2020 Presidential Race

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BowlBrother85 said:
It has nothing to do with any irrational hatred for Trump. I do not believe that there are any "life-long Democrats" going to his rallies or planning to vote for him in 2020. His policies are way too far to the right, especially on social issues which any true "life-long Democrat" would hold dear. His judicial nominees are too far to the right. He is combative, polarizing and divisive. Trump has not reached across the aisle at all or ever offered to compromise on anything. He has only wanted to be the President of the people who voted for him in 2016. There is not one single shred of evidence in any of the polls which suggests that Trump has increased his base of support by even one percentage point. The people who voted for him in 2016 still like him but the people who voted against him do not.. it really is that simple. I do not care what personal anecdotal bull crap stories any of the conservatives here wish to waste time posting, I do not believe any of them.
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But, but....Trump is a Democrat.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Trump isn’t far right. Most of the positions he holds today were common amongst the Democrats within he last decade. Some within he last 5 years.
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Yes, he is far right ... and no, the policies he holds right now on de-regulating environmental protections, abortion, and immigration restrictions are not anything that Democrats have ever held. That is beyond ridiculous.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Trump isn’t far right. Most of the positions he holds today were common amongst the Democrats within he last decade. Some within he last 5 years.
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Shows how far radical they have went in a relatively short period that they don’t even realize what you are saying is right.

Dems used to be pro borders and border enforcement
Dems used to welcome pro life working class people, those days are gone
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He panders hard to the far right on every major issue - immigration, abortion, environmental protection de-regulation, federal judiciary nominees, etc... I don't know why anything needs to be explained. Those things will not win you support from moderates, much less "life-long Democrats". It's bs.
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Yeah when I think of Brett Kavanaugh, I think far-right.....
 
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volfanjustin said:
Shows how far radical they have went in a relatively short period that they don’t even realize what you are saying is right.

Dems used to be pro borders and border enforcement
Dems used to welcome pro life working class people, those days are gone
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It's not right! The Democratic Party has NEVER stood for restricting abortion, de-regulating EPA protections and limiting legal immigration! This is such a stupid claim!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's not right! The Democratic Party has NEVER stood for restricting abortion, de-regulating EPA protections and limiting legal immigration! This is such a stupid claim!
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Dems used to say rare and safe for abortions, dems used to want secure borders. Your party would not accept a pro life person anymore. Your party is full of radical lunatics, now maybe that’s where the country is headed with the promise of so much free stuff I certainly hope not but maybe we are.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Dems used to say rare and safe for abortions, dems used to want secure borders. Your party would not accept a pro life person anymore. Your party is full of radical lunatics, now maybe that’s where the country is headed with the promise of so much free stuff I certainly hope not but maybe we are.
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Democrats still want secure borders, they just don't see the need for a border wall and they do want refugees to be able to seek asylum at ports of entry. Democrats have not accepted pro-life people in over 30 years. Most importantly, Democrats don't want environmental protections rolled back at the record rate that the Trump administration has done and they don't want LEGAL immigration to be restricted.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Democrats still want secure borders, they just don't see the need for a border wall and they do want refugees to be able to seek asylum at ports of entry. Democrats have not accepted pro-life people in over 30 years. Most importantly, Democrats don't want environmental protections rolled back at the record rate that the Trump administration has done and they don't want LEGAL immigration to be restricted.
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Bill Clinton would get ran off the stage in a dem debate today. I don’t know how much further left your party can go, is there a limit?
 
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volfanjustin said:
Bill Clinton would get ran off the stage in a dem debate today. I don’t know how much further left your party can go, is there a limit?
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That is not true. Bill would compromise with Republicans in order to get things done, and after the '94 mid-terms, he had no choice but to give in to Gingrich on a lot of legislation. However, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is hands down the most liberal Supreme Court Justice ever appointed... he was not a moderate.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It has nothing to do with any irrational hatred for Trump. I do not believe that there are any "life-long Democrats" going to his rallies or planning to vote for him in 2020. His policies are way too far to the right, especially on social issues which any true "life-long Democrat" would hold dear. His judicial nominees are too far to the right. He is combative, polarizing and divisive. Trump has not reached across the aisle at all or ever offered to compromise on anything. He has only wanted to be the President of the people who voted for him in 2016. There is not one single shred of evidence in any of the polls which suggests that Trump has increased his base of support by even one percentage point. The people who voted for him in 2016 still like him but the people who voted against him do not.. it really is that simple. I do not care what personal anecdotal bull crap stories any of the conservatives here wish to waste time posting, I do not believe any of them.
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Which policies are too far right?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He panders hard to the far right on every major issue - immigration, abortion, environmental protection de-regulation, federal judiciary nominees, etc... I don't know why anything needs to be explained. Those things will not win you support from moderates, much less "life-long Democrats". It's bs.
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I had no idea that enforcing laws, wanting to keep more of the money you make, personal responsibility, not killing babies for no reason, etc were far right views.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not true. Bill would compromise with Republicans in order to get things done after the '94 mid-terms, he had no choice but to give in to Gingrich on a lot of legislation. However, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is hands down the most liberal Supreme Court Justice ever appointed... he was not a moderate.
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You cherrypick your points and then assign your desired conclusion.

For example above, you seem to imply we can determine a president’s degree of tilt based on Supreme Court nominees.
 
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C-south said:
I had no idea that enforcing laws, wanting to keep more of the money you make, personal responsibility, not killing babies for no reason, etc were far right views.
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This is a loaded statement and you are misrepresenting much of what I said. I said that Democrats are against limiting LEGAL immigration and they believe that refugees should be allowed to seek asylum at ports of entry (which is also legal). I haven't even mentioned taxation or personal responsibility. Killing babies is a loaded statement. Democrats don't see it that way... to us, life begins at birth, not conception. Banning abortion entirely, even in cases involving rape or incest (which is the current movement at hand in Alabama) is a far right view.
 
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C-south said:
I had no idea that enforcing laws, wanting to keep more of the money you make, personal responsibility, not killing babies for no reason, etc were far right views.
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This is a common leftist tactic to stifle debate. They claim anything to the right of their leftwing ideologies is far-right extremism.

You cannot point at a single "far-right" policy Trump has created while President. Conservative yes, far-right no. Unless BB is conflating conservatives with the "far-right", which would be extraordinarily stupid and disingenuous..
 
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DC_Vol said:
You cherrypick your points and then assign your desired conclusion.

For example above, you seem to imply we can determine a president’s degree of tilt based on Supreme Court nominees.
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That is one of obviously many factors... and probably not as much of an indicator as the other things I've mentioned. Trump has just followed The Federalist on his two Supreme Court picks.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is a loaded statement and you are misrepresenting much of what I said. I said that Democrats are against limiting LEGAL immigration and they believe that refugees should be allowed to seek asylum at ports of entry (which is also legal). I haven't even mentioned taxation or personal responsibility. Killing babies is a loaded statement. Democrats don't see it that way... to us, life begins at birth, not conception. Banning abortion entirely, even in cases involving rape or incest (which is the current movement at hand in Alabama) is a far right view.
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Immigration should absolutely be limited in every regard. Seeking asylum out of convenience should be an automatic NO. I feel the same way about refugees and a prerequisite for ALL should be assimilating to our country but I think we are too far gone at this point. At this point it takes extremes measures to make tiny steps back towards any sense of normalcy.
 
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