO we need a loaded top 5-10 class to overcome the 2021 debacle.
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UT football won't be good for a good while
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
If Heupel can’t recruit at a big time level he won’t make it at Tennessee or we just take the upper decks off Neyland and say we are East Vandy and fully accept mediocrity forever with our football program and 5-7 and 7-5 seasons at best.
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Not trying to troll you at all, but I think your post hits at a valid point. At where we are now shouldn't we give up the delusion of being an "elite" program? We haven't been relevant in a generation, and everyone around us is getting better while we get worse. What is the line of delineation that separates us from being lumped in with Nebraska, Colorado, Minnesota, Georgia Tech, and other former "elite" programs? Or should we continue to expect things to come back around based on our past and think "if we just get ____ next year, we will be back?"
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
We just lost a head to head recruiting battle with them so recruiting wise, with Beldar and Fulmer's mess still casting a shadow over us, I'm not sure we are.
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I'm talking about the 2021 class. South Carolina had one of the worst in SEC history. Yes, Tennessee is still ahead of them.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm talking about the 2021 class. South Carolina had one of the worst in SEC history. Yes, Tennessee is still ahead of them.
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Yeah, USCe's class last year was trash no doubt. Coaching changes are hell on recruiting in the age of the Portal unless you nail the hire PR wise. They are ahead of us for 22 though.
 
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volmandu said:
Yes dont forget 9-10 transfers coming in count towards that 25 and all will help immediately. Sadly Salter will still count towards that 25.
#36 is not ideal but Oklahoma State and many other programs win 8-9 games regularly with 40 in rankings. Heupel needs to show he can win before he can rake in big recruits due to the mess we are in.
Dabo built his program initially on left over recruits form SEC so good coach can do it.
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Show me where UT was out recruiting Dabo, ever.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I agree. But if that happens there are going to be fans saying Heupel sucks.
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Certainly there will be some no matter what. However if Heupel is winning and I mean getting annual victories over more than cupcakes, USCjr, Vandy, and Mizzou, then the recruiting critiques will go away. There is a massive VN contingent that have convinced themselves that Heupel through sheer will power and scheme can produce victories. I'm not convinced he can but will give him the benefit of the doubt this season and next that he can. However if he can't in year 3 he's gotta go and take his buddy at AD with him.
 
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Don't know why everyone all of a sudden is freaking out. If the situation is dawning on you just now, you haven't been paying attention.
One word: Beldar Cornhead. (ok that's two words).

This is thread is about recruiting. Let's say I'm a 6 star recruit and it's between Kirby Smart and Heupel. And in this hypothetical, pretend we don't have Heupel as the head coach, but let's just say we got Nick Saban to move to Knoxville to take over this team.

Kirby would say - "Those sanctions - you won't see a bowl game until you are a senior, or in grad school. Come to Ga and you'll play on TV and get in the "big games".

Until Heupel knows what the sanctions are going to be, he has no ammunition to counter the negative recruiting being done by other schools. THAT IS NOT HIS FAULT. So please, y'all quit saying that Heupel can't recruit. Beldar Beldar Beldar... Scorched earth.

The only positive spin he has is "If you are good, you won't sit the bench as a Freshman". Good players don't like waiting.

Don't blister me on the Nick Saban analogy. He would probably do ok here faster than Heupel, but even he wouldn't turn this ship around in 1 season.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I agree. But if that happens there are going to be fans saying Heupel sucks.
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Depends. If we are losing to UGA, UF, and Bama in 3 years by 3 TDs then yes. And if that is the case they probably aren't wrong. We need to be competitive in year 3, regardless of recruiting rankings, or Heupel probably isn't the guy.
 
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I don't think losing Salter was that bad of a thing. I don't think we need an idiot like that in the locker room. OK, so you think - idiot? ptcarter is being harsh, isn't he? Getting arrested once.. that's bad and can be overcome. Getting arrested a month later.. IQ level being revealed. Posting about how your NIL likeness is going to get you rich sometime soon, even when you didn't get to participate in the spring game because you were awaiting a court date for (was it?) stealing drugs? That was the clincher for me. Idiot. Convince me I'm wrong. I'll hang up and listen.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Show me where UT was out recruiting Dabo, ever.
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You would probably be talking about the 247 Composite Team Rankings. That is what most fans use, anyway. Two of Butch Jones's signing classes definitely did finish ahead of Dabo Swinney's classes at Clemson :

2014

Tennessee's class finished #7 (Derek Barnett, Jalen Hurd, Josh Malone)
Clemson's class finished #16

2015

Tennessee's class finished #4 (Kyle Phillips, Drew Richmond, Shy Tuttle, Darrell Taylor)
Clemson's class finished #9

Now, it has to be said that the majority of the players in the 2015 Tennessee class either did not pan out, or they transferred early into their careers at Tennessee, such as - Kahlil McKenzie, Preston Williams and Venzell Boulware. Clearly, Dabo Swinney and his staff have been far superior to any of Tennessee's staffs with player development... but your post didn't talk about development, you just asked about recruiting.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Show me where UT was out recruiting Dabo, ever.
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2009, 2010, 2014, 2015, 2017 according to Rivals. Doesn’t make a darn bit of difference if you can’t coach. The point is that Heup has to show he can coach. If he can show he can coach, he’s in the SEC and he has the facilities. We’ll be fine….. if he can coach. If he can coach like Dabo, we’ll be golden. Especially with his alma mater firing him.
Fingers crossed.
 
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