2017 We will lose cross-division Rivalries

#51
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ImportedVoL said:
Here is my prediction..

They have already made the decision for the 2016 season.. but for 2017 we will pretty much be forced to go to a 9 game schedule. And do away with any permanent cross-division opponents.

So here is the only way they will be able to keep the two best rivalries in CFB(IMO)


Vandy and Mizzou will be headed west.. Bama and Auburn will be coming over to the east. I just don't see any other way they can keep all the rivalries in place.. Bama/UT Bama/Auburn and UGA/Auburn.

By this time, by all indications UT will be back to being a contender at this time.

My question to everyone is this.. Do you think this will even out the divisions to where they are pretty equal as far as strength of schedule goes...

OR.. will the east take over as the harder(top) division??

AND.. Do you think this will be a good thing for UT specifically? or will this make it just an impossible task to put the Vols on top of the division again?

Will ANY team be able to dominate the east? Even the SEC's current powers? Or will this move hurt all the programs involved by making it just too hard for any team to make it through an east schedule with enough of a record to make the playoff's?
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This sounds like a wet dream for LSU: having bamer, Aub, UGA, UT, FL and USCe in the East. Pity the poor UK team in the SEC East as well.
 
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Is this a trick question? Bama and auburn to the eastern conference? That would be a joke--the east would be stacked and the west would have nobody but lsu. No chance of happening. I would hate to lose bama--but it has been a disadvantage to us, generally, I think because the east with florida and georgia is already pretty tough. With bama on the schedule yearly we're playing 3 Top Ten national teams every year, just for starters. That's tough.
 
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RedskinVol1 said:
Nothing wrong with the eight game schedule.If the UT/UA game is gone it would only help Tennessee.Tradition is a great thing but being fair to all universities is a better idea.I want to see Tennessee on top sooner rather than later and having Miss st and Arkansas more often instead of say Alabama and Texas AM gets us there quicker.Go Vols and HTTR!!
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Somebody gets it.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
This could be a possibility.. The only thing is, is we barely kept the rivalries in this last vote.. was very very close to going the other way from what I understand thanks to schools like LSU, Mizzou, A&m.. the Miss scools because they really have no rivals so therefor it makes no sense to make them participate all for the sake of essentially 3 schools out of 12.

But I do know for a fact that the commish and the powers behind the SEC network desperately want to keep these rivalries alive as it makes for great television. So therefor equals money for every school in the conference..

and money makes the world go round...
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The last vote was 10-4...that's not really a barely


And if they want to keep the rivalries alive, they won't demolish them (the cross-rivalries) to begin with.
 
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#57
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ImportedVoL said:
Here is my prediction..

They have already made the decision for the 2016 season.. but for 2017 we will pretty much be forced to go to a 9 game schedule. And do away with any permanent cross-division opponents.

So here is the only way they will be able to keep the two best rivalries in CFB(IMO)

Vandy and Mizzou will be headed west.. Bama and Auburn will be coming over to the east. I just don't see any other way they can keep all the rivalries in place.. Bama/UT Bama/Auburn and UGA/Auburn.

By this time, by all indications UT will be back to being a contender at this time.

My question to everyone is this.. Do you think this will even out the divisions to where they are pretty equal as far as strength of schedule goes...

OR.. will the east take over as the harder(top) division??

AND.. Do you think this will be a good thing for UT specifically? or will this make it just an impossible task to put the Vols on top of the division again?

Will ANY team be able to dominate the east? Even the SEC's current powers? Or will this move hurt all the programs involved by making it just too hard for any team to make it through an east schedule with enough of a record to make the playoff's?
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No, that's not what will happen...remotely.
 
#58
#58
There won't be any changes for a few years until we pick up two more teams (VT & OK/Carolina team).

Then we can do something like this:

SEC North:

Team Rival a: Rival b:
UK: MissSt; USCe
UT: Ark; AL
VY: Mizzou; OMiss
VT: USCe; FL

SEC East:

Aub: AL; aTM
UF: LSU; VT
UG: OK, Mizzou
USCe: VT; UK

SEC South

AL: Aub; TN
LSU: UF; ARK
Ole Miss: aTm; VY
MissSt: UK; OK

SEC West

ARK: UT; LSU
Mizzou: Vandy; GA
OK: GA; Miss St
aTm: Ole Miss; Aub

Three games within division, two rivals, and four rotational games for the other 10 teams. I tried to keep teams from playing two rival teams in same conference but a few times the exception was made.

Probably would be easier with a Carolina team instead of OK.
 
#59
#59
99gator said:
yeah, but you are adding a game.

the threat came from adding schools to the league, but not adding league games.

with the addition of mizzou and a&m, everyone added a divisional game and lost a game from the other division.

that was the problem.

adding an extra game fixes that.
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Bingo.
 
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#61
Soon the SEC should add two more teams. They could then make 4 divisions of 4 teams. Each division winner would make the SEC football playoff with the eventual winner making the National playoff. If all other conferences did this there would be a pretty good playoff system. Add Virginia Tech and Virginia or some other team toward D.C. for the TV market.

SEC North.
Mizzou.
Kentucky
Vandy
Tennessee


SEC East
Virginia
Georgia
South Carolina
Virginia Tech


SEC West
LSU
T A&M
Arkansas
Mississippi State

SEC South
Bama
Miss
Auburn
Florida
 
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orangefloyd said:
Somebody gets it.
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I am sorry.. I don't see how dropping a hundred year rivalry cause we are scared to get our but whooped every year is "getting it".

That is called cowardice, plain and simple..

it is sad anyone would think this is a good idea... your basically admitting we are not good enough to hang.

Winning 10 games would mean absolutely nothing to me if they were all against cupcakes. It would just be a number next to the team name and nothing more.

If it was up to me.. and I would bet anyone else who actually played the game. We would play the top 12 teams in the country every year. Anyone who has any confidence in their self wants to play against the best.

That is one of the attractive things about playing at UT.. you play in the best conference against the best players year in and year out.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
So that would shake out to the following...

SEC East
Alabama
Tennessee
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
South Carolina
Kentucky

SEC West
LSU
Texas A&M
Missouri
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Miss. State
Vanderbilt

This is great in theory, but in practice (IMHO) the east would be ridiculously stacked. You'd have LSU, TAMU, and Mizzou as your only perennial SEC contenders from the west and 5-6 contenders from the east.
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When did Mizzou become a perennial power in any conference ?
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Here is my prediction..

They have already made the decision for the 2016 season.. but for 2017 we will pretty much be forced to go to a 9 game schedule. And do away with any permanent cross-division opponents.

So here is the only way they will be able to keep the two best rivalries in CFB(IMO)

Vandy and Mizzou will be headed west.. Bama and Auburn will be coming over to the east. I just don't see any other way they can keep all the rivalries in place.. Bama/UT Bama/Auburn and UGA/Auburn.

By this time, by all indications UT will be back to being a contender at this time.

My question to everyone is this.. Do you think this will even out the divisions to where they are pretty equal as far as strength of schedule goes...

OR.. will the east take over as the harder(top) division??

AND.. Do you think this will be a good thing for UT specifically? or will this make it just an impossible task to put the Vols on top of the division again?

Will ANY team be able to dominate the east? Even the SEC's current powers? Or will this move hurt all the programs involved by making it just too hard for any team to make it through an east schedule with enough of a record to make the playoff's?
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Here is my prediction: After things get settled with the 14 team S.E.C., we will add 2 more teams to the S.E.C.

This will give us 16 teams in the conference and 4 sub divisions of 4 teams each. S.E.C. East will have 8 teams divided in to two sub divisions and the West will also have the same thing.


Who will those teams be?

Well, we could have logically added Clemson, FSU, Louisville or SOuthern MIss to the conference the last time around but we didn't.

South Carolina, Kentucky, Florida & Mississippi all have an S.E.C. footprint in their state already.

So, the place to go to to where we can add more money from the t.v. contracts. IF we added any of the above mentioned schools then that would not add any more viewers to the network.

SO, we go to the HOuston & the St. Louis t.v. market to add teams, thus giving our conference more t.v. money.

Well, the next two teams that will be added to the S.E.C. will come from a big t.v. market. D.C. area, N.Y. area or California area or Houston area.

Virginia, Syracuse, UCLA, or Houston, RIce, etc. etc.



Why would you want to get $100,000,000 from t.v. revenue and divide by 14 teams then add a 15th and 16th team and now divide $100,000,000 by 16 teams.
You would lose money.....

In order to add the other 2 teams, we would need more revenue....
 
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#66
JohnnyBall said:
Obviously the SEC isn't going to 9 games.
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Not yet. They'll have to some years down the road, but it's going to be more than 3.

Also, they won't move to 9 games and at the same time choose to drop the cross-rivals; it wouldn't make any sense.
 
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#68
I don't understand why tn fans are against dropping bama as a permanent opponent. Like it or not they are the no.1 team (year in/year out) right now. I'd prefer to meet them in the seccg
 
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ImportedVoL said:
So from this answer I am assuming you are saying it would make the east waaayyyy stronger then the west.. even though they still have.. LSU.. A&M.. mizzou who are all excellent programs.. it also looks as if perennial doormats like Ole miss and miss st are building up to be much stronger programs then they have been lately.

as far as the 9 game thing goes.. I just don't see how long we can resist the rest of the country on this.. we have already heard some pretty heated comments from coaches from other conferences condemning the current decision.

All that is needed now is for the selection committee to come out and say that this will factor into their decisions. And the SEC will have no choice but to cave on the 8 game schedule.
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No. I disagree. If teams will play one out of conference game like the VOLS have the past several years. Remember Oregon??? We have Oklahoma this year. In my opinion that gives the "selection committee" as you call them, I would use other words to refer to them....but that gives them a quality out of conference opponent to gauge the teams performance against. The scheduling is up to each school. Therefore if bama schedules Southern Oregon University School for the Blind as there toughest out of conference opponent and the VOLS are playing Oklahoma, Oregon, Clemson, Virginia or Virginia tech, then that will be seen as a positive. This is kind of obvious to me, am I alone in this thinking processs?? GO VOLS!!!!:rock:
Plus most importantly, other conferences are not powerhouse conferences like the sec. They don't play the same competition week in and week out like sec teams do. MY:twocents: Take it for what it's worth but, I have several VOL fan "family & friends" that agree.
:machgun:Bama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, vandy, Kentucky HA!!
 
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RedskinVol1 said:
Nothing wrong with the eight game schedule.If the UT/UA game is gone it would only help Tennessee.Tradition is a great thing but being fair to all universities is a better idea.I want to see Tennessee on top sooner rather than later and having Miss st and Arkansas more often instead of say Alabama and Texas AM gets us there quicker.Go Vols and HTTR!!
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Maybe we should leave the SEC for the Ohio Valley Conference? That would give a 10 win season.
 
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SouthFlorida_Vol said:
Soon the SEC should add two more teams. They could then make 4 divisions of 4 teams. Each division winner would make the SEC football playoff with the eventual winner making the National playoff. If all other conferences did this there would be a pretty good playoff system. Add Virginia Tech and Virginia or some other team toward D.C. for the TV market.

SEC North.
Mizzou.
Kentucky
Vandy
Tennessee


SEC East
Virginia
Georgia
South Carolina
Virginia Tech


SEC West
LSU
T A&M
Arkansas
Mississippi State

SEC South
Bama
Miss
Auburn
Florida
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I doubt that UVA would ever come to the SEC. They think that they are holier than Vandy when it comes to academics and the SEC is beneath them.
 
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#73
onevol74 said:
Maybe we should leave the SEC for the Ohio Valley Conference? That would give a 10 win season.
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That's what I am screaming... these guys sound so scared when they say this stuff.

If you just want to see a nice number next to our name, we need to drop out of the SEC completely and go hide in our little corner and hope no one comes to beat us up..

I just can't believe there are so many willing to tuck their tales between their legs and run away from the second oldest rivalry out there..

Not to mention how well Bama would be able to negative recruit us even more if we dropped them..


"You really want to go to a school that is too scared to even play us"?

Cmon guys.. grow some bawls
 
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chattavol420 said:
I don't understand why tn fans are against dropping bama as a permanent opponent. Like it or not they are the no.1 team (year in/year out) right now. I'd prefer to meet them in the seccg
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Did you ever get a chance to grow up watching us play bama with grandad...and listen to him tell you about the rivalry and history of that game?
 
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