2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

#676
#676
BTW BM didn’t make that team much better because they was 2-8 with or without him.
HB stats : ——- BM stats:
16 games ——- 10 games
281-411. ——- 280-428.
69.8%. ——- 65.4%
4,672 yds. ——- 3,572 yd
50tds. ——- 35tds
10ints. —— 12ints
HB played 6 more games and attempted less pass and threw for more yds and touchdowns. So what stats are you looking at.
 
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OLB19_76 said:
BTW BM didn’t make that team much better because they was 2-8 with or without him.
HB stats : ——- BM stats:
16 games ——- 10 games
281-411. ——- 280-428.
69.8%. ——- 65.4%
4,672 yds. ——- 3,572 yd
50tds. ——- 35tds
10ints. —— 12ints
HB played 6 more games and attempted less pass and threw for more yds and touchdowns. So what stats are you looking at.
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Include rushing stats and you’ll get the stats I was looking at. Add 466 yards and 6 tds to BMs total and I think 73(?) and 3 tds to HBs. That means BM accounted for 40 tds in 10 games or (4 tds a game). HB accounted for 53 tds or (3.5 tds a game). BM average yards per game (accounted for) was over 400 yds. HBs average yards (accounted for) per game was 315.
 
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#680
I believe the defense was more responsible for the early season woes than the offense . JG’s meltdown was caused by trying to do too much. Defensive improvement was the linchpin for the turn around.
 
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rikberry31 said:
I believe the defense was more responsible for the early season woes than the offense . JG’s meltdown was caused by trying to do too much. Defensive improvement was the linchpin for the turn around.
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I agree but I feel it was both the lack of defense as well as JG making bad decisions. This team played flat and uninspired the first 4 games almost like they expected to lose before ever taking the field. I feel the turn around was a combination of better defense, the willingness to change qbs and JGs resurgence due to it all.
 
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1vol8 said:
Include rushing stats and you’ll get the stats I was looking at. Add 466 yards and 6 tds to BMs total and I think 73(?) and 3 tds to HBs. That means BM accounted for 40 tds in 10 games or (4 tds a game). HB accounted for 53 tds or (3.5 tds a game). BM average yards per game (accounted for) was over 400 yds. HBs average yards (accounted for) per game was 315.
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Great but looks like BM played almost every snap because they was playing catch up a lot. So let’s do this at least 7 games this year HB didn’t take a snap in the second half or attempt a pass. He had 5 games this year he had 6tds at half and could have easily thrown 10 tds in them games. So if his team was getting beat like a bass drum he would have had to play in those games. As for rushing attempts HB has 0 designed runs in the play book after he broke his collarbone. His freshman year he had 4 tds over 30 yds running. He broke it his sophomore year 3rd game of the season.
 
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1vol8 said:
I agree but I feel it was both the lack of defense as well as JG making bad decisions. This team played flat and uninspired the first 4 games almost like they expected to lose before ever taking the field. I feel the turn around was a combination of better defense, the willingness to change qbs and JGs resurgence due to it all.
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The first month you saw a bunch of scared kids who didn’t know what they were doing, once they gained some confidence and figured out what they were supposed to do it was a different team.
 
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OLB19_76 said:
Great but looks like BM played almost every snap because they was playing catch up a lot. So let’s do this at least 7 games this year HB didn’t take a snap in the second half or attempt a pass. He had 5 games this year he had 6tds at half and could have easily thrown 10 tds in them games. So if his team was getting beat like a bass drum he would have had to play in those games. As for rushing attempts HB has 0 designed runs in the play book after he broke his collarbone. His freshman year he had 4 tds over 30 yds running. He broke it his sophomore year 3rd game of the season.
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I’m not meaning to seem critical of HB. I think he a good qb but how good remains to be seen when he’s put in a position to have to carry his team against a team that outmatches his own. AG was a man amongst boys and often HB would use that to his advantage and rightfully so. But that kind of mismatch is now gone and replaced by an even playing field and I think it’s safe to say that without AG HBs numbers don’t look quite like they do. He could be average, good or even great but we won’t know until the opportunity to prove it presents itself. All I’m saying is it seems most are putting too much on him and writing BM off.
 
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rikberry31 said:
The first month you saw a bunch of scared kids who didn’t know what they were doing, once they gained some confidence and figured out what they were supposed to do it was a different team.
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Defensively yes. But I do feel it was clear that JG didn’t look that bad in practice and therefore proved he knew exactly what he was doing. Although knowing what you’re doing and executing it is 2 different worlds.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’m not meaning to seem critical of HB. I think he a good qb but how good remains to be seen when he’s put in a position to have to carry his team against a team that outmatches his own. AG was a man amongst boys and often HB would use that to his advantage and rightfully so. But that kind of mismatch is now gone and replaced by an even playing field and I think it’s safe to say that without AG HBs numbers don’t look quite like they do. He could be average, good or even great but we won’t know until the opportunity to prove it presents itself. All I’m saying is it seems most are putting too much on him and writing BM off.
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Well you are a numbers guy right. AG has 14 of HBs 50 Tds this year and 1,600 of his 4,672 yds. So let’s not count the 8 tds he dropped that hit him in his hands. Lets take those numbers off and he throws 3,072 yds with 36 TDs🤣🤣🤣
 
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rikberry31 said:
I believe the defense was more responsible for the early season woes than the offense . JG’s meltdown was caused by trying to do too much. Defensive improvement was the linchpin for the turn around.
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Against Ga State, I agree. Against BYU, the defense played well for 59 1/2 minutes.

I’ve posted this before.... I had a guy tell me after Ga State - who lets just say would really, really know - that JG was absolutely paralyzed trying to go through route progressions in that game.
 
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OLB19_76 said:
Well you are a numbers guy right. AG has 14 of HBs 50 Tds this year and 1,600 of his 4,672 yds. So let’s not count the 8 tds he dropped that hit him in his hands. Let take those numbers off and he throws 3,072 yds with 36 TDs🤣🤣🤣
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I’m actually not a numbers guy. I look at numbers and compare to them to situations.
 
#689
#689
This is stupid to entertain but heck I will do it because the football on right now is bad.

How about BM’s Wr D.McBride had 1167 yds and 9 tds. Let’s take his numbers away and see how he looks.
Best of luck to all the QBs in that room
 
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OLB19_76 said:
This is stupid to entertain but heck I will do it because the football on right now is bad.

How about BM’s Wr D.McBride had 1167 yds and 9 tds. Let’s take his numbers away and see how he looks.
Best of luck to all the QBs in that room
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McBride was all of 5’11 180ish and ran about a 5.1 40 if I had to guess. But you’re right, probably the best WR on the team
 
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GAVol said:
Against Ga State, I agree. Against BYU, the defense played well for 59 1/2 minutes.

I’ve posted this before.... I had a guy tell me after Ga State - who lets just say would really, really know - that JG was absolutely paralyzed trying to go through route progressions in that game.
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No doubt. JG has always struggled with reads and going through the progressions. One of his issues this season was tat Chaney’s multiple offense requires pre and post snap reads an JG struggled with this.
 
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OLB19_76 said:
Heck play that competition you don’t have to be to fast
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Do you know anything about Florida Hs football? Arguably the best in the nation. Produces more NFL talent than any other state. Do you know his school was too big to compete within his own city? Therefore Westport was the only team that had to compete with the Orlando area. Idk how much you know about Orlando but “soft” isn’t a word I would choose to describe the kids or their upbringing in that area. Is it south Florida? No... but there’s a lot more talent than you know.
 
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irish1485 said:
Joe burrow is a 5th year senior. He's been amazing, but before this year he wasn't on anyone's radar.. he actually only had 16 TDs last year. Let's not act like he's been doing this before this year. The most impressive this to me beside his accuracy is his pocket presence, JG just doesn't seen to have that feel. Hopefully he can improve that area.
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What’s the dumbest thing you guys has ever posted on Volnation? I’ll start....

In an offseason thread, I posted “JG>>>Joe Burrow”. Dear God, please forgive me.

Not a chance any of you can top that one.
 
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cgrish said:
Most people actually think we are a good qb away from being in contention for sec east. And I think so too.
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12th in the SEC in rushing yards and last in rushing TDs indicates there are other pressing issues. Got to help whoever is playing QB a little by getting closer to 5 yards per attempt. The last 3 years have been sad up front and until we fix that, great QB play will only get us so far.
 
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@FLVOL_79. Harrison Bailey played the better competition. I’m not denying that. Although what I’m trying to get people to understand is simple. When you are the only player on a bad team that defenses have to stop to win it’s more impressive if they can’t because the defenses game plan to stop you and you only. That makes the odds 11/1. When you play the kind of competition that HB played against you have to have a complete team around you to neutralize or overpower the talent across the LOS. As a defense it’s harder to game plan for a team like that because now there are several players you have to game plan for. In HBs case he had 2 major D1 WRs, an equally talented RB and an o line among the best in the country. Which means the team as a whole was talented enough to at least neutralize every position across from them. In most positions dominate. So the level of competition is void at best but can be argued to be slanted in BMs favor that he was actually facing tougher odds vs his INDIVIDUAL talent.

Maybe the easiest way to describe what I’m saying is to picture a 12 game schedule of Florida, Alabama, Georgia and Clemson on a rotation for us. That’s the odds BM was against every single week because they couldn’t match up outside of him.
 
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#698
KBVol said:
What’s the dumbest thing you guys has ever posted on Volnation? I’ll start....

In an offseason thread, I posted “JG>>>Joe Burrow”. Dear God, please forgive me.

Not a chance any of you can top that one.
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To be fair no one could've predicted Burrow's leap this year..
 
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#699
KBVol said:
What’s the dumbest thing you guys has ever posted on Volnation? I’ll start....

In an offseason thread, I posted “JG>>>Joe Burrow”. Dear God, please forgive me.

Not a chance any of you can top that one.
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May god have mercy on your soul for that one.
 
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1vol8 said:
I can’t believe no one is talking about the fact that JG wasn’t the sole reason we lost to GAST. We couldn’t stop the option so defense shares half the blame on that one but has anyone compared GAST to Kentucky? Once again we couldn’t stop the option in the first half and there’s countless posts suggesting Maurer would’ve lost that game. I see similarities.
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Yeah it was equal distribution of bad looking high school football. But, it’s in the rear view mirror now...dark clouds are clearing and 2020 is a new decade for Vols to re-emerge!
 
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