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carlos86 said:
While we are talking about Carson. He has another scandal to deal with. And this one is the worst of them all. Carson looks to have been making money of of his friends medical malpractice. Between $200,000 to $2 million a year.

Carson Stands by '''Best Friend''' Who Committed Health Care Fraud - NBC News
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Sheez, this guy is a huckster, "our value systems are exactly the same". Really Ben?

Maybe I was overly generous by labeling him an idiot savant. This one will make the grain silos of the Sinai look like reasoned thought.

When Trump is calling you pathaological, ya dun fuq'd up.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Correct. The millions of people who support what he stands for should be given no consideration. Screw them. They should have to throw their support to an establishment Republican who doesn't give a rat's ass what they want.
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If you think Trump gives a rat's ass about anything you want, you're unfathomably gullible. Dude only cares about promoting Trump.
 
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MercyPercy said:
If you think Trump gives a rat's ass about anything you want, you're unfathomably gullible. Dude only cares about promoting Trump.
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The only thing Trump cares about is Trump and sometimes I don't think he cares about how stupid he makes himself look. He refuses to even study anything on foreign policy and it shows. All he has to do is google the reading list for officers that attend the War College and that would help him alot.
 
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carlos86 said:
LMAO!!!! Trump just called Carson a child molester.
Trump says Carson’s ‘pathological’ issues similar to those of a child molester
https://t.co/Gb23CtS0aM
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Vol8188 said:
Lol I see the majority of the Republican Party is still running on the:

"Hey we suck, but we're not Obama" platform
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Not a republican, but if everyone is going to try and nitpick everything you have ever said and done. It would behoove you to point out the clown in the White House currently is the absolute worst president we have had in close to a century.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Not a republican, but if everyone is going to try and nitpick everything you have ever said and done. It would behoove you to point out the clown in the White House currently is the absolute worst president we have had in close to a century.
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Jxn Vol said:
Not a republican, but if everyone is going to try and nitpick everything you have ever said and done. It would behoove you to point out the clown in the White House currently is the absolute worst president we have had in close to a century.
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There is no way you can responsibly say such a thing until years down the road. Truman had a 18% approval rating when he left office, but I sure am glad he fired MacArthur aren't you? Context man. I'm not saying is awesome, but it was just as irresponsible for liberals to say W was the worst president ever in 2008.
 
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mrorange211 said:
There is no way you can responsibly say such a thing until years down the road. Truman had a 18% approval rating when he left office, but I sure am glad he fired MacArthur aren't you? Context man. I'm not saying is awesome, but it was just as irresponsible for liberals to say W was the worst president ever in 2008.
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Firing McArthur was a horrible mistake on Trumans part.
 
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Obsessed said:
Carson has a huge following. Lots of support. More so than trump.

I like them both. I respect them both for their accomplishments.

Rand/ Cruz. I want the irs abolished.
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I want the IRS gone too. Way too much money involved for lawyers though to get rid of it. It ain't going anywhere.
 
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mrorange211 said:
There is no way you can responsibly say such a thing until years down the road. Truman had a 18% approval rating when he left office, but I sure am glad he fired MacArthur aren't you? Context man. I'm not saying is awesome, but it was just as irresponsible for liberals to say W was the worst president ever in 2008.
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There is truth to what you say, we get more of a view over time, but we also forget over time. Opinions change over time in large part because attitudes change, not necessarily because we got new insight into Truman's presidency. People were pissed when he nationalized steel. Over time they forgot about that, and just remembered how cool it felt to win WWII.

I have no problem judging Obama and W to be 2 of our worst presidents ever. We don't need time to see how much they added to the national debt.
 
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hog88 said:
It was. It emboldened the Chinese and cost 10s of thousands American lives.

McArthur was right in wanting to destroy the Red Army before they crossed the border. Everyone but Truman knew what was coming.
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He wanted to drop atomic bombs on China for a preemptive attack. There is no way you can argue this to me. Truman tells him no, MacArthur says Turman=Chamberlain, so Truman fires him. It was the right thing to do and saved us from WWIII.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There is truth to what you say, we get more of a view over time, but we also forget over time. Opinions change over time in large part because attitudes change, not necessarily because we got new insight into Truman's presidency. People were pissed when he nationalized steel. Over time they forgot about that, and just remembered how cool it felt to win WWII.

I have no problem judging Obama and W to be 2 of our worst presidents ever. We don't need time to see how much they added to the national debt.
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We have been down this road before. I understand where you are coming from and see the validity in it. I come from more of a history perspective.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What does this even mean? Not sure what road we have been down.
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We've had this discussion on at least two different occasions. It means that I tend to view things like the Obama presidency through a historical viewpoint because I was trained as such for more than 6 years. But once again, I understand your point about losing something in time, but I was specifically trained not to view it that way. Thus, my view tends to be somewhat different, and, consequently, I see world events from a more historical perspective. Clear?
 
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mrorange211 said:
We've had this discussion on at least two different occasions. It means that I tend to view things like the Obama presidency through a historical viewpoint because I was trained as such for more than 6 years. But once again, I understand your point about losing something in time, but I was specifically trained not to view it that way. Thus, my view tends to be somewhat different, and, consequently, I see world events from a more historical perspective. Clear?
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It's not really clear. This gives context to my objection:

mrorange211 said:
There is no way you can responsibly say such a thing until years down the road. Truman had a 18% approval rating when he left office, but I sure am glad he fired MacArthur aren't you? Context man. I'm not saying is awesome, but it was just as irresponsible for liberals to say W was the worst president ever in 2008.
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I am saying you can responsibly say this, because we know how much debt he's added and how many promises he failed to keep (the promises that won him a Nobel prize). Now you are saying, "well, you can say that responsibly, but not if you look at it like historians do."? Or are you still saying you can't responsibly say that?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Now you are saying, "well, you can say that responsibly, but not if you look at it like historians do."? Or are you still saying you can't responsibly say that?
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This is a tough question because the data at hand is objective. So, that being said, I think reporting certain quantitative data can be shown as a negative against a president in a certain specific incidence, even soon thereafter his presidency since it is black/white. When I say people can't say certain things about Obama like he is the worst president ever, I mean that it is not responsible to characterize him that way yet, because we don't really know which of his policies will or will not work, etc. However, if you were to say Obama is a liar because the data shows this, this, and this, when he actually said this, this, and this I don't necessarily think that's irresponsible because it is an objective observation.
 
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