2020 Presidential Race

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BowlBrother85 said:
We are holding him to his own stupid words.... just as we should.
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We are a few years short of the eight Trump promised, but, no, I don't think he'll eliminate the debt even by then. Personally I wish we had provisions somewhere that assessed real penalties for failing to follow through with campaign promises. I'd love to see a supermax filled with politicians ... both sides. It would make our election process a lot saner and put a lot of marketing types out of a job.
 
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AM64 said:
I know presidents have agendas ... like Obamacare and LBJ's Great Society, but it is amazing how presidents are generally credited with being the budget busters despite the fact that congress controls spending and legislation. A president can only do so much; his party sycophants in congress are the only ones who can implement the agenda (whether they increase or decrease the debt) ... and Trump has precious few of those.
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Smh.... wow. Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, Devin Nunes... I could go on and on... He had what he needed to get bills passed for his first two years in office.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Well, he did... and you guys can use Google just as well as I can if you need verification. Just Google "Donald Trump: I will eliminate U.S. debt in 8 years". You will find a link at the top of the page to both 'PolitiFact' and 'The Hill' with his exact quote.
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Obama was going to close Gitmo and make healthcare more affordable. For some reason I cannot find your post calling him out on those.
 
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RavinDave said:
I'm just amused at your obsession.
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Obsession = A consistently held but contrarian point of view (at least as it pertains to the VN politics forum). This place tends to be a haven for Trump fan boys to an extreme (even by the standards of the southeast) ... sorry that I'm not in sympatico with that.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
1) He has given many inconsistent statements on torture. It's hard to know exactly where he stands now. During the campaign, he was all for it... but that seems to shift depending on who he is talking to.

2) During the campaign, he was strongly opposed to cuts to Medicare and Medicaid but that has now changed.

3) You are dead wrong. Trump was against gay marriage up until about 10 years ago, but you can say the same thing about most politicians. Now, your comment that Trump has been a "huge supporter of homosexual equality" is highly questionable considering the transgender military ban.

4) No, I was talking about NATO, who Trump has faulted for being "obsolete" but now says that those countries are living up to their obligations, even though nothing has changed.
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1) is, has, and still is in favor of enhanced interrogation such as waterboarding. He is bound by the Geneva convention so maybe that's were your confusion stems from.

2) He is cutting both by removing illegal, fraudulent, and able bodied from the government teet.

3) nobody has a federal right to marriage. Gay equality is about equal rights, not extra rights. The Military is not nor should it be an equal opportunity employer.

4) Trump has been consistently opposed to the US paying for NATO. He has and does advocate for other countries meeting their obligations. The pulling out stuff has a Hillary talking point(ie lie)

I would suggest leaving your echo chamber for news. Trump is a stinking pile of humanity but he is an honest stinking pile. He is also better than the alternative, a socialist stinking pile of unamerican shat.
 
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Smokeyone said:
1) is, has, and still is in favor of enhanced interrogation such as waterboarding. He is bound by the Geneva convention so maybe that's were your confusion stems from.

2) He is cutting both by removing illegal, fraudulent, and able bodied from the government teet.

3) nobody has a federal right to marriage. Gay equality is about equal rights, not extra rights. The Military is not nor should it be an equal opportunity employer.

4) Trump has been consistently opposed to the US paying for NATO. He has and does advocate for other countries meeting their obligations. The pulling out stuff has a Hillary talking point(ie lie)

I would suggest leaving your echo chamber for news. Trump is a stinking pile of humanity but he is an honest stinking pile. He is also better than the alternative, a socialist stinking pile of unamerican shat.
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He has flipped on all of the above like I said.... and you are nothing short of delusional if you find him to be an honest person.
 
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