2016 Vols commit Darel Middleton disappears?

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Bad attitudes are rarely fixed. Bipolar is routinely treated. Treated easily, no, not at all, but still treated.
 
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Weezer said:
If that translates into "damn, he could be right", then you're welcome.

FTR, I'm not saying I'm right. I am saying you, and others, are wrong to assume you're right. If 2-3 years from now it comes out this kid does have BPD, or some other issue, then you and your friends will hopefully think back and realize you were wrong to judge. If it is a simple bad attitude and/or laziness, then he's unlikely to find success, and you can be happy you were right.

If it's something more, hopefully he finds out, receives help, and does something with his life.
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I've read this debate and read what's going on. Darel is just an egomanic kid who thinks he's better than Powell. He throws friggin temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way. You're not correct at all in this debate, and you're trying to use mental illness for a excuse for bad behavior. It's still inexcusable even if you have mental illness. Either way he will be unfit to be a vol.
 
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jps2194 said:
Where did I say football was more important than this kid. I have zero tone when it relates to Darel, my tone was related to you. I wanted nothing for the best for Darel, but it wasn't to be. Go read ALL of my posts before you make a stupid comment and accuse me of having a tone. Just think what you are saying - if Darel is successful Powell is successful. Of course I wanted that, who wouldn't. But, after two years of seeing example after example, I'm done hoping he will turn it around. I wish him the best and hope he turns it around, but I'm not wasting any more mental energy on it.

And NO, I do not wish you are right. That is completely ludicrous. Fixing a bad attitude is way easier than dealing with bipolar. You, of all people, should know that. SMH.
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You have no tone, but with your own words, now write this kid off. Now that he's no longer on your team, you're "done hoping he will turn it around." Then of course you counter yourself with your next statement.

You've made my point for me. I see no need in continuing the discussion.
 
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RockVol said:
Even though he may have an attitude, he has been said to be a potential 5* and #1 player in the state for his class, regardless of the problems, you still take his commitment and see if you can get his attitude straitened out within the next 2 years
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The commitment has been accepted based on an offer by UT; however, as I said months ago, he will never see the field as a Vol IMO. In all my years in education, I discovered that a change in an attitude this bad is very, very rare. We are talking about a kid that tweeted about his desire to play at Fulton while his teammates played without him due to suspension.
 
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Burger said:
I've read this debate and read what's going on. Darel is just an egomanic kid who thinks he's better than Powell. He throws friggin temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way. You're not correct at all in this debate, and you're trying to use mental illness for a excuse for bad behavior. It's still inexcusable even if you have mental illness. Either way he will be unfit to be a vol.
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Okay chief, I'll take your word for it. Good to know how easily some fans can write a kid off. Easier to kick 'em to the curb than it is to hold out a helping hand, even if the helping hand gets slapped away.

Whether or not he's ever a Vol is irrelevant. The fact that he's a kid whose life can still be changed is not.
 
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Weezer said:
You have no tone, but with your own words, now write this kid off. Now that he's no longer on your team, you're "done hoping he will turn it around." Then of course you counter yourself with your next statement.

You've made my point for me. I see no need in continuing the discussion.
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Yes I write him off for Powell, not life. But twist my words if you want. You need to give up. Mental illness is not his problem but you can hang your hat on that if you want.
 
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peerless98 said:
If the parents show up
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So paint the picture clearly for me, you're an educator at Powell HS and know factually this kid is just a bad seed and his parents aren't showing up for parental conferences? Is this correct? If not, please, explain what it is you actually know as fact.
 
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jps2194 said:
Yes I write him off for Powell, not life. But twist my words if you want. You need to give up. Mental illness is not his problem but you can hang your hat on that if you want.
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Your words speak for themselves. No need for me to twist them.
 
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Weezer said:
So paint the picture clearly for me, you're an educator at Powell HS and know factually this kid is just a bad seed and his parents aren't showing up for parental conferences? Is this correct? If not, please, explain what it is you actually know as fact.
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You might want to go back and read the post I replied to before you interrogate me. What I actually know as fact is that parents often do not show up for conferences. Period, end of story.
 
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TennesseeThumper said:
Really? Is it that difficult to understand? :jpshakehead:

When there are discipline issues at the high school level there are parental conferences that take place.
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And your point is? You haven't said whether or not these took place.
 
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Weezer said:
Okay chief, I'll take your word for it. Good to know how easily some fans can write a kid off. Easier to kick 'em to the curb than it is to hold out a helping hand, even if the helping hand gets slapped away.

Whether or not he's ever a Vol is irrelevant. The fact that he's a kid whose life can still be changed is not.
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You can't help somebody who is refusing to help himself. Powell tried to help him many times.
 
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Burger said:
You can't help somebody who is refusing to help himself. Powell tried to help him many times.
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Teenagers are notoriously hard to help. Fortunately, they're minors, so you can still force help upon them. All kinds of services to help with this. You can't make that help stick, but you can at least put forth as much effort as humanly possible. The people who need to be addressed are the parents. They have to take the steps. Hopefully someone gives 'em a push to do so.
 
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Burger said:
You can't help somebody who is refusing to help himself. Powell tried to help him many times.
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How so? What did they do to help? And what exactly was the problem to begin with? So far I haven't seen anything other than 'bad attitude' and 'lazy' and while that might sound like all there needs to be said to you. It really doesn't make any sense to someone outside of the Powell community. It's like we're all supposed to just know and nod our heads and maybe we would if we were from Powell but we're not.

Kids have bad attitudes all the time and plenty of kids are judged as 'lazy' by adults. They even get into trouble, mouth off, and throw fits. That's pretty normal teen behavior. What makes him so special? Or rather why is his case so bad?
 
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UTProf said:
How so? What did they do to help? And what exactly was the problem to begin with? So far I haven't seen anything other than 'bad attitude' and 'lazy' and while that might sound like all there needs to be said to you. It really doesn't make any sense to someone outside of the Powell community. It's like we're all supposed to just know and nod our heads and maybe we would if we were from Powell but we're not.

Kids have bad attitudes all the time and plenty of kids are judged as 'lazy' by adults. They even get into trouble, mouth off, and throw fits. That's pretty normal teen behavior. What makes him so special? Or rather why is his case so bad?
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This might help a little:

Edit:can't get link to post. Simply google it (247 sports).
 
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UTProf said:
How so? What did they do to help? And what exactly was the problem to begin with? So far I haven't seen anything other than 'bad attitude' and 'lazy' and while that might sound like all there needs to be said to you. It really doesn't make any sense to someone outside of the Powell community. It's like we're all supposed to just know and nod our heads and maybe we would if we were from Powell but we're not.

Kids have bad attitudes all the time and plenty of kids are judged as 'lazy' by adults. They even get into trouble, mouth off, and throw fits. That's pretty normal teen behavior. What makes him so special? Or rather why is his case so bad?
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Again, there are numerous examples in the recruiting thread.
 
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jps2194 said:
Again, there are numerous examples in the recruiting thread.
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I looked but it's the same as here. Bad attitude, lazy etc. no specifics then some rumors no one can make their mind up about and various Powell people calling this or that out as false or 'no. this what happened.'
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
The most overused word in the English language today...BULLYING...good grief
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"Listen, a boy said something to my daughter on the bus this morning. This bullying has gone on long enough, and I know the policy on bullying; it's zero tolerance. If you don't fix it, I'm getting a lawyer!!!. Also, I need the number to the school board!" True story

LMAO, like the school board is a place.
 
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UTProf said:
I looked but it's the same as here. Bad attitude, lazy etc. no specifics then some rumors no one can make their mind up about and various Powell people calling this or that out as false or 'no. this what happened.'
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You can look at mine and I gave specific examples.
 
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peerless98 said:
This might help a little:

Edit:can't get link to post. Simply google it (247 sports).
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This makes it sound like the Powell coach doesn't like the mentor and that's not Middleton's problem, imo. Two adults getting into p!ssing match over who tells the kid what to do is an issue for the two adults work out.

There are currently rumors of very heated exchanges between the Powell head coach and the UT assigned mentor for Middleton. This is not to be a season long suspension, but Middleton will not be with the team during the high school Jamboree on Thursday night and potentially could miss the season opener against Fulton.

I personally did not know that colleges assigned to mentor to commitments, though this appears to be a hugely great idea in order to help recruits maintain focus on what is necessary to continue on to the next level. Hopefully Middleton's mentor realizes arguing with the coach will never work and starts providing Darel with good advice and direction. I would hate to see a kids college career be ruined in his sophmore year of high school because his mentor is failing him.
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Sounds like good ole fashioned politics to me. One coach bristling at someone stepping into their pond the way various Law Enforcement Agencies bristle over who controls x jurisdiction - even simply not liking the other being there whether they are there as an observer or as an active participant.
 
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UTProf said:
This makes it sound like the Powell coach doesn't like the mentor and that's not Middleton's problem, imo. Two adults getting into p!ssing match over who tells the kid what to do is an issue for the two adults work out.



Sounds like good ole fashioned politics to me. One coach bristling at someone stepping into their pond the way various Law Enforcement Agencies bristle over who controls x jurisdiction - even simply not liking the other being there whether they are there as an observer or as an active participant.
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Come on, Prof, that's all you found? 247 is just one thing on the google. I'm not going to serve it up just to turn around and get blasted for posting it. Dozens of people were at practice to see his confrontations with coaches. Also, he didn't have a great last few days at the school. That's all I'm saying on the subject. I hope he straightens up and is a productive member of society. Being a productive Vol would be great as well; however, as of now, it does not look probable.
 
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UTProf said:
How so? What did they do to help? And what exactly was the problem to begin with? So far I haven't seen anything other than 'bad attitude' and 'lazy' and while that might sound like all there needs to be said to you. It really doesn't make any sense to someone outside of the Powell community. It's like we're all supposed to just know and nod our heads and maybe we would if we were from Powell but we're not.

Kids have bad attitudes all the time and plenty of kids are judged as 'lazy' by adults. They even get into trouble, mouth off, and throw fits. That's pretty normal teen behavior. What makes him so special? Or rather why is his case so bad?
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You make it sound like all teenagers are like this, but they all aren't like this. Most of the young men we have committed hardly ever get into trouble. They may have an episode of stupidity. This kid made Terrell Owens look like a choir boy. He'd talk down to his coaches, storm off the field like a baby, and other stuff you can read in his thread in the recruiting forum. It happened every week basically.

The whole community actually tried to reach out to him, but he always rebelled against it. I knew people like Darel in HS, they can turn it around but it won't be until he realizes he can't be a jackass.
 
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