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n_huffhines said:
POTUS is in charge of international relations, so he, or someone on his behalf would be the one to do the apologizing. Regardless of whether or not you are the offending party, you can still feel sorry for the actions of your fellow Americans. An apology is an indication that you won't do it again, and for nations to get along, that's an important element of the relationship. Should we apologize to Mexico for something from the 19th century? I don't care. Should we apologize for the bombing of the Doctors Without Borders facility? Of course.
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I get where you are coming from. I think it's an OK argument in terms of countries but the whole 'apologizing for the past' thing irks me. Black people on facebook constantly write about how I, as a white person, should apologize for slavery. I had about as much to do with slavery as Casper the bloody ghost.
 
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n_huffhines said:
POTUS is in charge of international relations, so he, or someone on his behalf would be the one to do the apologizing. Regardless of whether or not you are the offending party, you can still feel sorry for the actions of your fellow Americans. An apology is an indication that you won't do it again, and for nations to get along, that's an important element of the relationship. Should we apologize to Mexico for something from the 19th century? I don't care. Should we apologize for the bombing of the Doctors Without Borders facility? Of course.
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So where's you limit on when we should stop apologizing?
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think each misdeed needs to be judged on its own merits, whether you are talking about your own personal life, or diplomatic relations.
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And this is where we'll agree to disagree. Because the definition of "misdeed" will be so varied it cannot be objectively applied.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And this is where we'll agree to disagree. Because the definition of "misdeed" will be so varied it cannot be objectively applied.
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What? So no apologies ever? What exactly are you disagreeing with?

Everything a POTUS does with regard to foreign policy has an element of subjectivity to it. I don't get your point.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What? So no apologies ever? What exactly are you disagreeing with?

Everything a POTUS does with regard to foreign policy has an element of subjectivity to it. I don't get your point.
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I didn't say no apologies ever. However, I'll cite one case where you and I are polar opposites:

World War II and the atomic bombings.

You likely believe this was a "misdeed." I'll categorize it as a military necessity. Hence, we'll have to agree to disagree since defining "misdeed" is entirely subjective in nature.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I didn't say no apologies ever. However, I'll cite one case where you and I are polar opposites:

World War II and the atomic bombings.

You likely believe this was a "misdeed." I'll categorize it as a military necessity. Hence, we'll have to agree to disagree since defining "misdeed" is entirely subjective in nature.
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I still don't know what you're disagreeing with. I am saying each misdeed needs to be evaluated on its own merits to determine if an apology is necessary or will help relations.

You are now saying we can't agree on what "misdeed" means, so...what? What are you saying? Nothing should be evaluated? Who cares what we label the event, the point is we need to assess and react appropriately. Not sure how you can disagree with that.
 
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Barking like a dog..now coughing like a diseased old codger and sipping so much water it would make Rubio blush..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C12ZvOJNfs[/youtube]
 
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n_huffhines said:
I still don't know what you're disagreeing with. I am saying each misdeed needs to be evaluated on its own merits to determine if an apology is necessary or will help relations.

You are now saying we can't agree on what "misdeed" means, so...what? What are you saying? Nothing should be evaluated? Who cares what we label the event, the point is we need to assess and react appropriately. Not sure how you can disagree with that.
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Now saying? You act like this is a sudden change of course in the argument. I stated that from the beginning that "misdeed" is very subjective.

It does matter, significantly matter, what label the incident has on it. Because, again, subjectivity means some will have serious doubts as to the "misdeeds" in question. Take the 2009 visit with the Russians in which Hillary hit the "reset" button and withdrew the missile defense shield that was planned for that location. That can be subjectively an "apology" for placing defenses that keep Americans safe that close to Russia. A "misdeed" of Bush 43 if you will.

How's that working out?

You are correct that each and every decision has subjectivity to it. And yet getting people to agree on the definition of "misdeed" is what's at heart.
 
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alexmanu said:
I mean you're saying a good country should apologize for its mistakes. But is a country a person? Who is actually doing the apologizing? Likely someone who had nothing to do with what the country will apologize for, and whose ancestors were, at most, on the periphery of the events for which he/she is apologizing. People make mistakes, not countries. A percentage of German people made a mistake in allowing Hitler's rise to power but should their completely innocent ancestors apologize for something they had nothing to do with?
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That's why a President makes the apology on behalf of the country.
 
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I don't know why anyone with a balanced view of the world would go out and vote for Trump. I mean I agree with parts of his foreign policy but do I really think someone with Trump's attitude and temperament could effectively enact his policies? Hell no! Vote with your head, not your man parts. Rubio and Kasich are the smart choices in the election. If you care most about balancing the budget, vote Kasich. If you want an electable conservative that is more of a foreign policy hawk, vote Rubio. It's a pretty simple choice.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Your parents should apologize to all of us
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And yours should have taught you how to respect other people and their opinions whether you agree with them or not. It shows your maturity and intellect level that instead of having a real and meaningful debate you instead insult and degrade other people on an anonymous message board. You're a real badass, aren't you?
 
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alexmanu said:
I don't know why anyone with a balanced view of the world would go out and vote for Trump. I mean I agree with parts of his foreign policy but do I really think someone with Trump's attitude and temperament could effectively enact his policies? Hell no! Vote with your head, not your man parts. Rubio and Kasich are the smart choices in the election. If you care most about balancing the budget, vote Kasich. If you want an electable conservative that is more of a foreign policy hawk, vote Rubio. It's a pretty simple choice.
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Some of them have been convinced that illegal immigration is the primary issue facing this country. Others want a president who makes them feel proud to be American and isn't ashamed to say it. And others are stuck in a rut and no longer believe Washington can fix it. Then there are the ones who just like the memes.
 
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bnhunt said:
And yours should have taught you how to respect other people and their opinions whether you agree with them or not. It shows your maturity and intellect level that instead of having a real and meaningful debate you instead insult and degrade other people on an anonymous message board. You're a real badass, aren't you?
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So what does that make you when you start labeling all gun owners the way you have in the other thread?

Man, what an intellectually mature badazz you must be.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So what does that make you when you start labeling all gun owners the way you have in the other thread?

Man, what an intellectually mature badazz you must be.
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Well, he does have a doctorate. And he apparently pays more tax than any of us so there's that.
 
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