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Vol8188 said:
If we allow the government to determine what weapons we can and should have; how do we protect ourselves from the government?
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I don't think we can protect ourselves as it is. It's the delusion of safety, much like seat belts on a plane I guess. There's is no way I could protect myself from the government if they really wanted to get me. No. Way.
 
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mrorange211 said:
I don't think we can protect ourselves as it is. It's the delusion of safety, much like seat belts on a plane I guess. There's is no way I could protect myself from the government if they really wanted to get me. No. Way.
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That's a problem. It's something we should change. When the government has more power than the people, you end up with tyranny
 
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Sorry. had to teach about the Homestead strike for a minute.

I don't disagree, but I also don't feel like I am living in a tyrannical government, and I also believe it would be almost impossible for one to be established. I believe that in large part because of our many independent new agencies that report whatever gets them views, with no hesitancy, especially so, when it comes to the govt. Therefore, establishing a tyrannt would be incredibly difficult, and ultimately why someone like Trump will not win. Now, once freedom of press is curtailed majorly by government influence, that's when I will be scared. Otherwise, I believe it just makes common sense for the govt to institute some common sense gun laws to help (hopefully) curb some violence in the streets. While I wholeheartedly support Rand, and have even contributed to his campaign financially, this is where we disagree. But even in that disagreement, I understand his position and can see the logic in it.
 
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mrorange211 said:
This was really good Huff. Thanks for sharing. The party has long been hijacked by the ideologues and racist that are only exemplified by some of the fine posters you will find in this thread.
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In your other words Hicks have hijacked the party? Amiright?
 
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mrorange211 said:
Sorry. had to teach about the Homestead strike for a minute.

I don't disagree, but I also don't feel like I am living in a tyrannical government, and I also believe it would be almost impossible for one to be established. I believe that in large part because of our many independent new agencies that report whatever gets them views, with no hesitancy, especially so, when it comes to the govt. Therefore, establishing a tyrannt would be incredibly difficult, and ultimately why someone like Trump will not win. Now, once freedom of press is curtailed majorly by government influence, that's when I will be scared. Otherwise, I believe it just makes common sense for the govt to institute some common sense gun laws to help (hopefully) curb some violence in the streets. While I wholeheartedly support Rand, and have even contributed to his campaign financially, this is where we disagree. But even in that disagreement, I understand his position and can see the logic in it.
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You have far more confidence in the media than I do
 
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volfanjustin said:
Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal and Ben Carson are all racist
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Never mentioned race. Prime example of the assumptions made on this board made deliberately & consistently to derail a thread to the "republicans are awesome" "libtards are satan" debate to those simply trying to have a conversation. I expect nothing less every time I post, but I still continue to post because I do value some of the members and their opinions. You are not one of them.

Vol8188 said:
You have far more confidence in the media than I do
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I have confidence in the media to publish a story for monetary purposes, which means finding the story in the worst places, specifically debauchery and thievery in the US govt. The SS scandal for example; no hesitancy there to use that story at all.

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What limits do we have on the 1st? Can't yell fire in a theater?
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It's called the internet. Do your own research.
 
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Barry Goldwater lamented that the GOP was being taken over by the religious right, and he was completely correct. It helped win elections a few decades ago but in this era of shifting demographics it has locked the party into a no-win situation as conservatism has become synonymous with moral superiority in the name of religion. They either lose at least some of the reliable voting bloc of evangelicals or keep them at the expense of attracting new voters.

Trump is the first time in a while we've seen a populist movement gain so much steam in the GOP. He has no political principles whatsoever, and is probably the most liberal candidate on the GOP side on most issues, but he has found popularity because people are sick of the status quo and really don't like how traditional America has come under fire. It's kind of a watershed moment, but I think things may get worse before they get better. The party just has no unifying vision and anyone who deviates from the alpha "true conservative" prototype even by a little is mocked and derided. Imagine if Reagan ran today - Trump supporters would be calling him an establishment stooge.
 
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UTCVol said:
Barry Goldwater lamented that the GOP was being taken over by the religious right, and he was completely correct. It helped win elections a few decades ago but in this era of shifting demographics it has locked the party into a no-win situation as conservatism has become synonymous with moral superiority in the name of religion. They either lose at least some of the reliable voting bloc of evangelicals or keep them at the expense of attracting new voters.

Trump is the first time in a while we've seen a populist movement gain so much steam in the GOP. He has no political principles whatsoever, and is probably the most liberal candidate on the GOP side on most issues, but he has found popularity because people are sick of the status quo and really don't like how traditional America has come under fire. It's kind of a watershed moment, but I think things may get worse before they get better. The party just has no unifying vision and anyone who deviates from the alpha "true conservative" prototype even by a little is mocked and derided. Imagine if Reagan ran today - Trump supporters would be calling him an establishment stooge.
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There is way more diversity of thoughts/beliefs in the R party than there is in the far left socialist party we call democrats. JFK would not be allowed in todays democrat party
 
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What's crazy is that hispanics are actually a very conservative people. Hispanics in Florida is what won Bush the election in 2000. It's just insane because this is the new demographic the Reps should try their best to appeal to the most; it wouldn't even be that hard. It's almost like the Reps are trying to do exactly what will guarantee them a loss in Nov and every other foreseeable presidential election in the future.
 
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volfanjustin said:
There is way more diversity of thoughts/beliefs in the R party than there is in the far left socialist party we call democrats. JFK would not be allowed in todays democrat party
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I agree. That's the problem when a party is a coalition of many disparate groups - to many people it appears as if the GOP has no ideals other than to oppose the Dems at all costs. There's too much infighting and many factions are marginalized.
 
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mrorange211 said:
What's crazy is that hispanics are actually a very conservative people. Hispanics in Florida is what won Bush the election in 2000. It's just insane because this is the new demographic the Reps should try their best to appeal to the most; it wouldn't even be that hard. It's almost like the Reps are trying to do exactly what will guarantee them a loss in Nov and every other foreseeable presidential election in the future.
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The base is trying to cling to traditional white America and the Trump populist movement is a last-ditch effort.
 
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Interesting ARG poll out of NH:

Trump: 27
Kasich: 20
Rubio: 10
Cruz: 9
Christie: 9
Bush: 8
Paul: 5

If Kasich is beating him by that wide of a margin in NH, Christie has no chance. Rubio in serious trouble as well.
 
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mrorange211 said:
Dropouts after NH and Iowa? Christie, Bush, Paul, Fiorina, Huckabee, Santorum, Kasich?
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Huckabee and Santorum after Iowa. Paul won't win but I think he'll put up a decent showing in Iowa. The others are performing better in NH so they'll probably see how that primary goes first.
 
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mrorange211 said:
What's crazy is that hispanics are actually a very conservative people. Hispanics in Florida is what won Bush the election in 2000. It's just insane because this is the new demographic the Reps should try their best to appeal to the most; it wouldn't even be that hard. It's almost like the Reps are trying to do exactly what will guarantee them a loss in Nov and every other foreseeable presidential election in the future.
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One of the biggest lies in American politics today is the notion that being against illegal immigration is the same thing as being xenophobic against all Hispanics.
 
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MG1968 said:
One of the biggest lies in American politics today is the notion that being against illegal immigration is the same thing as being xenophobic against all Hispanics.
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I do not disagree with this assessment, but the perception has been established and at this point that's exactly what the Democrats had hoped would occur. Dems go to sleep every night thanking whatever it is they believe in for Trump because he has played perfectly into their party's hands.
 
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