2016 NBA Draft

#27
#27
Remember when Minnesota picked Marco Rubio and Johnny Flynn instead of Steph Curry. Good times. Reminds me when the Hawks picked Marvin Williams instead of Chris Paul.

Edit: Ricky Rubio
 
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#28
zjcvols said:
Completely disagree. That athleticism, ball handling, passing, and low post game he's basically Blake Griffin 2.0
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The same Blake Griffin that is a complimentary piece to a team that can't even make the conference finals, the same Blake Griffin who's team played significantly better without him this season?

We will see what his low post game looks like when he isnt guarded by 6'5" college players.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Neither are a lot of good players. Like the reIgning back to back MVP. Sometimes skill is better than athleticism.
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Steph is a better athlete than hes given credit for. Sure hes not going to throw down an amazing dunk but his change of direction, burst and hand eye cordination are elite.
 
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#32
n_huffhines said:
Just focusing on college players that are getting top 15 talk...

Simmons, Sabonis, B Johnson, and Valentine are the only guys I feel confident about. I like Hield outside of his passing. I think B Ingram, J Murray, Poeltl, and D Davis have good potential.

I don't like Jaylen Brown, Labissiere, outside his D I don't like Kris Dunn, Marquese Chriss is unproven, Ellenson is unproven.
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I think it's going to go like this:

1. 76ers- Brandon Ingram(Duke)
2. Lakers- Ben Simmons(LSU)
3. Celtics- Jamal Murray(UK) or Boston trades pick
4. Suns- Jaylon Brown(Cal)
5. TWolves- Dragan Bender(Croatia)
6. Pelicans- Buddy Hield(Oklahoma)
7. Nuggets- Kris Dunn(Providence)
8. Kings- Marquese Chriss(Washington)
9. Raptors- Timothe Luwawu(France)
10. Bucks- Jakob Poeltl(Utah)
11. Magic- Denzel Valentine(MSU)
12. Jazz- Henry Ellenson(Marquette)
13. Suns- Deyonta Davis(MSU)
14. Bulls- Domontas Sabonis(Gonzaga)
15. Nuggets- Taurean Prince(Baylor)

I really don't know how many future stars we have in this draft. Not many I will say. Ben Simmons has the most talent but unless he develops a jump shot he will never be a star/superstar.

Brandon Ingram can already shoot the ball. He has the all around game. He just needs to put on some weight. I still don't think he will ever develop into anything better than an All-Star or semi-star type player.

Jamal Murray from UK can shoot the ball no doubt. But, he has too many other weaknesses. He's a decent passer. Decent rebounder. Again, never will be a star/superstar in this NBA but could be a steady performer.

Jaylon Brown is probably 2nd behind Simmons as far as talent goes. He is a beast on the boards. He can defend. He can pass. He's just a turnover waiting to happen though. He forces a lot of shots. He's not consistent at all. If he gets his complete game together he might end up being the 2nd best player from this draft.

Buddy Hield is no doubt the best shooter in the draft. He can also pass the ball. He's a decent rebounder. He lacks on defense even though he's shown flashes that he can play defense. He could end up being a 3pt maker under the likes of Steph Curry.

He has deep range close to what Curry can pull up & drain them. He's just not as smooth as Curry. Hield has the chance to be a really good player in this league for a long time. I could see 15-20 pts/game for him easily year after year starting after his rookie season.
 
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GahLee said:
Steph is a better athlete than hes given credit for. Sure hes not going to throw down an amazing dunk but his change of direction, burst and hand eye cordination are elite.
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Steph has quick feet and an amazing handle. His handle was not that great when he got drafted...scouts weren't sure he could bring the ball up the court. His feet are quicker now because he worked on them. He didn't have NBA athleticism and that's why he fell to 7th (in a fairly weak draft) despite having unbelievable stats and performances in college. IIRC, he was projected at like 11 and GS surprised people.

Denzel Valentine is a significantly better rebounder as a guard than Jaylen Brown (SF), B Ingram (F), M Chriss (PF), and Labissiere (F/C) who are projected to be high picks. He's got Lance Stephenson type athleticism. Their college physical/hustle stats are nearly identical, but DV is the better rebounder and has 10 lbs on him.

I think it's OK if you don't have great athleticism going into the draft. It just means somebody is going to get a bargain while the guys in front of them win big or lose big because they drafted on potential instead of skill.
 
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#36
Steph's quickness is more a product of his shot release than his footwork
 
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#37
apevol said:
Steph's quickness is more a product of his shot release than his footwork
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I would say it's more about his footwork and shot release than his athleticism. Dude has put so much work into perfecting those details of his game. His footwork and positioning is so good that he can beat a guy like Durant to the hoop, even with Durant's incredible recovery length.

Whether it's due to athleticism or hard work, he does have fast feet. He plays the passing lanes as well as anybody.
 
#38
#38
I hope my sixers take Simmons and don't over think things.... He has the potential to be an absolute monster.
 
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#40
76ers might end up trading for another top pick. Maybe a center or two to add a shooter/guard with whomever they take at 1.
 
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GahLee said:
Bad year to get the number one pick.
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Why do you say that? The 76ers would take anyone to upgrade that team. I still think Ingram has the higher ceiling than Simmons. Simmons can't shoot a lick. Maybe he will develop an outside shot but he doesn't have one right now.

Ingram can already shoot the ball from the outside & shoots it pretty well. He shot just over 41% from 3pt range this past season at Duke. Both are very athletic players. I would just prefer Ingram over Simmons.
 
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tonybologna said:
Why do you say that? The 76ers would take anyone to upgrade that team. I still think Ingram has the higher ceiling than Simmons. Simmons can't shoot a lick. Maybe he will develop an outside shot but he doesn't have one right now.

Ingram can already shoot the ball from the outside & shoots it pretty well. He shot just over 41% from 3pt range this past season at Duke. Both are very athletic players. I would just prefer Ingram over Simmons.
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You would need to definitely surround Simmons with shooters. That is the only concern about his style. Ingram can fit in with most personnel with his skills.
 
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LittleCat said:
You would need to definitely surround Simmons with shooters. That is the only concern about his style. Ingram can fit in with most personnel with his skills.
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This is why I think Ingram has a higher floor, but I'd still take Simmons at #1 easily.
 
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#44
VKAman said:
This is why I think Ingram has a higher floor, but I'd still take Simmons at #1 easily.
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He has to develop a jumpshot, doesnt need to be beyond 15 feet but he has to be willing to take that shot and make it. Teams will sag off of him like they did Blake for so many years. His defensive effort will have to improve greatly.

I love the idea of him playing the 5 on a team that can effectively run small ball, he is fully capable of doing what Draymond does when he gets a rebound, LA would be a much better fit, 76ers have a sloth at the 5 in Okafor and Simmons has a ton of work to do to be a good half court player.
 
#45
#45
LittleCat said:
You would need to definitely surround Simmons with shooters. That is the only concern about his style. Ingram can fit in with most personnel with his skills.
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He cant play off the ball is another huge concern. He isnt a good post player or shooter. He will be able to to board and run the break immeadiately, he should flourish there but teams already know how to negate him almost entirely in half court sets.

Ingram will be a nightmare on the wing, legit 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan. He also has good footwork and has high ball skills like a guard. Pretty sure he was a very late bloomer, one of those guys that grew like 7 inches in a year, so it will be interesting to see if his body fills out to match his frame, he is also 14 months younger than Simmons.
 
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GahLee said:
Bad year to get the number one pick.
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I disagree.... I think Ben Simmons will develop into a prize this year.... If he hadn't went to an absolute horrible coach like Jones then I don't think this would even be in question. He has elite level skills in every area besides his shot and I feel that he will develop his that to be a pretty complete player.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I disagree.... I think Ben Simmons will develop into a prize this year.... If he hadn't went to an absolute horrible coach like Jones then I don't think this would even be in question. He has elite level skills in every area besides his shot and I feel that he will develop his that to be a pretty complete player.
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He couldnt shoot prior to LSU, nothing changed during his one year there. People also take stock in the fact that a guy touted to have generational talent couldnt even lead his team to the ncaa tournament.

Im not saying he isnt any good but he may be a few seasons off from being the type of player youd expect a numver one pick to be.
 
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GahLee said:
He couldnt shoot prior to LSU, nothing changed during his one year there. People also take stock in the fact that a guy touted to have generational talent couldnt even lead his team to the ncaa tournament.

Im not saying he isnt any good but he may be a few seasons off from being the type of player youd expect a numver one pick to be.
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He also had Johnny jones as his head coach........ The guy averaged almost 20 ppg almost 12 rpg and almost 5 APG.... He played on a team that had five double figures scorers and jones still couldn't get them to the tourney.

His shooting will have to improve to be a superstar player but I feel he can already be an all star with the skills he has now. He shot 67% from the line so it's not like his shot is completely broken. It will be the main thing the sixers will be working on when they hopefully draft him.
 
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GahLee said:
He cant play off the ball is another huge concern. He isnt a good post player or shooter. He will be able to to board and run the break immeadiately, he should flourish there but teams already know how to negate him almost entirely in half court sets.

Ingram will be a nightmare on the wing, legit 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan. He also has good footwork and has high ball skills like a guard. Pretty sure he was a very late bloomer, one of those guys that grew like 7 inches in a year, so it will be interesting to see if his body fills out to match his frame, he is also 14 months younger than Simmons.
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That's the thing. You almost have to run your offense through him, which will probably work fine, but if it doesn't, he's not really helping you. Ingram is going to be at least a good role player almost no matter what.
 
#50
#50
I'm really not worried about the NCAA Tournament thing though. I don't think it's all that telling when his coach was that awful. Simmons is still one of the best young college players I've ever seen.
 
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