2017: The 5 dumb things Volnation will continually write

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Was gonna stay away til August, but a convo yesterday with a fellow vol fan and I couldn't believe the crap he was saying... so it pulled me back in.

For all the reasons below, I am making the prediction that a lot of this board's mind will explode when Phil Steele will have UT as a top 12 team when it runs its algorithms for next year.

1. "121 is an 8 win team at best" Ha.... Littered with 4 and 5 stars with a ton of experience returning on both lines, a proven 6.5 yd/carry RB, proven receivers... Every team in the East would trade their roster for a healthy UT roster today if they had the chance.

2. "Jones' olines always underachieve... Don't expect much next year" After 2 record setting offensive years, 2 running backs averaging 5-7 yrds/carry (despite many injuries), and the SEC's PASSING TD leader in Dobbs... you would think this narrative would die. Oh, forgot to mention that next year almost everyone returns on the deepest Oline in the SEC (that isn't bamas). Sure, they had a couple mediocre games... and all 5 starters were out vs bama, so we won't count that one. But whose oline do you want next year besides bamas? Not UF, Not UGA, not USC, not LSU, not Vandy, not UK, not A&M (lose both tackles)... UT's oline outperformed all these teams and/or they return more starters.

3. "KMAC, Kongbo, Phillips, and/or Tuttle are busts"
Same people who thought Malone was a bust, and O'brien was a bust, Richmond is a bust, etc... And just because UT had 2 DE's (Vareen and Barnett) that were too good to come off the field, doesn't mean that the guys behind them aren't going to be stars. It's actually how things should be. Don't be surprised if all of them end up on an all-sec team at the end of the year.

4. "121 is a huge talent drop-off" Barnett was special. But JRM and Sutton played a total of 2 healthy games, Malone is a bust :p, and JK didn't look like a huge drop off from Kamara this year. Every position group except RB, DE and QB will be as talented and more experienced next year when you take Sutton and JRM injuries into the equation. The same people who are saying this are the ones who stargaze all the time, but love to assume people are busts when they aren't all americans as freshmen.

5. "Mike Deboard, Stripland, Azzani, and Mahoney are terrible and we can't win with them" Again... record setting offense. And a Dlineman who broke Reggie White's record... Despite the most adversity anyone on this board has ever seen from injuries.

Now here are a couple true statements you will hear :

1. Dobbs will be missed. Hell ya he will... But consistency of the passing game could take a step forward with a qb who is more of a timing thrower.

2. The DBs x, y, z, a, b, c... Fill in the blanks. It really was the thing I was most disappointed with all season. These guys weren't getting "beat" per se. They weren't lacking athletically to keep up.... They just never look back for the GB ball. This is coming from a very glass half full vol. It is unacceptable how many times DBs would be stride for stride with the receivers and just not look for the ball to make a play.

Go Vols. Glad to get a Bowl win where all position groups played well. I have a feeling we have the right combination of confidence and a chip on our shoulder going into this offseason. If we get healthy the East is there for the taking next year.
 
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If next year ends up being 7-5 or 6-6, all you will hear from a certain faction of the fans is rebuilding year pointing to all the talent we lost and what an amazing job Jones did just to get us to those 6 or 7 wins.
 
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Going out on limb(get the saw ready) by saying the Vols may be better than most think. Now that the dust has settled there just might be some new coaching hires before NSD.:dunno:
 
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Where to start:

1. List the 4* and 5* players on the roster for next year, not freshman commits.

2. The reason the offense looked as good as it did, is because Josh Dobbs was able to run out of busted plays. If you take away his ability to scramble, the dismal Oline performance, and yes, it was dismal, is even worse.

3. Kongbo has potential, I'll agree, but also looks like he has some 'diva' issues that are probably not going to play out well next year. Shy Tuttle will probably never play at an elite level after the injuries he has sustained. Phillips hasn't proven anything yet other than being a middle of the pack DL. McKenzie can't seem to stay healthy long enough to contribute.

4. You are seriously stretching with this one. The amount of experience alone we are losing is enough to be a drop off, but Dobbs and Kamara are the majority of this offensive production, and Derek Barnett is the only player on this defense that any team had to consistently worry about. Pure orange delusion if you can't acknowledge the talent drop from 2016-2017 starters.

5. Mike Debord/Butch's offense is tired, and predictable, and without a Josh Dobbs to bail out the busted plays, it's going to be painful to watch next year. Azzani isn't a terrible coach, but he isn't a good coach, and elite receivers are not coming to UT while he is here, which is evidenced by our WR recruiting. Mahoney, lol, how anyone can still defend him is tantamount to insanity. He wouldn't even be coaching at the high school level if it weren't for Butch Jones.
 
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I get what you're saying and definitely got to let season play out. But losing Dobbs, Kamara, Barnett and Malone is a huge deal. Georgia will have the best roster imo in the east. Can we beat them sure and being at home will help. I'm not conceding it but gotta prove it.
 
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We aren't littered with 5*s for starters. The scariest aspect of it though is what little promise we've seen out of the 5*s we do have.
 
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1) Thing is FOR SURE...The VOLS WILL BE the VIRTUAL, on-paper, in the minds of many, and...the VOLS have The BEST Staff in America...bar-NONE, SEC East & SEC Champions with an appearance to WIN IT ALL...after a Heisman is awarded to Quinton Dormandy.

2) Then the Season starts and REAL games are played...7-5.
 
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TAF said:
1) Thing is FOR SURE...The VOLS WILL BE the VIRTUAL, on-paper, in the minds of many, and...the VOLS have The BEST Staff in America...bar-NONE, SEC East & SEC Champions with an appearance to WIN IT ALL...after a Heisman is awarded to Quinton Dormandy.

2) Then the Season starts and REAL games are played...7-5.
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This post is only funny if this bolded piece was done purposefully. For the sake of wanting to laugh, I'm going to say it was.
 
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The 5 dumb things mediocre volnation will write in 2017:

1. The nega fans are to blame for everything wrong in the program. (Never the HC fault)

2. Baaa baa

3. CBJ is 3-0 in bowls. (2-2 vs Vandy, 0-3 vs Muschamp)

4. Baa baa ba

5. At least he ain't Dooley (Dooley is the measuring stick)
 
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BeardedVol said:
Where to start:

1. List the 4* and 5* players on the roster for next year, not freshman commits.

2. The reason the offense looked as good as it did, is because Josh Dobbs was able to run out of busted plays. If you take away his ability to scramble, the dismal Oline performance, and yes, it was dismal, is even worse.

3. Kongbo has potential, I'll agree, but also looks like he has some 'diva' issues that are probably not going to play out well next year. Shy Tuttle will probably never play at an elite level after the injuries he has sustained. Phillips hasn't proven anything yet other than being a middle of the pack DL. McKenzie can't seem to stay healthy long enough to contribute.

4. You are seriously stretching with this one. The amount of experience alone we are losing is enough to be a drop off, but Dobbs and Kamara are the majority of this offensive production, and Derek Barnett is the only player on this defense that any team had to consistently worry about. Pure orange delusion if you can't acknowledge the talent drop from 2016-2017 starters.

5. Mike Debord/Butch's offense is tired, and predictable, and without a Josh Dobbs to bail out the busted plays, it's going to be painful to watch next year. Azzani isn't a terrible coach, but he isn't a good coach, and elite receivers are not coming to UT while he is here, which is evidenced by our WR recruiting. Mahoney, lol, how anyone can still defend him is tantamount to insanity. He wouldn't even be coaching at the high school level if it weren't for Butch Jones.
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Everything I wanted to write but was too lazy to do it.
 
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Malone and the entire receiving corps were never busts. Tennessee doesn't throw to the WR's enough and they throw to many dink and dunk passes.

Malone, Jennings, et al, make Joey Kent, Marcus Nash and the guys Manning used to throw to look like scrubs.

The BIG problem in defending Tennessee is what Dobbs can do with his feet. There is a lot of stuff Tennessee has done over the last few years that ain't exactly how you draw it up on a chalkboard.

So, yes, unless the new starter has the same kind of mobility, that's going to be a big time adjustment.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Where to start:

1. List the 4* and 5* players on the roster for next year, not freshman commits.

2. The reason the offense looked as good as it did, is because Josh Dobbs was able to run out of busted plays. If you take away his ability to scramble, the dismal Oline performance, and yes, it was dismal, is even worse.

3. Kongbo has potential, I'll agree, but also looks like he has some 'diva' issues that are probably not going to play out well next year. Shy Tuttle will probably never play at an elite level after the injuries he has sustained. Phillips hasn't proven anything yet other than being a middle of the pack DL. McKenzie can't seem to stay healthy long enough to contribute.

4. You are seriously stretching with this one. The amount of experience alone we are losing is enough to be a drop off, but Dobbs and Kamara are the majority of this offensive production, and Derek Barnett is the only player on this defense that any team had to consistently worry about. Pure orange delusion if you can't acknowledge the talent drop from 2016-2017 starters.

5. Mike Debord/Butch's offense is tired, and predictable, and without a Josh Dobbs to bail out the busted plays, it's going to be painful to watch next year. Azzani isn't a terrible coach, but he isn't a good coach, and elite receivers are not coming to UT while he is here, which is evidenced by our WR recruiting. Mahoney, lol, how anyone can still defend him is tantamount to insanity. He wouldn't even be coaching at the high school level if it weren't for Butch Jones.
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Thanks for responding to this drivel.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Where to start:

1. List the 4* and 5* players on the roster for next year, not freshman commits.

2. The reason the offense looked as good as it did, is because Josh Dobbs was able to run out of busted plays. If you take away his ability to scramble, the dismal Oline performance, and yes, it was dismal, is even worse.

3. Kongbo has potential, I'll agree, but also looks like he has some 'diva' issues that are probably not going to play out well next year. Shy Tuttle will probably never play at an elite level after the injuries he has sustained. Phillips hasn't proven anything yet other than being a middle of the pack DL. McKenzie can't seem to stay healthy long enough to contribute.

4. You are seriously stretching with this one. The amount of experience alone we are losing is enough to be a drop off, but Dobbs and Kamara are the majority of this offensive production, and Derek Barnett is the only player on this defense that any team had to consistently worry about. Pure orange delusion if you can't acknowledge the talent drop from 2016-2017 starters.

5. Mike Debord/Butch's offense is tired, and predictable, and without a Josh Dobbs to bail out the busted plays, it's going to be painful to watch next year. Azzani isn't a terrible coach, but he isn't a good coach, and elite receivers are not coming to UT while he is here, which is evidenced by our WR recruiting. Mahoney, lol, how anyone can still defend him is tantamount to insanity. He wouldn't even be coaching at the high school level if it weren't for Butch Jones.
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I don't know if some of y'all are just ignorant or if you're just so blinded with the fact that you want Butch Jones fired and are dedicated to seeing this team fail that you fail to see the obvious:

QB: Quentin Dormady 4*, Sheraton Jones 4*, Jarrett Guarantano 4*
RB: CFA 4*
WR: Juaun Jennings 4*, Marquez Callaway 4*, Tyler Byrd 4*
TE: None
OL: Venzell Boulware 4*, Jack Jones 4*, Drew Richmond 5*, Jason Robertson 4*, Ryan Johnson 4*
DL: Kyle Phillips 5*, Johnathon Kongbo 5*, KMac 5*, Tuttle 4*, Andrew Butcher 4*, Derelle Taylor 4*, Alexis Johnson 4*
LB: Cortez McDowell 4*, Dillon Bates 4*, Quarte Sapp 4*, DKJ 4*, JaQuain Blakey 4*, Daniel Bituli 4*
DB: Justin Martin 4*, Marquill Osbourne 4*, Micah Abernathy 4*, Nigel Warrior 4*, TKJr 4*, Evan Berry 4*, Rahsaan Gaulden 4*

By my count that's 32 4*-5* players currently on the roster, most have played significant roles and several have contributed in some way. We have the talent all around to easily stay at 8-4 or be better next season. OL will be strong with tons of experience returning, we have a solid RB returning next year with a solid 2nd option coming in, our defense will be significantly improved in Shoops second season with him being able to implement more. We will ride and die by QB play. If we have solid QB play we could have a 10+ win season, mediocre QB play we are looking at 8 wins again but our roster is more than set up for more success.
 
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volfanbill said:
This post is only funny if this bolded piece was done purposefully. For the sake of wanting to laugh, I'm going to say it was.
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Smokey'sHandler said:
I don't know if some of y'all are just ignorant or if you're just so blinded with the fact that you want Butch Jones fired and are dedicated to seeing this team fail that you fail to see the obvious:

QB: Quentin Dormady 4*, Sheraton Jones 4*, Jarrett Guarantano 4*
RB: CFA 4*
WR: Juaun Jennings 4*, Marquez Callaway 4*, Tyler Byrd 4*
TE: None
OL: Venzell Boulware 4*, Jack Jones 4*, Drew Richmond 5*, Jason Robertson 4*, Ryan Johnson 4*
DL: Kyle Phillips 5*, Johnathon Kongbo 5*, KMac 5*, Tuttle 4*, Andrew Butcher 4*, Derelle Taylor 4*, Alexis Johnson 4*
LB: Cortez McDowell 4*, Dillon Bates 4*, Quarte Sapp 4*, DKJ 4*, JaQuain Blakey 4*, Daniel Bituli 4*
DB: Justin Martin 4*, Marquill Osbourne 4*, Micah Abernathy 4*, Nigel Warrior 4*, TKJr 4*, Evan Berry 4*, Rahsaan Gaulden 4*

By my count that's 32 4*-5* players currently on the roster, most have played significant roles and several have contributed in some way. We have the talent all around to easily stay at 8-4 or be better next season. OL will be strong with tons of experience returning, we have a solid RB returning next year with a solid 2nd option coming in, our defense will be significantly improved in Shoops second season with him being able to implement more. We will ride and die by QB play. If we have solid QB play we could have a 10+ win season, mediocre QB play we are looking at 8 wins again but our roster is more than set up for more success.
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You just made the argument that a coach with 32 4 or 5 star players by your count can be expected to be able to maintain an 8-4 record. Maybe better if his new QB can bail them out of bad plays as Dobbs did with his athleticism the past 4 seasons.

And you're the one calling people ignorant?
 
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