2019 Offensive Starting Lineup (with new recruits)

#76
#76
GetYouSomeofThat said:
Not with proper coaching.

Of course that is assuming he will actually have an OC by spring practice.

IMO, if JG will learn to not "squeeze" the ball so much he can become a very effective leader of the offense. He doesn't seem to trust his receivers to be where they are supposed to be and sometimes wants them.to be open before he commits to the throw. Understandable but he needs a little bit of coaching up by Tyler Bray, a young man not afraid to throw it wherever and whenever he saw fit.

I like JG and still believe he can be developed to the point that allows the offense to be productive and score points. But it honestly depends on the coaching
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3rd different OC and 2nd different HC for JG......also, the previous HC's were not great coaches. people on this forum are assuming the CJP is no better than Butch. if thats the case, then JG will not build upon last year. i hope a majority would agree that CJP is a better developer of players, based on resume, than Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch. if so, then expect JG to progress as well as the OL and the RB in pass protection. lets face it, Helton did not call enough bootlegs, rollouts for JG last year. most of all the calls were straight drop back plays with an inexperienced OL. when you evaluate the games that the offense performed well, you will notice how much Ty Chandler was involved in the passing game and how that took pressure off of JG and the OL, and opened up the downfield passing game when the running game was hard to come by.

only a running QB could have made a difference last year. and we have none on roster. yes, JG could have made better protection calls but Helton did not provide him with enough RB support in the passing game. Ty Chandler and Eric Gray can make a huge difference without running the ball. both can act like slot receivers out of the backfield and cause problems for defenses.

the returners and the incoming talent is better this year vs last. we have a player development coach. the recipe is there to succeed more this year than the previous 5-7 years. please keep in mind, Josh Dobbs legs are the only reason behind Butch's 9 win seasons. Dobbs was a historically inaccurate passer. Butch did not recruit or develop O-Linemen. without Dobbs or Hurd, Butch would have never won 9 games. UT has gone 10 years without player development, which is easily seen in the past 10 years of NFL drafts.

there is a ton of reasons to be optimistic relative to the past 10 years. there are many ingredients on this CJP team that were not on the previous 10 teams. also, the strength and conditioning programs under Dooley and Butch were a joke. and anyone who says that S&C does not play a role in player development is uneducated about college football.

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jackieaprilesr said:
he did not commit yet. this thread was based on the theory that he would, based on his visits to UT and cancelling other visits. he is committing in February. but barring a setback from his camp, he is assumed all Vol
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I hope you're right, but I've learned from past experience not to count anybody as certain until the LOI is signed.
 
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CA_Vol said:
Next year will be another hard year. Might as well look towards the future and give the young guys the reins. We know what JG gives us. Mediocrity.
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Right now mediocrity would be an improvement. Our schedule next year may be a bit easier but we have to be able to beat Kentucky and Vandy before I’d even call us mediocre. 7-5 is mediocre.
 
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#82
#82
Hopefully at least we'll have more options to find five guys. I think Morris and Wright could start both are 300 pound road graders. I think Carvin is going to be a good lineman. The great thing is we'll have about 15 guys 10 who have played a lot gonna see is any of the ones that have played get better that is a must.
 
#83
#83
jackieaprilesr said:
3rd different OC and 2nd different HC for JG......also, the previous HC's were not great coaches. people on this forum are assuming the CJP is no better than Butch. if thats the case, then JG will not build upon last year. i hope a majority would agree that CJP is a better developer of players, based on resume, than Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch. if so, then expect JG to progress as well as the OL and the RB in pass protection. lets face it, Helton did not call enough bootlegs, rollouts for JG last year. most of all the calls were straight drop back plays with an inexperienced OL. when you evaluate the games that the offense performed well, you will notice how much Ty Chandler was involved in the passing game and how that took pressure off of JG and the OL, and opened up the downfield passing game when the running game was hard to come by.

only a running QB could have made a difference last year. and we have none on roster. yes, JG could have made better protection calls but Helton did not provide him with enough RB support in the passing game. Ty Chandler and Eric Gray can make a huge difference without running the ball. both can act like slot receivers out of the backfield and cause problems for defenses.

the returners and the incoming talent is better this year vs last. we have a player development coach. the recipe is there to succeed more this year than the previous 5-7 years. please keep in mind, Josh Dobbs legs are the only reason behind Butch's 9 win seasons. Dobbs was a historically inaccurate passer. Butch did not recruit or develop O-Linemen. without Dobbs or Hurd, Butch would have never won 9 games. UT has gone 10 years without player development, which is easily seen in the past 10 years of NFL drafts.

there is a ton of reasons to be optimistic relative to the past 10 years. there are many ingredients on this CJP team that were not on the previous 10 teams. also, the strength and conditioning programs under Dooley and Butch were a joke. and anyone who says that S&C does not play a role in player development is uneducated about college football.

convince me otherwise
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Why would anyone try to convince you of something that you would refuse to agree with even with data base evidence. You're in love with a coach and staff that produced a 5-7 record, coincidentally the same record his predecessor that you loathe had his first season. Of course his predecessor produced that record following a string of 6 seasons that only produced on winning record (7-6) while the one you so adore produced the record following a string of seasons that produced 3 out of 5 seasons with winning records and 3 bowl wins.

Sure Dobbs had a hand in those wins but to pretend he is the only reason is foolish and is a slap in the face to the other 40-50 players that busted their ass making plays and the other 85 that busted their ass in practice.

So go ahead and proclaim that CJP is the greatest and I'll hope you are correct. As i have said many times though, there is ZERO real world data that indicates he is going to be as successful as CBJ and based on his one full and one partial recruiting classes i'm concerned we are going to see CDD type records and talent levels. Hopefully i am wrong but regardless of what happens I'm simply going to post my opinion of what i see on the field and on the recruiting trails. If I'm wrong it wont be the first time and highly unlikely the last time.



But I ain't wrong.
 
#90
#90
LittleVol said:
It absolutely does involve him!

3 and outs on offense are death for your team's defense if it has no depth...

Yes, he does share some blame....
Maurer or Shrout need to emerge for the good of this program trying to rise back up!!
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JG is going to start. Nothing but injury will keep JG off the field for the remainder of his time at UT. Just deal with it, dude. No freshman QB is going to come in and "push him" for the starting job. Just move onto something else because it aint happening.
 
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CA_Vol said:
He was a part of that as well. You all act like he’s adequately sliding protection or reading blitz’s. He isn’t, as a 3rd year player.
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Are you there on the line of scrimmage right before the play is called? Do you see across the line and see the defense the same way JG sees it, then HEAR what protections and audibles JG calls?
Wait... you dont? You have absolutely no idea if he is or isnt calling the right protections and audibles. You're just saying what other people started saying when not a ****ing single one of you have any actual idea. Theres nothing you can say, either. No amount of words will prove you right. You are not there on the LOS when JG is calling protections and calling out any audibles, if he does. You do not know....yet you continue to say it as a fact.
 
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#92
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CA_Vol said:
Next year will be another hard year. Might as well look towards the future and give the young guys the reins. We know what JG gives us. Mediocrity.
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And have a couple more bad seasons playing inexperienced guys? Sounds kinda dumb.
 
#93
#93
BigOrangeTrain said:
Assuming we get Wright (we all hope he signs with us), starting 2 true FR on the OL is a risky proposition. But honestly, it wouldnt surprise me if that happens.
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unfortunately, this is our situation now. losing to Vandy, USC and Missouri on a regular basis recently exposes our shortcomings. at least our guys 'rose up' against UK.

do you see this any differently?
 
#94
#94
GetYouSomeofThat said:
Why would anyone try to convince you of something that you would refuse to agree with even with data base evidence. You're in love with a coach and staff that produced a 5-7 record, coincidentally the same record his predecessor that you loathe had his first season. Of course his predecessor produced that record following a string of 6 seasons that only produced on winning record (7-6) while the one you so adore produced the record following a string of seasons that produced 3 out of 5 seasons with winning records and 3 bowl wins.

Sure Dobbs had a hand in those wins but to pretend he is the only reason is foolish and is a slap in the face to the other 40-50 players that busted their ass making plays and the other 85 that busted their ass in practice.

So go ahead and proclaim that CJP is the greatest and I'll hope you are correct. As i have said many times though, there is ZERO real world data that indicates he is going to be as successful as CBJ and based on his one full and one partial recruiting classes i'm concerned we are going to see CDD type records and talent levels. Hopefully i am wrong but regardless of what happens I'm simply going to post my opinion of what i see on the field and on the recruiting trails. If I'm wrong it wont be the first time and highly unlikely the last time.



But I ain't wrong.
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But Dobbs himself literally won us games with his legs. Did he win it for us every game? No. But without him Butch would have been out a couple of years prior.
 
#95
#95
jackieaprilesr said:
first time, long time........

another year of depending on young depth, but game 1 offensive starters look good on paper. just with our WR's alone, the offense should make strides.

Running the ball is the main goal but a young OL will need the speed / skill guys to carry the load in the open field for a while before they are ready to run block for 30 times per game during the SEC schedule; expect a lot of quick outs to Ty Chandler / Eric Gray to pull in defense. once the 2nd level throws open up, the offense will be able to be balanced and play possession football, without an early dominate running game.......

If Kennedy stays healthy at Center, that allows last years OL returners and this years OL recruits to fill only 2 OL positions. (unless Trey Smith is unable to return). thats a lot of OL talent to fill 2 positions.

WR 1 - Callaway
WR 2 - Jennings
WR 3 - Palmer

LT - T. Smith (?)
LG - J. Johnson
Center - B. Kennedy
RG - D. Wright
RT - W. Morris

TE - DWA
QB - J. Guarantano
RB - Ty Chandler


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T Smith, even if he did come back, would be LG, not LT; he only played ;there out of necessity; frankly, he struggled...
 
#96
#96
VOLinPD said:
Damn, I'm surprised at everyone giving up on JG. Seemed to me like he was one of the best players last season and one of the least of our many problems. Obviously flawed, but had the worst OL in the SEC with a tough schedule.
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I think he will be better. He was MUCH better last year than he was the year before. He needs to put on more weight though. I think he needs to keep practicing with his gear on too. It can restrict your throw. I don’t really care to see practice film of a guy practicing out of gear.
 
#98
#98
dcm3w said:
And have a couple more bad seasons playing inexperienced guys? Sounds kinda dumb.
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What do you think next season will be like? We are replacing the entire defensive line and likely a near complete rollover on the offensive line. Next year isnt going to be some huge step forward. If you think so, you’re setting yourself for a big disappointment.
 
#99
#99
DustyRockSolid said:
Are you there on the line of scrimmage right before the play is called? Do you see across the line and see the defense the same way JG sees it, then HEAR what protections and audibles JG calls?
Wait... you dont? You have absolutely no idea if he is or isnt calling the right protections and audibles. You're just saying what other people started saying when not a ****ing single one of you have any actual idea. Theres nothing you can say, either. No amount of words will prove you right. You are not there on the LOS when JG is calling protections and calling out any audibles, if he does. You do not know....yet you continue to say it as a fact.
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Okay. Prove you’re right that he does. I’ll wait.
 
#100
#100
dcm3w said:
But Dobbs himself literally won us games with his legs. Did he win it for us every game? No. But without him Butch would have been out a couple of years prior.
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Wonder how many more games ADPF would have lost if Brandon Stewart were the guy all 4 years? Wonder if Tee hadn't been here.

You can what the eff if all day. CBJ was the coach and the Vols won games. Either he gets credits for those wins or CJP has to give back his 5.
 
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