2020 Presidential Race

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zeppelin128 said:
Biden won't be the nominee.
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Somebody is going to have to beat him in a primary for that to happen, IMO.

He’s a good repudiation of Trumpism and he’s seen as electable.

One of those has to take a hit for his lead to go, and I think he’s genuine about being willing to work across the aisle and he has a history of it.

The 40 year old comments aren’t getting it done, but his responses might. Interested to see if his response to that question in the last debate gets enough publicity to move his numbers. For somebody who is banking on black voters, that was an all-time bad answer, but the only people talking about it are the hyper-woke.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Somebody is going to have to beat him in a primary for that to happen, IMO.

He’s a good repudiation of Trumpism and he’s seen as electable.

One of those has to take a hit for his lead to go, and I think he’s genuine about being willing to work across the aisle and he has a history of it.

The 40 year old comments aren’t getting it done, but his responses might. Interested to see if his response to that question in the last debate gets enough publicity to move his numbers. For somebody who is banking on black voters, that was an all-time bad answer, but the only people talking about it are the hyper-woke.
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I don't think he will win Iowa. The electability argument is helping him a lot right now, plus name recognition and his ties with President Obama. And frankly anyone is better than Trump. But I think the missteps will keep piling up as we get closer to the end of the year and start to hurt him in the numbers.

Anecdotal aside, but I don't know a single person that have stated they are voting for him or even like him all that much. Most of my friends are supporting either the Bern, Warren, Yang, or Pete.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't think he will win Iowa. The electability argument is helping him a lot right now, plus name recognition and his ties with President Obama. And frankly anyone is better than Trump. But I think the missteps will keep piling up as we get closer to the end of the year and start to hurt him in the numbers.

Anecdotal aside, but I don't know a single person that have stated they are voting for him or even like him all that much. Most of my friends are supporting either the Bern, Warren, Yang, or Pete.
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My better half was full Biden and she has since moved to Yang, then Pete, and then Biden.
 
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Yang's fun to watch because tossing around a thousand bucks is like me buying an extra doughnut. Seriously this guy will not be the nominee, nor will Harris or Spartacus or Castro or Beto or Klobucha or the dozen other pretenders. They should step aside and work on their book deals so the 3 / 4 real possibilities have the stage and plenty of time to explain to the public how they plan to pay for all their proposed free stuff.
 
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Obsessed said:
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She sat out last election. She couldn’t bring herself to vote for either Trump or Hillary. But Trump makes her blood boil so she will ultimately vote for whoever the Dem nominee is. She doesn’t have many policy issues with Trump. We both hate what he’s done with the deficit. She just loathes his general jack assery.
 
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volfanhill said:
She sat out last election. She couldn’t bring herself to vote for either Trump or Hillary. But Trump makes her blood boil so she will ultimately vote for whoever the Dem nominee is. She doesn’t have many policy issues with Trump. We both hate what he’s done with the deficit. She just loathes his general jack assery.
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Have you both hated what every president has done with the deficit or is this a new realization?
 
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volfanhill said:
She sat out last election. She couldn’t bring herself to vote for either Trump or Hillary. But Trump makes her blood boil so she will ultimately vote for whoever the Dem nominee is. She doesn’t have many policy issues with Trump. We both hate what he’s done with the deficit. She just loathes his general jack assery.
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This is a very fair statement . I agree with you both except the voting for whoever the Dem candidate is .
 
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volfanhill said:
She sat out last election. She couldn’t bring herself to vote for either Trump or Hillary. But Trump makes her blood boil so she will ultimately vote for whoever the Dem nominee is. She doesn’t have many policy issues with Trump. We both hate what he’s done with the deficit. She just loathes his general jack assery.
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I keep hearing that complaint, and I can't really figure out exactly what Trump has done to the deficit ... particularly when congress controls spending. The deficit is an out of control disaster largely caused by large inadequately funded social programs started years ago. Perhaps I'm just of the old caveman variety; but I have the strong feeling that if you earn something, it's yours ... not the government's to give away. So if it's tax cuts that you think fuel "Trump's deficit", I don't think you're going to find much support for your position here.
 
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AM64 said:
I keep hearing that complaint, and I can't really figure out exactly what Trump has done to the deficit ... particularly when congress controls spending. The deficit is an out of control disaster largely caused by large inadequately funded social programs started years ago. Perhaps I'm just of the old caveman variety; but I have the strong feeling that if you earn something, it's yours ... not the government's to give away. So if it's tax cuts that you think fuel "Trump's deficit", I don't think you're going to find much support for your position here.
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I don’t view the deficit as an income problem. It’s purely an expenditure problem. So I have no issues with the tax cut. And yes I am well aware that congress controls the purse. But he has to sign off on it. Send me a budget that increases the deficit then refuse to sign it. Also when the GOP controlled everything it went up.
 
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volfanhill said:
I don’t view the deficit as an income problem. It’s purely an expenditure problem. So I have no issues with the tax cut. And yes I am well aware that congress controls the purse. But he has to sign off on it. Send me a budget that increases the deficit then refuse to sign it. Also when the GOP controlled everything it went up.
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We are at the point that funding obligations due to past legislation just about swamp all spending. In a few years we could not spend a dime on infrastructure or much of anything else and still wind up increasing the deficit. Something's got to give and congress already figured out that undoing ObamaCare is almost impossible and that the party who does it faces ruin. Congress is an extremely stupid organism that implements stuff that when proven bad finds there's no way to unravel it. Too bad people can't figure out that change isn't necessarily for the better; and "progressive" change is never for the better.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
Liberals don't care about the screams why cut the cord?

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Pure evil right there. Makes me sick and the stories keep coming. I would be surprised if that above pic is not censored. If anyone has ever looked at the actual procedure, they would realize the baby is squirming and in pain.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
Pure evil right there. Makes me sick and the stories keep coming. I would be surprised if that above pic is not censored. If anyone has ever looked at the actual procedure, they would realize the baby is squirming and in pain.
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every supporter and voter is in lock step with Satan! Whether they want to acknowledge it or not.
 
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Can't let the truth out now can we? Especially after over 2000 murdered babies body parts were found in Saint Pete's district shortly after he vetoes the Pro-Life Center.

 
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hjeagle1vol said:
Can't let the truth out now can we? Especially after over 2000 murdered babies body parts were found in Saint Pete's district shortly after he vetoes the Pro-Life Center.

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Yeah, that isn't why he vetoed the zoning change. He had good reason to do so. He was completely correct in how he handled it.

“Issues on the legality or morality of abortion are dramatically beyond my paygrade as a mayor,” he said. “I don’t think it would be responsible to situate two groups, literally right next to each other, in a neighborhood, that have diametrically opposed views on the most divisive social issue of our time.”

Buttigieg “articulated it well that this is a zoning issue,” she said. “The potential for that conflict, is that going to be a welcoming and peaceful first impression when people drive in from the airport? It’s not a right-to-life issue, it’s not right-of-choice issue, it’s a right to live in a peaceful community.”

Buttigieg said there are plenty of other locations, already appropriately zoned, where Women’s Care Center could expand in its desire to better serve the city’s west side.

“I saw data that there was about triple the rate of violence or harassment issues when a clinic is located next to a crisis pregnancy center,” Buttigieg said. “It’s about 21 percent, versus about 7 percent when there’s not one right next to them. That was obviously a concern that got my attention.”

South Bend mayor Pete Buttigieg vetoes anti-abortion group's rezoning | Local | southbendtribune.com
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Yeah, that isn't why he vetoed the zoning change. He had good reason to do so. He was completely correct in how he handled it.

“Issues on the legality or morality of abortion are dramatically beyond my paygrade as a mayor,” he said. “I don’t think it would be responsible to situate two groups, literally right next to each other, in a neighborhood, that have diametrically opposed views on the most divisive social issue of our time.”

Buttigieg “articulated it well that this is a zoning issue,” she said. “The potential for that conflict, is that going to be a welcoming and peaceful first impression when people drive in from the airport? It’s not a right-to-life issue, it’s not right-of-choice issue, it’s a right to live in a peaceful community.”

Buttigieg said there are plenty of other locations, already appropriately zoned, where Women’s Care Center could expand in its desire to better serve the city’s west side.

“I saw data that there was about triple the rate of violence or harassment issues when a clinic is located next to a crisis pregnancy center,” Buttigieg said. “It’s about 21 percent, versus about 7 percent when there’s not one right next to them. That was obviously a concern that got my attention.”

South Bend mayor Pete Buttigieg vetoes anti-abortion group's rezoning | Local | southbendtribune.com
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Yea Saint Peter let zoning get in the way saving babies lives. Good call 🙄

On the other hand my 3rd grandchild was born today 😇

Thankfully my daughter was raised to respect life and he wasn’t born in Pete’s district!
 
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