2018 Schedule - I dare

#101
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99gator said:
C’mon man.

I don’t remember anyone on this board ever discussing the director of player personnel on someone’s staff.

Everyone can nitpick all they want, but it’s a simple point.

He’s never been on the coaching staff (and director of player personnel doesn’t count) where he had to account for a distinct talent disadvantage when compared to his opposition.

Not saying he can’t. Not saying he won’t. And more importantly, I’m not saying he won’t be able to recruit so that he doesn’t have to deal with that problem in future years.

All I am saying is that he never has been in that situation and he will be in 2018. Knowing that, it is something I would consider with regard to expectations in 2018
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Well I guess you are right then, I guess football has changed a whole lot since I played? So I guess I am out of touch with the whole process of today's football, since it has been 30+ years since I was on a sideline.
 
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#102
#102
99gator said:
C’mon man.

I don’t remember anyone on this board ever discussing the director of player personnel on someone’s staff.

Everyone can nitpick all they want, but it’s a simple point.

He’s never been on the coaching staff (and director of player personnel doesn’t count) where he had to account for a distinct talent disadvantage when compared to his opposition.

Not saying he can’t. Not saying he won’t. And more importantly, I’m not saying he won’t be able to recruit so that he doesn’t have to deal with that problem in future years.

All I am saying is that he never has been in that situation and he will be in 2018. Knowing that, it is something I would consider with regard to expectations in 2018
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agree on all points.

he knows what c'ship level programs look like, so i have a little faith that his view of players, scheme, coaches etc...will look a lot different than CBJ's perview of c'ship caliber programs at WMU and Cincy.

given that, i would expect CJP to evaluate the roster accordingly. longview, i already believe he knows there's going to have to be a difference in the type of players previously recruited, to those that need to be recruited to get where he wants to be.

so i have zero doubt in my mind that he has any desire to coach a team, for long anyway, that is disadvantaged talent wise.

long story short....

duh, he wants really good players to coach.:)
 
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#103
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jasonvol18 said:
Alabama has 24 Seniors and I'm betting a lot of the JRs declare too. They just reload but they will take a huge hit on both sides of the ball. But I agree we aren't beating Ala next year regardless.
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Alabama had 5 players declare for NFL draft yesterday if I heard the report correctly.
 
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Im certain we'll win more than 4 next year, and Id wager we will win at least 6 and go to a bowl game. Outside of that no idea really until I see how some of these teams play next year. Florida was horrible last year, so I cant see that being a no brainer loss or win at this point. Same with Kentucky, Vanderbilt, SC, etc. If they were close games last year, Id have to say I feel like we will win with a better staff next year.

After 6 or 7 wins, im down for whatever,lets get after it.
 
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#105
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WoodsmanVol said:
Sept. 1 vs. West Virginia (Charlotte, N.C.)

W 16 -10 Defense shines early, offense not so much.

Sept. 8 ETSU

W 48 - 12 Defense shows up again, weak ETSU
defense makes Ut offense look good.

Sept. 15 UTEP

W 38 - 22 Pruitt put subs in too soon.

Sept. 22 Florida

W 19 - 10 Pride on both struggling teams.

Sept. 29 at Georgia

L 38 - 16 Defense on the field too often.

Oct. 13 at Auburn

L 28 -14 Offense continues to lag behind defense
development.

Oct. 20 Alabama

W 19 -10 A shocking event. Offensive Line begins to assert itself. Backs and receivers show up in the 4th quarter.

Oct. 27 at South Carolina

W 46-26 Offense primed and confident. Pruitt inserts subs again too soon.

Nov. 3 Charlotte

W 49 - 10 Subs play a significant amount of time.

Nov. 10 Kentucky

W 50 - 10 Order of universe returns to form. But for three quarters Wildcats make it a game. Pruitt doesn’t sub this time.

Nov. 17 Missouri

W 54 - 26 Dooley hate is strong. Pruitt understands this and lets the beasts loose.

Nov. 24 at Vanderbilt

W 30 - 20 Revenge game, lots of penalties, lots of highlight plays. This is going to be a heck of a game fueled by pride, intra-state hatred, and lots of Vols fury. There will be bigger names in games in 2018 but this one has highlight championship all over it.
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Ok, we are not beating Bama next year guys. I think we will be getting closer to that in the next few years but not yet.

I can see wins against WV, ETSU, UTEP, FL, SC, KY, Charlotte, MIZ, and VU. Thats not to say that we will beat each of those teams but I think we got a chance. Heck we nearly beat FL, SC, and KY last season with the worst team in UT history.
 
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Vols_74 said:
Ok, we are not beating Bama next year guys. I think we will be getting closer to that in the next few years but not yet.

I can see wins against WV, ETSU, UTEP, FL, SC, KY, Charlotte, MIZ, and VU. Thats not to say that we will beat each of those teams but I think we got a chance. Heck we nearly beat FL, SC, and KY last season with the worst team in UT history.
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I’m sticking with 8-4, but 9 wins would be fantastic.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
7-5 stellar job?

To beat the likes of Vandy, Ky, SC, Mizzu, West Va. and the other scrubs on our schedule is 8 wins. Stellar would include more wins than 8.

We have 4 teams on our schedule. Gumps, chumps, gaters and gump's brother that's where our gump will earn his money.
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What makes you think that UT should beat West Virginia or South Carolina next season?
 
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#109
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99gator said:
I'll just give one word of warning.

Pruitt, since coaching in college, has worked at Alabama, Georgia, and Florida State.

Not once in his college coaching career has he had to try to hide his unit's or team's deficiencies.

He didn't even have to worry about injuries. That's how loaded the rosters were on the defensive side of the ball where he happened to be.

Just keep that in mind
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Our team is not as talented as any you mention, although we aren't that far off from Georgia.

But the cupboard is not bare at all. He has enough to work with on D. I expect an immediate huge improvement on D, particularly run D.

I am not sure how much Pruitt will help our struggling offense, and I am not 100% sold on Helton. But we will see.

Say what you want, our offense was decent when Dormady was healthy. And no, he's not coming back but JG is now experienced and will IMO be much improved next year.
 
#110
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Boston Vol said:
What makes you think that UT should beat West Virginia or South Carolina next season?
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WV is graduating a lot of experienced players. I don't follow them at all but coming off a 7-5 season they seem beatable. SC was on the verge of being beat by us last year.

I'm expecting us to improve due to our HC/staff change.

I expect better game plans that aren't so conservative that allow less talented teams to have a good shot at beating us.

Both WV and SC are less talented. I expect better play due to better preparation led by our better HC/staff.

Do you think we should lose to them? If so why?
 
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#111
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checkerboards09 said:
I’m sticking with 8-4, but 9 wins would be fantastic.
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I don't think we get to 9 wins. I am expecting 6-6 season and I think that would be good. I am just too jaded from the last time we tried moving from 4-3 to 3-4. I think it may be painful again for a year.

Just saying that talent wise, we have a shot against those teams in my opinion.
 
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#112
#112
99gator said:
C’mon man.

I don’t remember anyone on this board ever discussing the director of player personnel on someone’s staff.

Everyone can nitpick all they want, but it’s a simple point.

He’s never been on the coaching staff (and director of player personnel doesn’t count) where he had to account for a distinct talent disadvantage when compared to his opposition.

Not saying he can’t. Not saying he won’t. And more importantly, I’m not saying he won’t be able to recruit so that he doesn’t have to deal with that problem in future years.

All I am saying is that he never has been in that situation and he will be in 2018. Knowing that, it is something I would consider with regard to expectations in 2018
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The recruiting part is the one area I'm not worried about. He will recruit well here and always have a great staff of Recruiter's and Coach's. But even right now based off recruiting classes and what's coming back next season GA is the only team in the East with more talent. TN/FL are pretty much equal and the other 4 East teams will have inferior top to bottom talent. Obviously Ala, AU and LSU have more and would put A'M with Fla and TN. And none of the 4 OOC teams are close either. Like I said simply based off recruiting classes and what's returning next year. So really only 3 teams on our schedule have superior talent. Ala, AU and GA.

Obviously that isn't the lone factor in determining wins and losses. JP will have a learning curve as will the players. The 10-2 prediction is obviously absurd but 7-8 wins should easily be obtainable. Should win the 4 OOC games and have no business losing to UK or Mizzou at home nor At Vandy. Flor will be in the same situation as far as learning a new system and most likely will be playing a TR FR at QB. So I think with it being in Neyland it gives TN the Edge so that's 8 right there based off games we should win. But we know how that goes. I think Mizzou's offense takes a step back with Dooley as OC. He's never been an OC or QB Coach. Don't get the Mizzou hype talk anyway. Their 6 game win streak came against 6 teams with a losing record and none made it to a bowl. We saw what happened when they played a good D in their bowl game. Lock and the offense was completely shut down by an average Texas team. For argument's sake I will add W.Va, Fla, S.Car and Mizzou as the toss up games. We win the other 3 OC games and don't see UK or Vandy's staff out coaching JP's staff. 2-2 at the absolute worse in those 4 game but 3-1 is definitely possible. 7 wins should be the floor and probably 8 as the ceiling. This 4-5 win talk I've seen is as crazy as the 10 win talk. And this is taking the biast out of it. If we had even a half a$$ competent coach this last year we win 7-8. Even with the injuries, deficiency's and incompetence we were 3 plays from being 7-5 and most likely beat Vandy with there being something to play for. TN isn't as talentless as some fans make them out to be nor is it a 4-5 win team. Just like Fla isn't a 4 win team with the talent they have. For both teams it was more the coaching turmoil, lack of player development by the old staff and injuries and suspension's. I haven't seen Florida's schedule but I would assume y'all are in a similar situation. Maybe 3 teams at the very most on the schedule have more top to bottom talent. I know y'all play FSU, LSU and GA and they have the better overall roster.No idea who your other OOC games are or other West Division game is.
 
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#113
8-4 seems reasonable. Georgia, Bama, and auburn are too good for us right now. Georgia would be more winnable since they lose so much but it's also there. We lose one of South Carolina, Missouri, or west Virginia, maybe two. Should beat Kentucky, vandy, Florida, but we'll see. Easy wins over Charlotte, ETSU, and Utep.
 
#114
#114
I wouldn't be worried about the switch to the 3-4, last time we weren't talented, plus it was Suneri, not the guy the has had a top 5 defense almost every year.
 
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#115
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Iam4utalways said:
WV is graduating a lot of experienced players. I don't follow them at all but coming off a 7-5 season they seem beatable.
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They return 16 starters next season including arguably the best QB/WR combo in America. Not saying Tennessee can’t win, but it would definitely be viewed as an upset.
 
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Boston Vol said:
What makes you think that UT should beat West Virginia or South Carolina next season?
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I think we probably lose at SC but have no business losing to W.Va. W.Va beat 1 ranked team and that was Home vs Iowa St the week after Iowa St upset TCU. They are a 7-8 win tops Big 12 team that don't play defense. Throw in their last 4 recruiting classes who were ranked 57th in '17, 39th in '16, 35th in '15 and 39th in '14. The talent comparison isn't even close based off that. Outside of Iowa St they lost the games against good or decent opponent's. Grier did miss the Utah game they may have won that one. He didn't play vs Oklahoma but they weren't gonna beat OU with him and missed some of the Texas game but they weren't beat Texas with him either. Then lost with Grier against the better teams on their schedule. They are at best an average Big 12 team with a good QB and a couple receivers. Atleast on paper we have no business losing to W.Va.
 
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Boston Vol said:
They return 16 starters next season including arguably the best QB/WR combo in America. Not saying Tennessee can’t win, but it would definitely be viewed as an upset.
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They will definitely get their yards and points. But they also play no defense in the Big 12 and we should be a much more physical team on defense next year. W.Va didn't put up the points against the better Big 12 Defense's if that's even such a thing. They struggle a little more vs physicality. It's potentially a good match up for us. And even better for us it's the first game of the year and Offense's typically aren't as in Sync as they would be game 2.
 
#119
#119
Hawkeye4588 said:
I have a serious question because I do think next year is going to be rough. Too many holes to fill. If we only have a 4 or 5 win season are people going to start griping or does everyone have a pretty realistic view of where we are at right now?
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People will start griping if we win 6-8, so you can forget about 4-5. Although I do believe if he can’t win more than 4-5 he may not be the man for the job. 6-8 is a realistic uptick though. Some people seem to forget we just had 0 conference wins and our worst season in history.

Some of that do to coaching, some of that due to lack of talent and depth. Talent and depth will still be an issue when playing power teams next year, especially depth. If we have many injuries, which you can’t really help, then it could be another long season. 2018 should be better but 2019 will really tell the truth about the new staff. I’m optimistic but realistic.
 
#120
#120
Boston Vol said:
What makes you think that UT should beat West Virginia or South Carolina next season?
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South Carolina will be a hard fought game. That one goes either way. But yes we should beat WV. They are not what they are being hyped to be. If we have any kind of offense we win that game.

Some of you seem to forget our defense flashed at times early in games. I expect it to be much, much improved. But considering our offense was non existent of course our defense gave up lots of points after being on the field continually. I think our D will surprise next year. The offense does concern me though.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
People will start griping if we win 6-8, so you can forget about 4-5. Although I do believe if he can’t win more than 4-5 he may not be the man for the job. 6-8 is a realistic uptick though. Some people seem to forget we just had 0 conference wins and our worst season in history.

Some of that do to coaching, some of that due to lack of talent and depth. Talent and depth will still be an issue when playing power teams next year, especially depth. If we have many injuries, which you can’t really help, then it could be another long season. 2018 should be better but 2019 will really tell the truth about the new staff. I’m optimistic but realistic.
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An unfortunately large segment of our fan base forgets everything immediately and expects at least 10 wins no matter what.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Sept. 1 vs. West Virginia (Charlotte, N.C.)

W 16 -10 Defense shines early, offense not so much.

Sept. 8 ETSU

W 48 - 12 Defense shows up again, weak ETSU
defense makes Ut offense look good.

Sept. 15 UTEP

W 38 - 22 Pruitt put subs in too soon.

Sept. 22 Florida

W 19 - 10 Pride on both struggling teams.

Sept. 29 at Georgia

L 38 - 16 Defense on the field too often.

Oct. 13 at Auburn

L 28 -14 Offense continues to lag behind defense
development.

Oct. 20 Alabama

W 19 -10 A shocking event. Offensive Line begins to assert itself. Backs and receivers show up in the 4th quarter.

Oct. 27 at South Carolina

W 46-26 Offense primed and confident. Pruitt inserts subs again too soon.

Nov. 3 Charlotte

W 49 - 10 Subs play a significant amount of time.

Nov. 10 Kentucky

W 50 - 10 Order of universe returns to form. But for three quarters Wildcats make it a game. Pruitt doesn’t sub this time.

Nov. 17 Missouri

W 54 - 26 Dooley hate is strong. Pruitt understands this and lets the beasts loose.

Nov. 24 at Vanderbilt

W 30 - 20 Revenge game, lots of penalties, lots of highlight plays. This is going to be a heck of a game fueled by pride, intra-state hatred, and lots of Vols fury. There will be bigger names in games in 2018 but this one has highlight championship all over it.
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How do the wildcats make it a game for 3 quarters but we win 50-10? Dang
 
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