2020 qb comparison/talk/debate (merged)

[whodeycin85]

No, we saw plenty of BM, Hill has played, we saw some of JT. We use college stats for college players. Now if some can't perform in college oh well.

We are also rating them on a scale for college are we not? So if we see a guy is inaccurate vs college players then he is inaccurate right? Doesn't matter about HS when we see him vs actual college players.

BM is not the best in any category.
Arm strength all close.
Accuracy and decision making JG and HB are best.
Speed and elusiveness are Holiday with no one close at all.

Out of the ones that have played college ball BM is the third or fourth best passer. That is a statistical fact.

How can you rank a QB 8 and above in awareness and decision making after he lead UT to the worse loss ever here..
The fumble at alabama. The fact his coaches said he making the wrong calls. Therefore being benched for a freshman.

 

[whodeycin85]

No, we saw plenty of BM, Hill has played, we saw some of JT. We use college stats for college players. Now if some can't perform in college oh well.

We are also rating them on a scale for college are we not? So if we see a guy is inaccurate vs college players then he is inaccurate right? Doesn't matter about HS when we see him vs actual college players.

BM is not the best in any category.
Arm strength all close.
Accuracy and decision making JG and HB are best.
Speed and elusiveness are Holiday with no one close at all.

Out of the ones that have played college ball BM is the third or fourth best passer. That is a statistical fact.

Statistical fact shows thats BM stats vs top 25 this season are better. In fact if u compare his stats vs other true freshman that played bama,uga,and fla you would find he is very close to an all sec freshamn qb


And for please find a website more credible to pull stats from. They have only been around since last year and dont define thier advance stats. So accuracy and others seems to have no backing other then opinion

 

[k-town_king]

How can you rank a QB 8 and above in awareness and decision making after he lead UT to the worse loss ever here..
The fumble at alabama. The fact his coaches said he making the wrong calls. Therefore being benched for a freshman.

Most passes in a row without an interception. Third highest completion percentage in school history. Lowest interception rate in school history.

 

[k-town_king]

Statistical fact shows thats BM stats vs top 25 this season are better. In fact if u compare his stats vs other true freshman that played bama,uga,and fla you would find he is very close to an all sec freshamn qb

Small sample size skews results. Also he wasn't better. He had one quarter at 50% when he got lucky and hit a wide open guy because they didn't respect his passing. Then threw one good one for a td. Outside of that its been a turnover fest.

 

[whodeycin85]

Most passes in a row without an interception. Third highest completion percentage in school history. Lowest interception rate in school history.

Also lowest average depth of target as well...easy throw completion in the flat with no one to intercept them

 

[whodeycin85]

Small sample size skews results. Also he wasn't better. He had one quarter at 50% when he got lucky and hit a wide open guy because they didn't respect his passing. Then threw one good one for a td. Outside of that its been a turnover fest.

So now stats dont matter cuz of sample size. Yet you compare a 4 year college QB to a freshman.??

 

[1vol8]

No, we saw plenty of BM, Hill has played, we saw some of JT. We use college stats for college players. Now if some can't perform in college oh well.

We are also rating them on a scale for college are we not? So if we see a guy is inaccurate vs college players then he is inaccurate right? Doesn't matter about HS when we see him vs actual college players.

BM is not the best in any category.
Arm strength all close.
Accuracy and decision making JG and HB are best.
Speed and elusiveness are Holiday with no one close at all.

Out of the ones that have played college ball BM is the third or fourth best passer. That is a statistical fact.

The reason it’s wrong is it doesn’t show upside of what they’ll be. There’s a reason freshman qbs get better over time and therefore can’t be judged for the future on freshman stats. Their Hs stats are more indicative to who they will be once they learn to read the defenses and know their offense they play in. That’s why for freshman you use their Hs stats. Let’s use the first int vs MSU as an example. BM threw it to JJ because that was his first read. Had he been in the system 3 years vs 6 months he would’ve KNOWN MC was underneath vs having to find him. His highlight/game film from Hs SHOW he would’ve taken the underneath route if he completely understood the offense and KNEW MC was there. So using an undeveloped freshman qbs stats as a basis is actually backwards. Name one freshman in Hs that his stats mirrored his senior stats and I’ll tell you you’re right, but you won’t find one. Same goes for college and the pros.

 

[1vol8]

Small sample size skews results. Also he wasn't better. He had one quarter at 50% when he got lucky and hit a wide open guy because they didn't respect his passing. Then threw one good one for a td. Outside of that its been a turnover fest.

You call the deep pass to MC vs UGA luck? Really? That ball was so perfectly placed (after sliding in the pocket I might add) that even if they had played it perfectly on defense it wouldn’t have changed the result. Ever heard the term “There’s no defense for a perfect pass”? Well..... that’s true. That’s why decision making and accuracy are 2 different training possess.

 

[k-town_king]

Also lowest average depth of target as well...easy throw completion in the flat with no one to intercept them

Secstatcat
Highest air yards percentage
JG

Highest explosive pass play percentage
JG

Highest ypa
JG

Highest first down percentage
JG

Highest screen percentage
BM


So . yea. Your narrative is broken
BM throws more of his passes in easy plays like screens and rpos. JG has more explosive plays, higher ypa, more of his yards come through the air. You are wrong like usual.

So now stats dont matter cuz of sample size. Yet you compare a 4 year college QB to a freshman.??

We can compare just last season for them.

Its skewed when you want to combine a few small amounts of time to fit your agenda.

We can look at the the whole season or individual games. At no point has BM been better.

 

[1vol8]

Small sample size skews results. Also he wasn't better. He had one quarter at 50% when he got lucky and hit a wide open guy because they didn't respect his passing. Then threw one good one for a td. Outside of that its been a turnover fest.

Here’s a big sample size of why HB doesn’t compare to BM. Remember.....15 games for HB vs 10 for BM and add 466 yds and 6 tds for rushing. Stats say he doesn’t compare. This should satisfy your craving for “stats”

 

[k-town_king]

The reason it’s wrong is it doesn’t show upside of what they’ll be. There’s a reason freshman qbs get better over time and therefore can’t be judged for the future on freshman stats. Their Hs stats are more indicative to who they will be once they learn to read the defenses and know their offense they play in. That’s why for freshman you use their Hs stats. Let’s use the first int vs MSU as an example. BM threw it to JJ because that was his first read. Had he been in the system 3 years vs 6 months he would’ve KNOWN MC was underneath vs having to find him. His highlight/game film from Hs SHOW he would’ve taken the underneath route if he completely understood the offense and KNEW MC was there. So using an undeveloped freshman qbs stats as a basis is actually backwards. Name one freshman in Hs that his stats mirrored his senior stats and I’ll tell you you’re right, but you won’t find one. Same goes for college and the pros.

Ok so if we are judging by strictly upside then HB or Holiday are the best. Great potential.

We don't know he would learn those things. He threw a good amount of ints in HS. Many qbs never learn that stuff. If he does one day he will be good. If not he will be like he is right now.

 

[1vol8]

Secstatcat
Highest air yards percentage
JG

Highest explosive pass play percentage
JG

Highest ypa
JG

Highest first down percentage
JG

Highest screen percentage
BM


So . yea. Your narrative is broken
BM throws more of his passes in easy plays like screens and rpos. JG has more explosive plays, higher ypa, more of his yards come through the air. You are wrong like usual.


We can compare just last season for them.

Its skewed when you want to combine a few small amounts of time to fit your agenda.

We can look at the the whole season or individual games. At no point has BM been better.

Where are you getting these stats from? Are you creating them? BM threw VERY few screens. Now I’m confused.

 

[1vol8]

Ok so if we are judging by strictly upside then HB or Holiday are the best. Great potential.

We don't know he would learn those things. He threw a good amount of ints in HS. Many qbs never learn that stuff. If he does one day he will be good. If not he will be like he is right now.[/QUOTE
I hope you don’t coach because you’d be the coach that everyone complains about that can’t see what he’s got.

 

[GVF]

There' 4 qtrs. Each QB gets half a qtr. That's 3 qtrs. of trying out for starter. Winner gets 4th quarter. Problem solved for game 2.

 

[k-town_king]

Here’s a big sample size of why HB doesn’t compare to BM. Remember.....15 games for HB vs 10 for BM and add 466 yds and 6 tds for rushing. Stats say he doesn’t compare. This should satisfy your craving for “stats”
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So more yards, higher completion percentage, more tds, less ints in more games, higher ypc?

Yea I see why HB is ranked higher. Good point

 

[k-town_king]

click the link secstat has screen percentage listed.
JG 3.54%
BM 5.56%

 

[Kngsport VFL]

There is nothing to debate. The coaches will decide after seeing them perform in practice.

 

[1vol8]

So more yards, higher completion percentage, more tds, less ints in more games, higher ypc?

Yea I see why HB is ranked higher. Good point

15 games vs 10. About a 200 yard difference on a bad team vs HBs being nationally ranked. You lost that one. Kind of makes you wonder what his numbers would’ve looked like with another 5 games doesn’t it?

 

[1vol8]

click the link secstat has screen percentage listed.
JG 3.54%
BM 5.56%

They must be labeling the quick passes to the flats as screens. I get it now but I’m not sure I agree that those are “screens”. But whatever.

 

[OrangeDog]

There is nothing to debate. The coaches will decide after seeing them perform in practice.

Oh man.............. I just had my compilation of STATS and Rumors and Fast Twitch/Slow Twitch info and Height and Body Mass index and Stars and Combined Rating Ratios............and NOW you tell me I don't get to vote on it?

You took the wind out of my sails!

 

[whodeycin85]

Secstatcat
Highest air yards percentage
JG

Highest explosive pass play percentage
JG

Highest ypa
JG

Highest first down percentage
JG

Highest screen percentage
BM


So . yea. Your narrative is broken
BM throws more of his passes in easy plays like screens and rpos. JG has more explosive plays, higher ypa, more of his yards come through the air. You are wrong like usual.


We can compare just last season for them.

Its skewed when you want to combine a few small amounts of time to fit your agenda.

We can look at the the whole season or individual games. At no point has BM been better.

Wait so we can either debate a whole season or individual games. But not games in which both players played??? Nice who has a broken narrative. And again sectat site is not a recogized site. Only by u

 

[cgrish]

Also lowest average depth of target as well...easy throw completion in the flat with no one to intercept them

And very few points scored, which should be the main stat. Points scored. I feel Pruitt will start jg next year regardless of how good any of the others are. But time will tell. I feel we have the talent to be competitive with anyone next year with good qb play, and I just don't see it in jg. Maurer did not get to play against the supposedly cup cake teams .His first start was against Ga. He played against ga. Miss state, and did well till he got hurt, and bama. Lots of difference in bama and ga. than Ga st. chatt. and byu. Had Maurer played in those games who knows what he would have done with that much game expierence.

 

[k-town_king]

15 games vs 10. About a 200 yard difference on a bad team vs HBs being nationally ranked. You lost that one. Kind of makes you wonder what his numbers would’ve looked like with another 5 games doesn’t it?

You gotta wonder what Bailey's stats would be if they threw it 47 time a game too right?

Damn after looking again its even more in Bailey's favor. I see why you keep talking about games. You want to distract from the fact that Maurer THREW MORE PASSES.

So more passes and less tds, less yards, lower completion percentage.

If Bailey threw it that much he would have had 5k and 50tds. lmao

 

[bpalmer28]

Give me The Jet at QB with Gray in the backfield behind our elite OL in 2020 and let's go!

 

[whodeycin85]

And very few points scored, which should be the main stat. Points scored. I feel Pruitt will start jg next year regardless of how good any of the others are. But time will tell. I feel we have the talent to be competitive with anyone next year with good qb play, and I just don't see it in jg. Maurer did not get to play against the supposedly cup cake teams .His first start was against Ga. He played against ga. Miss state, and did well till he got hurt, and bama. Lots of difference in bama and ga. than Ga st. chatt. and byu. Had Maurer played in those games who knows what he would have done with that much game expierence.

Thank you....if u compare the other 2 sec true freshman against uga bama and fla. BM actually compares pretty good...especially those are his first starts where as the others played them after much more PT