2018 NBA Off-season Thread

#926
#926
BTW I feel like Jimmy and Wade are just clowning, but my money would be on Jimmy...as long as Nene isn't around.
 
#927
#927
Okay...so Zion has looked shockingly good so far. I never doubted the athleticism, but the handles, rebounding, and shooting has impressed me.
 
#928
#928
Looks like Ginobili is mulling retirement. Is he the greatest foreign guard in history? I know Steve Nash won MVP's, but Ginobili had a longer prime, titles, Olympic gold, and his style of play made an impact on the league. Successful players like James Harden have copied Ginobili's moves. Tony Parker is in the convo too, of course, but I think Ginobili > Parker because Tony didn't shoot 3's well and he was dog **** on D. I think Manu was the hardest 1 on 1 to defend out of the three of them. Am I crazy? This list has him 3rd among them:

The 25 Best Foreign-Born Players in NBA History
 
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#929
#929
It's Manu for me and it's not close for me, 2 of them only played offense. Early in the Spurs run Parker sat the bench while Manu closed out games. And I think Nash is overrated AF. If Manu would have been a selfish guy he could have went somewhere else, been a 20+, 5 and 5 guy and been a top 10 SG of all time. IMO, JMO, FMO
 
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#935
#935
Bet you didn't read it. He makes a lot of good points:

The Jazz won 29 of their final 35 games after the trade deadline and posted a whopping plus-12 net rating during that span, a number that would have led the league by 3.5 points over the whole season. Utah also posted a 96.5 defensive rating during that time; you have to go all the way back to the Chicago Bulls and the Boston Celtics in 2011-12 to find teams that bested that mark over a full season.

Utah was the only team to beat Golden State three times last regular season and is now a drastically different offensive team with Mitchell’s scoring.

Utah’s potential ace in the hole against Golden State is Exum, finally healthy and fresh off cutting his teeth against James Harden during the Western Conference semifinals.

Joe Ingles has proved he can make life a little harder on Kevin Durant. In their past 10 head-to-head matchups, dating back to 2016, Ingles has held Durant to 20.8 points per game (roughly five points below his average as a Warrior) on lower shooting percentages across the board. Ingles won’t do this to Durant, but his complete nuking of “Playoff P” Paul George in Utah’s first-round defeat of the Thunder last season was a sight to behold.

Utah’s downsized lineup of Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder, Ricky Rubio, and Rudy Gobert can more than hang. That unit posted a plus-27.4 net rating during the regular season with an offensive rating (114.8) and defensive rating (87.4) that would rank first in the league in both categories. For what it’s worth, Golden State’s famed Hamptons Five lineup had a worse net rating (plus-8.4 regular season, plus-24.8 postseason) than Utah’s “small” lineup did last regular season.
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#938
#938
Whom among ye selected mine Jazz for playoff destiny this time one year past?
 
#940
#940
Me and Dal didn't have them in the Playoffs, Kingston had them as the 6, and the rest of you pussies didn't make predictions
 
#944
#944
I know Hakeem is a foreign player but he also played three years of high level American basketball too. He gets an asterisk
 
#947
#947
BadJerry20 said:
BTW if Drazen had not passed he might be the GOAT foreign guard.
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I think he gets overrated because he died. He was one dimensional and only a slightly better scorer (21 pp36 at .589 TS%) than Manu (19 pp36 at .582 TS%). He also died when he was 29. How many more good years did he have left? He could have played until he was 40 or he might've fallen off by 32. Who knows.
 
#948
#948
n_huffhines said:
I think he gets overrated because he died. He was one dimensional and only a slightly better scorer (21 pp36 at .589 TS%) than Manu (19 pp36 at .582 TS%). He also died when he was 29. How many more good years did he have left? He could have played until he was 40 or he might've fallen off by 32. Who knows.
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Based off guys that played similar to him 38ish is a strong possibility and he was getting better. Do you consider Ray and Reg better players than Manu? Because if you take just his starter stats in NJ, all 3 are basically identical across the board, Ray being a better rebounder, and Petro being better for 2 by a lot and from 3. And I think he would have ended just as good as those 2.
 
#949
#949
BadJerry20 said:
Based off guys that played similar to him 38ish is a strong possibility and he was getting better. Do you consider Ray and Reg better players than Manu? Because if you take just his starter stats in NJ, all 3 are basically identical across the board, Ray being a better rebounder, and Petro being better for 2 by a lot and from 3. And I think he would have ended just as good as those 2.
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I would say they are all about the same, tbh. They all played solid D and they all had better a:to ratios than Petro. Also, they all played deep into their 30's, which brought their averages down.
 
#950
#950
n_huffhines said:
I would say they are all about the same, tbh. They all played solid D and they all had better a:to ratios than Petro. Also, they all played deep into their 30's, which brought their averages down.
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Fair point. I'd argue Petro was a better shooter (Reg agrees), definitely better inside 3. Dude could flat out score. FWIW Mad Max called him the hardest guy to defend.
 
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